Ok this isn't a troll thread, and definitely isn't meant to upset anyone. I am hoping to get some insight from someone with more knowledge and/or faith (belief, or the general sort). 1) From what I have been taught as a Catholic growing up, Adam and Eve were the first humans on Earth. Eve sinned, and then so did Adam. 2) The devil (or satan) is evil. They are masters of deception and will do anything to lead us down a path of evil. With those two ideas in mind (taught to me over the years of being a Christian) I am now confused about this. We read, preach and believe in God from the Holy Bible. There are non-taxed churches that have humans leading us in the light of God. We are taught that greed is good, and that giving is better than receiving. We create war, kill people, and cast out others without our beliefs. Yet we say God is all loving, and is a greater being with more knowledge. Everything happens for a reason, for a greater plan. There are stories of God killing and doing harm, but I haven't been told anything other than Satan is bad. That an all loving creator has cast him off, unwilling to show him a better light and way of living. People led down an unrighteous path are always told through people who believe in God, and through his book and teachings. Not from other people who are Athiest or of a different religion. Basically if man is the one who has passed on the faith of Christianity, but is inherently doomed to sin from day one and be lead down an "evil" path, yet follows a good path with sin... wouldn't this just be the Devil/Satan deceiving us? Wouldn't we be following the wrong preaching(s)? This sounded better in my head, but I'm high and having a sugar crash Basically if man is the only one who told us God is good, Satan is bad... how do we know it isn't Satan trying to deceive us? Isn't it good to at least question what we follow, even if it isn't what we ultimately believe?
This is an idea I've thought about and have talked about with others, it seems to be a common thought, not in the sense that a lot of people believe it but have had the thought... It just basically comes down to having faith and trust...if you believe in a loving god then you have faith and trust that's what is really true...but you can always be wrong... The being wrong deal is just pushed aside and not talked about, because if you start entertaining the idea that your whole concept of god could be wrong it can shatter peoples whole lives...so they just hold on to their faith and don't think about the other side much if they can help it...
the post is lined with cheeky insinuations and contempt, it seems likely to only inspire contention. to your last statements though, as they are more reasonable; man simply transcribed the word of god. and it is good to doubt, to question and analyze. but you must understand that science, religion, are faith based enterprises. scepticism poses as logic, but it is not rational.
Thank you for this reply! I recently tried to get a better understanding of this in life and someone broke down in tears. I stopped talking about it because that wasn't my intention. I was simply asking for advice for more outside thought. But I now understand not everyone is open to this, and I am in no way addressing this thread to them if they aren't willing to talk. If they want to chirp in, or try and help, or tell me I'm evil that's all good. It wasn't meant to. It's just the best I could word it from the things I have been taught from my religion. I am always open to sound advice from any person if it has reason to it. Maybe that's where my trouble lies, in faith and it's concept. Either way, you are welcome to believe I am in this for mischievous reasons, I am human after all ;p that was a joke, it is a serious thread with intent just to gain some insight
Why worry about it? People spend so much time fixated on the future that they forget to live in the present, that is the only thing that bothers me about religion. There is no way for us to know whether or not there is a god, so why not just try to lead a good lifestyle and let things fall as they may.
Not quite on topic, but I just finished reading a 4 volume series of novels, written by Ted Dekker, called Circle Series, or individually books titled, black, red, white, green. Doesn't sound like much on this post, but really think you'd enjoy this series... Delves into those sorts of questions, from a fictional/religious point of view. I really liked them and although I consider myself faithful, I'm not the religious type. Left me with lots of questions & a little more faith 😠Just wanted to share..😊
I sometimes gear fearful and hope for more answers. At least insight and other comments help to remind me of what's important, or possibly lead my in another positive direction. But you are right, gotta live in the present Appreciate it, I will look out for them. I was just talking about looking for a book to read earlier, since it has been a little while... haha.
You missed a larger point. Following your theory, how do you know satan didnt tell man to write the bible? Also, its important to understand how and where christianity came from. Most people know their book and they believe that it was written by man, ordained by god, but many are uneducated on the history of mankind. And those same people are really very shocked to discover that at one point, christianity did not exist, but many other religions and belief systems did, long before. So according to christianity, what happened to those people before the book? Did their souls disappear? Odd to think about, which is why faith is the answer to any logical fallacy in christianity and why man has to interpret what the bible "realiy means." Also, satan is a fallen angel. He fell from gods grace, which means he was good at one point, and if he was good, then he is capable of being good and is therefore not inherently evil.
Yeah Satan could have told man to write the bible, that's something that concerns me. There are a lot of other things to consider. I don't just question how I was raised religiously, but other areas of interest in life. I just want to learn, and I find I learn best if I hear good and bad from lots of people. That's another thing that I don't fully remember. I don't remember why he was a fallen angel. I hear people say Earth is a test and Heaven is the... Heavenly afterlife? Basically I figured there wasn't a way to do wrong in heaven; or that God at that point would just set me (or whoever) straight and all would be well. As in bad couldn't be done in heaven, it just wasn't a possibility somehow (left up to God's higher knowledge). I hope that makes some sense.
Here's my answer. Dude if you were within a 100 miles of me I would bring you a candy bar to keep you sugars up. That is all you may all be dismissed as I answered the question. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
from what ive read, satan isnt evil and satanism actually has pretty cool concepts. but things like religion get lost in translation. its kind of hard to believe any information out there on anything that has to do with religion. its just interpretation and subjective understandings of powerful individuals forced unto the masses throughout history.
Have you taken any history classes in college? I recommend a few areas of study, specifically religion, anthropology, cultural anthropology and ethnomusicology. Basically anything that challenges your comfort level and challenges your culture. Asian history was the hardest class i ever took. Id read up to 10 hours per day studying dynasties and religion and philisophy. Great stuff. Greek history is also pretty cool. And youll learn all about the great schism And catholicism as well. Zorasterism is something you should also look into. -poke
Lots of things to look into! Awesome. I am actually not in college currently, I am going back after I save up and move. However I will keep those in mind and read into them in the meantime.
Word of friendly caution. If you value your beliefs you might reconsider. I couldnt follow my faith in good conscious after being enlightened and I was raised to attend service multiple times per week, at many churches in many states, with many different presentations and "translations" lol, if that makes any sense to you....
Satanism is a whole different thing. It is cool though. But it really doesn't have much to do with Satan. "I'm to drunk, to taste this chicken" -Talladega nights
There is nothing faith based about science. Its scientific theories are testable and can be determined wrong through experiment and scientific methods. Do not confuse religious faith with trust in scientific theories. Theories which can be tested as true or false. Do that with man's fixation with any of its ancient tribal manifestations. Please understand that scientific theories turn on your lights and computer, it gotten us to the moon and have gotten our sattelites to orbit and planes to fly. There is not a single word from any gawd that is not man's doing. Period. The gawds are man's worst invention.
I say give thanks to god but thinking about him reminds me that I'm gonna die so I just worship him in silence .except today today Is the lords day of rest. Sent from my iPad using Grasscity Forum
There are thousands of gawds to choose from. I hope it makes you a better person, who can oppose that? I am thankful; everyday I do not have to rely on ancient tribal mystics' tales of the gawds to guide my life. I enjoy knowing I can dismiss all the books men selected and approved for forcing their gawd upon their societies as easily as I do any fable of old. One shot for this life and it has been a great one, without any of the gawds.
science is a faith based enterprise. it is theoretically testable, yet in practice you accept findings based on testimony when you have not conducted the research. say you wonder who your parents are; how do you know these people who reared you are in fact those who gave birth to you? you have no memory of the event, you accept the testimony of others. say you test your dna and find it matches these people, you again are accepting on faith the testimony of a man in a white coat giving results, accepting testimony of a machine you dont know how to build. faith in the context of science and religion are vastly different, but each requires it.
Christianity (that is, sun-day Christianity) is of satan. Check out the "council of nicea" -- the very same powers (e.g. those Roman pagans) who murdered Yeshua, created and politically institutionalized, thereby perpetuating, a false religion in his name (what a ploy). Pure monotheism (which is a lot older than most people think, i.e., which is a lot older than the three main monotheistic religions of today) can never be tainted because of, or confuted by, faulty and-or puerile logic. 1. God is one, supreme among gods and men, and not like mortals in body or in mind. 2. The whole [of God] sees, the whole perceives, the whole hears. 3. But without effort he sets in motion all things by mind and thought. 4. It always abides in the same place, not moved at all, nor is it fitting that it should move from one place to another. 5. But mortals suppose that the gods are born (as they themselves are), and that they wear man's clothing and have human voice and body. How uneducated you are. All of science is based on INDUCTION; inductive reasoning requires belief (that is to say, its supposed infallibility is accepted and granted on faith); just ask David Hume. Wait, do you even know who that is, and why he's important in regards to understanding your crude scientificsim? Please understand that scientific theories turn on your lights and computer, it gotten us to the moon and have gotten our sattelites to orbit and planes to fly. Theories, per se, don't act or react, or causally effect anything, dummy. How can a theory turn on a lightbulb or computer? Are you trying to say that the ideas' of man, and the executing of his thought power, has lead to the creation of devices which can be utilized in the actual world? Yes, I would agree. "Science" didn't get us to the moon, the power, and utilizing, of man's mind (in knowledge) did; products of mere mechanical theory.