Do you think the education system is used to keep people down?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by letsmokeasweet, Sep 27, 2014.

  1. Well thank you sir and the best of luck to you coming back to reality.
     
  2. #42 *ColtClassic*, Sep 29, 2014
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    It's not the only purpose. But of course government schools, created by the government, would be obliged to indoctrinate people into believing that government is necessary and virtuous.
     
    It is an obvious conflict of interest.
     
    Citizens have money taken from them via taxation, then some of that money is redirected into an institution where children are forced to be there 40 hours a week to develop a worldview and perception of their surroundings while their parent(s) are away working. Obviously there is no incentive to develop a curriculum which discredits or makes their source of funding seem illegitimate.
     
    Think about it. The state is directing funds towards forced education - would they really want to develop any kind of institution other than that which praises themselves and hides their evils?
     
  3. I live in Canada and went to public high school and I never got any kind of impression that they were telling me the government was great and could do no wrong. Many of my teachers criticized government policies.
     
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    That is good. Still, there is very little potential for dissent.
     
  5. Well I tend to agree with you that it's an issue and a conflict of interest I don't believe there is a better alternative. I don't believe in mandatory education but I do believe all people should have the opportunity to receive education if they desire it. I agree that a lot of books are misleading when you are younger but what else are you gonna tell kids. When I was young I was told the same shit. Government is good and thanksgiving is all about celebrating peace with the Indians and all that other bullshit because most kids honestly can't handle the truth at such an immature age. Myself, I think like most people then learned about all these things such as government atrocities and shitty wars in high school where I was mature enough to handle the information. I'm sure there are teachers who do this bullshit, but I would bet a bulk of teachers aren't pushing a pro government anti corporation agenda, which is what you seem to be implying. Even if that is the case it is the responsibility of the parents to educate their children in addition to school, like my parents did.to make sure they always question and think critically about what they hear instead of just absorbing it. The point is that public education is making the best of a bad situation and has obvious issues, but definitely has way more benefits than cons. I have no qualms with private education, as long as their is a public option available in addition.
     
  6. #46 *ColtClassic*, Sep 29, 2014
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    What I'm implying is that the de facto nature of schooling is pro-government.
     
    A teacher or body of teachers don't have to be 'pro government' because that is simply the norm.
     
    I'm not claiming that teachers are saying they love the IRS and that they go to the DMV every week as a way of having fun, but there certainly exists an apparatus by which people can be assimilated towards government rule as a de facto means of education.
     
    Just remember what you learned in sociology class or government class. They don't teach the true political spectrum, they don't explain the real prevalence of sociopathy in society, they don't explain how money or the central banking system really works, they don't explain any possible alternatives to taxation (economic enslavement), etc.
     
    So there is no identifiable, conscious conspiracy, but public education is surely geared towards molding the public's perception and establishing cognitive limitations.
     
    I'm not trying to say "education is evil", I'm just saying "The government is inherently immoral and steals our money to force our kids to go to schools which have no incentive to explain the true nature of the system.".
     
    I hope that makes sense.
     
  7. if you think the education system is neutral, try not standing during the national anthem ...
     
  8. They should have focused more on paragraphs

    Make more than 1.

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  9. Honestly school is torture. Having to sit through so many years of that shit you're not interested in, I would never do that to my child that I will never have.
     
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    I agree. It robs kids of productive childhood years and acclimates them towards mindlessness.
     
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    It's all in the mind of the particular person, I wouldn't say it makes them mindless... but I thought America was supposed to be a free country, free unless you don't want to send your kid to school for 75% of his/her childhood?
     
  12. Yea that is so true. A lot of it DOES come from the child's mindset and the child's effort.
     
  13. Thank you for the encouraging words....I'm going to do something....right now I have him in some Methodist church school.....I get such a beter vibe going to this place. When I went to the public school that is less then 5 mins away I left feeling terrible about sending my kid there.

    All of the workers attititudes, the teacher was an over whelmed bitch, the staff acted like I was in their way and they were to busy for me. They got school cops evverywhere. Couldn't answer half my questions without rushing me and pushing me though. So many things I can't bring or can't do......so yea fuck all that shit
     
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    Ehhh if you look at places where lots of kids don't get even a basic education I'd say there's lots of evidence that it's certainly a net benefit to kids even if it's not perfect, which it isn't.
     
  15. I have a coworker who is our cashier. When writing customer names on the ticket, she has spelled Jose "hosa" and destiny "destany"

    LOL. And when she was behind the like making food with us, she asked how to say like every other name, like she couldn't read at all.

    Some.of the names she couldn't say were standard white people names, not even foreign or anything

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    10% of Americans are functionally illiterate, apparently. That seems crazy to me.
     
  17. #57 Omega369, Sep 29, 2014
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    I have a feeling the school system is put in place with good intentions, but the wrong idea.

    You are right, school makes everyone the same. Lines you up to work for some blue collar/white collar job to keep the world running.

    We are basically taught "who ever can memorize facts the best, is the smartest" which isn't true at all.

    I failed everything in school, but excelled in photography with 110 percent in the class (course plus all 10 bonus projects). Funny how I'm somewhat enjoying my job and making more than the memorization robots who got an A in stuff like math, biology, etc who are now crunching numbers and entering data wearing a cheap suit and tie in their shitty office cubicle.

    I think school should be like this:
    270 days of trying out 270 different careers.

    Kid/kids tag along with a registered adult who is knowledgable about their field of work for the day.

    Kids are given a massive lists of careers and can choose 270 to try out.

    This will help them decide what career they hate and love, giving them real time experience in a field. By the time high school is over, you will then have 3,240 different careers you've tried out and can choose what you want to specialize in university. Beats only having 2-4 part time jobs during your school life, getting out and not know wtf you want to do in life.


    Omeguh
     
  18. This ^^^

    Its not a conspiracy. Socialism and liberal ideals spread themselves.

    Most of the problems with our education are stemmed in culture.

    Kids are literally trained to dislike hard work and study. I don't believe this is some Soviet plot. I think we just get spoiled over time and let these things accumulate

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  19. Good for you. Your child will be well prepared for adulthood, because all I do is fly around on unicorns and eat cake all day. None of that "uninteresting" stuff that teachers used to talk about.

    If only someone would have told me I didn't need to know any of that. Would've made my life so much easier, dammit.
     
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    Sure. I mean, everything exists upon a bell curve.
     
    So, while it helps some kids gain education they would otherwise not have access to, it holds others back greatly. Public education kind of 'flattens' or normalizes the bell curve of potential. I can't claim that it doesn't help people, I just don't believe in mandatory anything - forcing people to do anything is wrong, and doing it with stolen money is even worse.
     

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