Nutrients Are Chemicals?

Discussion in 'Hydroponic Growing' started by Physcotic1, Sep 14, 2014.

  1. I've been seeing a lot of batshit organic growers claim that water soluble nutrients are chemicals but I disagree they are not chemicals that will harm the soil they are fertilizers that will strengthen the soil ,am I wrong nitrogen is nitrogen wether it's from decomposing material or a bottle of 10-10-10.


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  2. My question is why are nutrients being treated as toxic chemicals ther ferts not toxic .??


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  3. Everything in moderation, including nutrients.
     
    They're considered toxic chemicals because in high doses they can be toxic, but in the right doses they make a gorgeous plant even more beautiful.
     
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  4. Water is is a chemical...
     
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  5. I would say water is a substance not a chemical but the definition of chemical is a a substance which has been artificially prepared or purified so in some ways water is a chemical lol depending on we're it comes from r.o water is classed as a chemical due to the fact it's purified but ofc it depends in what context you use the word chemical.
     
  6. Different people as far as I can tell, prefer different methods.
     
    If a human being drinks too much water, they can end up with water intoxication and possibly die.
     
    If you give a plant too much liquid nutrients, it can die.
     
     
    Organic growers have a thing against hydro sometimes.... I don't want to get into that debate.
     
     
    If   a hyrdo grower flushes his plants properly before the harvest, chemicals will be a non-issue.
     
  7. All things are chemicals, water is indeed a chemical. 
    The difference between organically produced nutrients and synthetic nutrients is how much is available.
     
    Adding synthetic nutrients you must give the plants a concentration that they like. The problems occur when people add too much thinking it will somehow force the plant to use them faster.
     
    Raw organic fertilisers will less easily overdose your plants because it's the bacteria in the soil that break the compounds up in to a form the plants can use. The bacteria quite literally poop out nutrients for the plants. When the concentration of the nutrients become too high it makes the habitat difficult for the bacteria to thrive and slows their production. Once the plants have used some of those nutrients the concentration drops and the bacteria step up their production. This equilibrium stops the plants from becoming overdosed.
     
    Adding nutrients to the soil that have already been broken down in an organic way should be treated as any synthetic nutrient because plants can just as easily become overdosed.
     
    And yes, a molecule of nitrogen is a molecule of nitrogen, I'm pretty sure the plant will not know where is has come from lol. After all, all nitrogen molecules as well as all other elements were forged in dieing stars anyway
     
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  8. #8 Original Past, Sep 15, 2014
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    I think this is an important discussion to have, especially with the market hype surrounding the word "organic" (in America, it's not such a big deal in the UK or Europe right now)   In the US, you are allowed to market items as "organic," if you pay money to the powers that be, which will allow you to use the term.  Because of this, I think there's been a focus on nutrients and whether they are synthetic or organic.
     
    Aside from carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen, plants need 13 different mineral based nutrients.  Your plant doesn't know the difference whether those mineral based nutrients came from bat poop, coral reefs, or a bottle.  They especially won't care about what brand was printed on the sticker of the bottle they came from either. 
     
    Regardless of where these came from chicken poop or a laboratory, they are chemicals.    
     
    Some people prefer to make tea from bat poop, dead fish, composted organic materials, and such.   Some people prefer to measure out a controlled amount of nutrient from a bottle to feed their plants.   Either method has proven to work and be effective.  I've  seen epic grows done each way, and I've seen failed grows done each way.  As you can imagine, I've seen every result in between these, for each method, too. 
     
    The bottom line is that it's a matter of personal preference. I grow my weed using synthetic nutrients, in a controlled indoor hydroponic environment.  My outdoor vegetable garden uses compost and is grown in soil under the sun.   If cannabis wasn't so taboo, I'd probably just grow it outside next to the tomatoes.   If funds were no object, my entire veg garden would likely be a huge hydroponic system outdoors, or in a greenhouse under the natural sun.  (my grow room is 8x10, my veg garden is 25' x 75')
     
    Wow, that was a stoner rant!
     
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  9. Organic simply means it contains a carbon molecule. 
    If something is grown organically it generally means that all products that are used such as insecticides and fertilisers also contain a carbon molecule. 
    There's nothing magic about organic
     
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  10. Nope. Nothing magic.

    But there's more than just the whole NPK deal and theres more than 13 elements for plant growth. Running a search for enzymes and secondary metabolites will help in understanding that.
     
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  11. I was overwhelmed when I pulled up the page on enzymes and secondary metabolites way complex!


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