Floridas Medical Marijuana, Is It A Crime Of Perjury...?

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  1. Florida's medical marijuana, is it a crime of perjury??


    First of all I would like to say I DON'T BELONG TO ANY POLITICAL PARTY
    NOR DO I SMOKE POT! Some members of my family could potentially benefit from medicinal marijuana… And last but not least I don't like the idea of "Goliath burning ants with a huge magnifying glass for PROFIT$$$"

    Furthermore, I would like for the participants that add on to this post to please keep it civil! There is no need to argue on, and on, because someone has a different opinion! The point is to add informative FACTS so VIEWERS and VOTERS can actually get informed and make EDUCATED DECISIONS when it's time to vote!

    Thanks for reading

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    Florida's medical marijuana is on the November 4 2014 ballot, polls estimate that 71% support and 29% oppose Amendment 2, and If you read online or look into the social media sites there is a general "hurray, finally, whoopee" attitude..

    But, do the voters really know what they are ACTUALLY VOTING ON?
    The answer is clear as water: NO THEY DON'T KNOW!

    If you live in Florida all you have to do is ask... Hey are you voting? Oh so you support "amendment 2" uh...? Then ask them: Why do you support it?

    Some will go on saying:

    1-It will be legal to medicate..
    2-I will be able to grow my own medicine and self-medicate.
    4-Crime rate will go down...
    5-The economy will grow in jobs as well as small business.....

    I asked a group of two couples walking down the South Beach strip and one of the gentleman was not as ill-informed as all the others I had approached before... that day, when I asked about "Amendment 2" he start shaking his head in a depressed manner and started to answer.

    “I'm voting yes because it's what's on the table… I have to take what's on the table while it's hot…”

    He was aware of the political/private war it has turn into but felt like there's nothing he can do…

    TO THOSE VOTERS I SHAKE MY HEAD! THAT'S JUST ANTI AMERICAN…

    Word of advice Floridian voters…
    When "politics" & "money" get together they are best of friends and keep a very small circle inside! Be careful what you wish for!
    I once heard a wise man say @[member="fearjar"] "if the voters want it bad you'll get it BAD!" Look at the fine print and their intentions will be obvious



    The charlets web "amendment2" Specific diseases "UMBRELLA"
    Cancer, glaucoma, HIV/AIDS, hepatitis C, ALS, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's disease and Crohn's disease are all specified OR (other debilitating conditions for which the doctor thinks "benefits of use would outweigh risk.) THAT'S ONE OF THE KICKERS

    Only five state-licensed dispensaries will be called "Medical Treatment Centers."
    "Growers" would be licensed as treatment centers. The Department of Health would issue rules about how dispensaries would be monitored. Growing your own pot would remain illegal, as it is under current law. (YOU WILL NOT GROW YOUR OWN MEDICINE)

    So...
    -you can't grow to self-medicate
    -you can't grow as caregiver for needy patients
    -you can't grow as a profit and/or be a part of aspect in mmj


    They been profiting for years on marijuana: cops, bondsmen, lawyers, courts, drug programs, probation officers, even the prison system!

    Florida had the third most total arrests for marijuana possession in 2010 (57,951)

    Miami-"Dade County" has the ninth most arrests for possession of marijuana of any county in the country! Putting people in prison turns a high profit it huge business "49.24 per day per bed". If the 57,951 arrested in 2010 spent just one day in jail, Miami Dade County “income” was $2,853,507


    But if this call it medicine there's more money in controlling and taxing it!
    That's where "politicians & money men" get together…

    The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God…
    They make the law.. We will vote… They will grow.. They will Sell... We will Buy...
    That's it fellas.

    I am no prophet nor a prophet's son but I can safely say both the ignorant & the lazy voters that vote yes on Nov 4 will be the first ones crying about how screwed up the law is and how they got shamed by the activist and politicians…

    VOTERS GET INFORMED GET INVOLVED!!!



    Here are some other articles (get informed, vote this one down, we can do better)

    By: ROGER STONE | Posted: January 29, 2014 3:55 AM
    http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/future-medical-marijuana-florida-john-morgans-secret-agenda

    May 9, 2014|By Scott Powers, Orlando Sentinel
    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2014-05-09/news/os-medical-marijuana-growers-monopoly-20140509_1_central-florida-medical-marijuana-florida-nursery

    William Costolo; May 7, 2014.
    http://guardianlv.com/2014/05/florida-medical-cannabis-poison-pill-legislation/
     
  2. I can truly understand why you got this message out to voters in Florida. It's because Floridians don't know how to vote. They screwed up 2 presidential elections.
     
  3. This seems like fear mongering more than anything.

    Is the amendment perfect? No.

    Will Florida get another chance if it fails? Not any time soon.

    Can the flaws of thr amendment be fixed in subsequent vote cycles? Yes.

    The biggest flaw of amendment 2, is that patients cannot grow their own. Which can be very easily fixed the next vote cycle. The only reason we don't have it now is because of Florida's single issue clause for amendments. It would not have been approved if it included growing.


    But now lets touch on what you conveniently ignored. That the system being voted on is one of the most lenient in the country, on par with the California's notoriously lax rules, which make it possible for almost anyone to get a medical card. The key is in the language and that language is (paraphrased) "medical marijuana can be prescribed for any condition, that a licensed medical doctor thinks the benefits outweigh potential harms" this is very significant, because in only two other states is this used, because they do not require a board to approve conditions (those states are California and Massachusetts). Florida does not require a board to approve conditions for Medical Marijuana reccomendations.

    So based on that alone, Florida is poised to have the 3rd best medical system in the country. The drawback being no personal grows (which can, and I believe will, be remedied). No protection for employees who use medical marijuana is a non issue when you consider not even legal states Colorado and Washington have employee protection (yet).


    And voting no, is not an option (and on top of that absurd, its just wild negativism reflecting the very detrimental all or nothing mindset so many people have, more on that in a bit). If Florida says no to amendment 2, our very, very backasswards politicians will have a field day "see? They didnt want it, Florida doesn't need pot" and that will murder our chances of getting another initiative. On that topic, amendment 2 is not political, it is a voter initiative, allowing we the people to bypass the politicians who refuse to act in the will of the people they are supposed to represent. And yet, the only reason amendment 2 made it is because John Morgan funded it out of his own pocket in 7figures. Without his high profile support, this would NEVER come to fruition. And I doubt he will fund another one if this fails. And Florida clearly doesnt have very many other high profile supporters of medical marijuana.

    Then there is the Charlotte's Web fiasco, which Scott only signed to stop people from voting on amendment 2, because the majority of voters has no clue CBD only strains only treat a very small number of diseases, and that THC is infact much more the medicine of interest in the plant (though they are both medicinal). The CW bill's only purpose was to keep people from approving amendment 2. What does that tell you about how our politicians feel about amendment 2? It should tell you they dont want it to pass. But how can that be, every medical bill is a part of their evil agenda to bastardize cannabis?!

    Now we come to that all or nothing attitude I mentioned. You people that think voting no on a bill just because it isnt defacto legalization hurt the cause of cannabis, not help it. You stomp, and scream, and cry that it isnt good enough. Guess what? You will NEVER get your way. The system is not built for quick change, it was specifically designed to be slow and clunky. Just like publiv opinion (although the system is much slower). You cannot jump from 77 years of prohibition to sweeping legalization. It has to be in steps. And that what these bills that all of your ilk rant and moan about are. Baby steps. If we did things with the all or nothing mentality, we wouldnt even have medical in 23 states plus the district of Columbia, and 2 recreational states.


    People like you, who think its not good enough to do it one step at a time, are part of the problem. Not the solution.
     
  4. Well, just call me "ignorant and lazy" as well as my other 5 family members who will vote YES on amendment 2.
     
    and as far as being a pro cannabis activist, I have been one for over 40 years....and even being "ignorant and lazy" I still have better sense than to take to heart what a person who has 1 post here has to say......and not think that it's not somehow politically or monetarily motivated.....
     
    So stick it, OP......
     
  5. FUCK FLORIDA LOL.. but in all seriousness lux is right
     
  6. And everyone knows that California sets the standard for MMJ in the USA.
     
  7. I liked OP's post because i like seeing people start an intelligent conversation that is informative. However, i gotta say i side with lux 100%.

    The fact that you can get marijuana with ANY medical condition that your doctor is cool with means all of us floridians that want it can get access to it. Thats pretty cool imo.

    Is the ammendment gonna make it so the wealthy make more $? Unfortunately yes, but I am afraid this is the best we're gonna get for now. Let medicinal marijuana be a part of our daily lives for a while, let the culture sink into florida. I am sure we will get an opportunity to allow people to grow their own plants quicker if this ammendment was passed than if it were turned down.
     
  8. Yes.

    And Florida's proposed system, as so far as who can get it, is heavily influenced by California's
     
  9. @ lux
    ImageUploadedByGrasscity Forum1410920029.717528.jpg I'll start from the top... We both agree bill is far from perfect...We both agree that if the bill doesn't pass this time in the future....near or far....
    WE WILL GET A SHOT AT IT AGAIN...

    Now this third one NOT SO MUCH...
    Quote: -Can the flaws of the amendment be fixed in subsequent vote cycles?
    Your answer is a plan simple -yes...

    Do you honestly think after all the capital and efforts from "privet” parties/investors/backers...
    will allow or lose any control to the voters because we would "like" to grow our own thus digging into their profits... your are in for a reality check... Do some research how many states have useless mmj laws that don't benefit "the people" they are screwed for lack of a better word...
    And FLORIDA multiply that times 10 with greedy rich folks that's what Florida will end up at...
    Time will absolve my thoughts if this passes

    Also in another part then you mention that if this doesn't pass "we will never get another shot" this is not Florida's first attempt we had one several years back remember?
    We will have a better one after this one!
    It's better to do things right the first time vs trying to fix a monopoly of medical marijuana
    This is not about “WE THE PEOPLE" like "John Morgan" said... Don't be naive
    John Morgan has put 4 mills and counting... There are others I will not mention but that I have PERSONALLY spoke to that have donated thousands of dollars on a steady monthly bases from "2009" till date... adding to hundreds of thousands!!
    Yes I'm TALKING ABOUT 2009 SÉANCE THE FIRST TIME WE TRIED TO LEGALIZE
    They have all been pushing under the table with intentions of securing there place at this future "feast"

    Further details you may not be aware of....
    John Morgan and Charlie Crist have history he host fundraiser for him and only god know how much he has contributed new flash The next governor will control the distribution scheme and John Morgan is betting that will be a grateful Charlie Crist, who will probably give him (or a client) a franchise, the profits of which would dwarf his personal-injury law firm.
    Perhaps this is why Morgan was willing to risk 4 million and counting in contributions

    You mentioned I conveniently ignored "this one of the most lenient laws in the country” and then continue talking as if it's a good thing...
    Like its ok for a 15 year old to skip school and go see a doctor to get weed like a pill mill type of deal?!?! And yes this does happen!! That's also a flaw and the worst part is it's in there for profit purposes "ONLY"
    No one can grow everyone can "medicate"
    CAN YOU SEE THE DEVILS IN THE DETAILS
    My personal opinion is I think it should be available to those in need and if it's going to be lax... for recreational use like wine or beer 21+...
    We should be able to grow our own or be caregiver to help the needy NOT PASS THIS BILL SO THEY CAN CONTROL A PLANT THAT HELPS THE SICK

    FURTHER MORE
    Your closing statement you use words and sentences like
    "You people"
    "You will NEVER get it your way"
    "All of your ilk rant and moan"
    If you don't Mind I have a question that pops up like "cracking seed under a cfl"
    Do you belong to any special group/party? You sound like a Little-big-brother/we the ppl "activist" !!!!!! If you actually read my previous statement you're DEFINING that ANTI AMERICAN ATTITUDE
    “I'm voting yes because it's what's on the table… I have to take what's on the table while it's hot…”
    @[member="Lux"] COME ON Are we now blind to the facts... Or you don't have access to google to confirm what I'm saying has substance or YOU DO HAVE "Secret Agenda" defining this bill, John Morgan, and pretending it has not turned into a political war...

    I will honor my Own request to respect others opinions by not going back and forth but I did have to address your response and you seam intelligent enough to hold a progressive informative debate for the sake of those looking to get informed let keep this civil "lil brother" ;)


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  10. Yawn..................
     
  11. No one thinks florida mmj laws are a poison pill? Some one need to speck out! View attachment 1562598 View attachment 1562599


    Maybe I'm the one with the WRONGE ideas...
    Maybe I'm just old school....
    Maybe this is just not America land of the free but land of the sheep!
    Men fight for freedom, then they begin to accumulate laws to take it away from themselves!

    Don't listen to me listen to ppl that matter

    “If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
    if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may
    come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
    -Winston Churchill


    Maybe this is more appealing to voters better nature
    What would bob say about florida mmj laws hahahahahaha :)

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    Good luck florida voters ;)


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  12. I hope you and your 5 family members never have to resort to growing there own meds
    has the funds to perches med from any one of the five
    franchise type dispensaries FOR LIFE!! All of florida may not be as blessed as you keep that in mind


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  13. As i understand it, under current Florida law, no body can legally smoke marijuana.
     
    Under amendment 2, people will be able to legally smoke marijuana if they go through a process.
     
    Is amendment 2 worse than current Florida law? 
     
    Sure, the medical system is highly bureaucratic and cumbersome, but I'm sure it beats being a criminal.
     
  14. It does not allow a smokable form of marijuana; only the oil form is included in the legislation. So FLORIDA IS STILL A NO SMOKING ZONE

    The only strain that no one can grow/or smoke is... Called....
    Charlotte's Web is a strain of medical marijuana processed into a marijuana extract[1] that is high in cannabidiol (CBD) content, called Realm Oil and Alepsia. It does not induce the psychoactive "high" typically associated with recreational marijuana strains that are high in tetrahydrocannabinol (THC).


    With so much opposition to my post I hadn't got the chance to talk about that...
    I'm glad you mentioned that many people haven't read the law and don't realize what will be available...


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  15. Activism consists of efforts to promote, impede, or direct social, political, economic, or environmental change, or stasis.

    If you would like to smoke legally vs ingesting oil form I suggest you get informed and active

    And no... Oil doesn't mean you can vaporize no pens ether lol




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    I read Amendment 2 in its entirety, and because I am not familiar with Florida laws whatsoever, I read Florida's Compassionate Medical Cannabis Act of 2014, and found nothing mentioning the usage of cannabis restricted to oil. If you could point me to a place where it says that, it would better help my understanding. 
     
    Amendment 2, to my understanding, is nothing but an improvement.
     
    Why did you join a marijuana advocacy forum, claim that you do not use marijuana, advocate against medical marijuana legislation, and think that this would get you anywhere...?
     
  17. lmfao dude...how do you possibly think its a better idea to vote no for the bill then to vote yes? the way i see it is, you cant grow in your house at the moment anyway...so why not at least vote yes so you can at least smoke safely? things can be changed and adjusted later, haha but i dont live in florida, so it doesn't really matter to me if you Floridians want to wait even longer to have safe access to mmj.. LOL  :laughing: 
     
  18. i didnt see anything restricting it to oil either...idk maybe i missed it. 
     
  19. [SIZE=11.8181819915771px]im sorry but are you saying that strains that are higher in THC and low in CBD have little/no medical benefits, and are only good for recreational use? correct me if im wrong...[/SIZE]
     
  20. OP is a shill for anti legalization groups...I suggest not responding to his posts, responses just help him get his warped, wordy message out...
     
     
    And Florida voters, vote YES on 2 in November........
     
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