Recent Florida Debate

Discussion in 'Marijuana News' started by ProGMO, Sep 10, 2014.

  1. NPR broadcast this but you can get a feel for the level of opposition in FL. the Sheriff does not come off as an ass and has an extensive international counter narcotics background. i agree with his assessment that NORML and other groups are playing on the sympathies of voters to pass MMJ laws to really become a backdoor to recreational through the medical system.
     
    Mr Morgan of Morgan and Morgan law Offices is a very strong and emotional advocate. I am voting YES in NOV wishing and hoping something pushes the Feds to approve legalization period. I hope Monsanto gets their hands on a good contract!
     
    http://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/post/florida-matters-preview-grady-judd-vs-john-morgan-amendment-2
     
    Some in the FL media tried to crucify John over his "potty mouth" while speaking to a youthful audience. Yeah for another notch in the bible belt's ability to demonize rational thought.
     
    http://www.theledger.com/article/20140909/COLUMNISTS03/140909242/0/search

     
  2. You want Monsanto to get involved?

    Care to elaborate?
     
  3. Sure,
    As a leader in GMO I want an established company to make MMJ and recreational MJ the hiest quality and widest possible options to grow through genetic improvements. What did you think about the debate?
     
  4. Im not they typical anti-GMO type that you see and am more than aware that alot of the sentiment is extremely biased and nonfactual, or flatout twisted (like the mice they parade that grow grotesque tumors and conveniently ignore they are specifically bred to do so). But even from my attempts at neutrality on most issues until I have enough info, I dont think I have ever come across something positive about Monsanto, while GMOs are not inherently bad (infact most of our food that people arent up in arms about have been Genetically Modified for centuries, like strawberries and corn, just not in a lab), it seems that Monsanto is.

    So why support them over someone else, less known to sue farmers and ruin their livelihoods over accidental airborne propagation of their trademarked products?

    As for the debate, I posted when GC was doing its usual nightly going down for a few minutes, so I didnt get a chance to watch it, and have been browsing the internet since, Ill check it out now
     
  5. #5 LuxTenebris, Sep 15, 2014
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    Okay I checked it out.

    I can kinda see where the officer is coming from, but from living in Florida my whole life I havent known our police to be forward thinking, especially on issues like this, so Im skeptical of his sincerity, and am more inclined to believe he is putting on a show to seem less rabidly anti-cannabis than he actually (may) be.

    As for Morgan, he pretty much said what he's been saying the whole time, nothing new there. Though Im failing to grasp why the doctors are complaining about being granted immunity for recommending marijuana if it passes, seems like a blessing, not an issue.
     
  6. As for the using Medical to eventually get Recreational, that's kinda the worst kept secret ever.

    They have to publically save face and say their concerns are strictly medical, which is a half truth. They do believe medicla marijuana should be something everyone has access to, but they also want it to be a first step to recreational legalization.

    A tactic I have no problem with, while everyone should absolutely have access to the medicine that can best help them, there are people like myself who enjoy cannabis, and would prefer not being locked in a cage over a victimless "crime" (its really a tragedy to have to call smoking weed a crime)
     
  7. #7 ProGMO, Sep 15, 2014
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    Right now there is no one even close to Monsanto's capability or global acceptance with a proven track record. Plus I admittedly am very pro capitalist and enjoy seeing a large employer with 2nd and 3rd order employment effects moving forward as they are with MJ in Uruguay. The primary reason we (USA) are behind in developing or research MJ is the federal narcotic laws. 
     
    Monsanto will keep the current farmers to grow their seeds that reduce environmental damage and feed more hungry humans. I like humans a lot. Growers will have so many options if GMO is done right. Little to no disease damage, bright colors that would be fun to grow in a legal state in your living room. Less light requirements, reducing electrical demands (look at all those associated costs). Flavors like you would not believe. Again, time will tell. My bet is Monsanto does us all good while making a significant profit, to which does not make me jealous one bit. If I was not so lazy I would be rich too. 
     
    They are doing a lot of these debates. Channel 9 in Tampa is doing one SUN at 0900. I am very interested in starting a dispensary. 
     
  8. #8 LuxTenebris, Sep 15, 2014
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    While I am very cautious around Monsanto, I do see where you are coming from.

    Alot of people dont realize that selective breeding like we already have with cannabis is a form of genetic modification, but its also less scary by the lack of being done in a lab (for the most part)

    Id honestly prefer to do my own selective breeding, for my own needs/desires, BUT if it could be proven that the only modifications were increased yield decreased flower time etc etc, with no damage to its medical efficacy, or unintended side effects, I wouldnt be opposed to messing around with growing them.

    I mean who wouldnt love a plant that will be full grown within a couple weeks, at no cost to its potency or medical uses?


    But like I said, Monsanto's shady track record makes me cautious.
     
  9. #9 ProGMO, Sep 15, 2014
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    Shady track record? I have seen much more good from them. Like any other corporation they have to fight a lot of legal battles. Sometimes defending what seems like defenseless positions. Giving into one lawsuit can lead to so many other fiscally draining events. I am not sure they are any less or more shady than Miller, Apple, Toshiba, ect...
     
    Do you have a link to their shady practices? I am not calling you out as much as curious. Do not take offense please. The reason i ask like that is so many people want to get into a fist to cuffs  over simple questions. At least you have one of the more admirable traits in mankind, an open mind. 
     
    I assume you have a vested interest in Amendment 2? 
     
  10. The most prominent thing they do is plant their trademarked (thats the important bit) gmo whatever it may be, close enough to farmers that dont grow their genetics, so that pollen may be carried by air over to the farm where it pollinates their crop. As the offspring are 50% Monsanto trademark, which monsanto can prove, they then sue the farmer, and as the farmer usually cant afford it, their land is taken, and their livelihood ruined

    Keyword in the very beginning of the article "inadvertently"
    http://rt.com/usa/monsanto-patents-sue-farmers-547/



    As for Ammendment 2, I have no medical condition, but I do wish to see Florida join the 21st century. And as its made with the same loopholes that California used to make it so almost anyone can get it, if it goes that path, me having protection from legal repercussions for smoking a plant is appealing to me. I wish patients could grow their own, but that can be ammended later.
     
  11. He is not a emotional advocate! He is poising him self to make a multi billion dollor mmj monopoly that's all! He has a very good pitch... My brother... My father.... Bla bla bla
    But no one spends 4+mill because they emotional


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  12. I do not know him good enough to make that judgement. Where do you know him from?
     
    I think he has spent only 250K of his own. George Soros and other donors have put out the 3.7 million. They also have spent most of their money. The opposition has raised about 3 million and only spent 350K, I think they are getting ready for the counter punch. In the end 67% YES is my estimate. What is your guess?. 
     
  13. #13 ProGMO, Sep 18, 2014
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    Did you read your article or understand it? "Monsanto never has and has committed it never will sue if our patented seed or traits are found in a farmer's field as a result of inadvertent means," said Kyle McClain, the Monsanto's chief litigation counsel, according to Reuters.
     
    Poppy, cocaine, which plant do you stop at?
     
    I just can not stand the deception of the MMJ compassion route. Of course no one wants to see anyone suffer. But the reality is the majority involved only want to get stoned. Then call it what it is instead of using little children's health, those in the most extreme pain to further their deceptive tactics for selfish ends. Stop praying on people's sympathies and just pass recreational laws, is that too hard? Ask NORML, they figured out long ago how to accomplish their real goals. Weed for all and I am good for it. Guess I am not fond of liars. 
     
  14. So, the answer is, it would be a lot easier to either vote it up or vote it down, but the pollsters know that the people of the state of Florida won't do that.
     
     
    That's because the people of Florida don't know how to vote! They already screwed up 2 presidential elections.
     
  15. You have said this a couple times, why the hate? Not sure where the voters screwed it up, are you? I think the counting system screwed it up? 
     
    I am voting it in knowing it is easier to change an initiative once voted in that to keep the issue alive each voting cycle. For the people it will help far outweigh the selfishness of the many who just want to get stoned. I just wish we could be honest about it. but many are not and hide behind another's personal tragedy for their personal vice. I know you are smart enough to know that, come to FL and help them vote YES!
     
  16. a lot of people are going to vote "yes". 
    let's just hope it's enough to win. 
     
  17. I choose not to de-rail this thread with my politcal banter. I really do hope in my heart of hearts that Florida does legalize it.
     
    Why the hate is an entire different rant for an entire different thread. I'll STFU for now.....
     
  18. There's a big difference between what has been done with seeds for centuries and what Monsanto does.  Taking your healthiest, largest corn kernels and breeding them to produce a larger, tastier, healthier product, and splicing the genes of an entirely different species to a plant (insects, crustaceans, etc) is very different.  
     
    Their seeds have characteristics that, if they are able to mix with heirloom/non-hybrid seeds, can destroy those crops and future crops.  Long story, not for this subject.  But watch Food Inc, King Corn, David Vs. Monsanto, and many other documentaries about the problems associated with Monsanto.  Not to mention they are one of the biggest pesticide producers on the planet.  And they have sued farmers.
     
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/genetically-modified-seed-patent-report_n_2678837.html
     
    On the topic, we lived in Florida for years, and with their elderly population, it's gonna be a tough sell to get medical passed.  I don't think it would EVER be passed there as recreational unless it became federally legal....so the only hope is to push the medical benefits, big and small, and hope for the best.  Too bad you can't give tiny edible samples to all the retired folks.  My bet is most of them grew up being told to fear that "loco weed" and have no real clue of the benefits.  What needs to happen, is a MASSIVE door to door campaign to talk to folks, let them know the benefits, how it has helped others....look presentable, not like a hippy.  Many lonely folks there in FL, probably wouldn't slam the door in your face once they see you're not a Jehovahs Witness.  JMO.
     
  19. STFU then! LOL! 
     
    I am am not going to cry because you hate our old people. This will be my first year voting in FL. I used to vote absentee for TN since about 1982 ish or so. All these years being overseas I can finally call a place home. 
     
  20. #20 ProGMO, Sep 18, 2014
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    This is an easy sell. No single poll says otherwise. I predict 67% YES!
     
    if they do that they can also be held liable. the facts are not supporting all the hate and hype. They do go after people who steal their products and take advantage of their hard work.
     
    pesticides? You are complaining? they also are devolving plants that do not need pesticides that would otherwise destroy unprotected crops. Farmers do not object to using insecticides do they? 
     
    No other corporation is any different. You seem to complain lightly on the very corporate entities that are following your ever move on this site. 
     

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