Volcano Or Mflb?

Discussion in 'Vaporizers' started by alboppolo, Aug 14, 2014.

  1. Been smoking for about 10 years now, and never tried vaping. Not once! I'm planning on dropping some cash on a vaporizer here in a few weeks, though. I've looked around online, read a bunch of reviews, and narrowed it down to either a volcano or mflb. I'm aware that the volcano is pricey, but money isn't really an issue, and if I'm gonna be spending money on a vaporizer, I'd like for it to be a pretty nice one.
     
    Before I make my choice, I'd like to ask a few questions, because from what I've been reading elsewhere, I've been getting a fair amount of mixed information.
     
    First, and probably most important, I smoke solo at least 99% of the time. Occasionally the wife or a buddy will join me, but the vast majority of the time it's just me. The volcano and its huge-ass balloons look like it might be a bit unwieldy for just a single person. Between the Volcano and the MFLB, is one better for solo use, or does it really matter? I know the MFLB is portable, but I just plan on using it at home, so it's not necessarily the size of the thing that's the issue.
     
    Second, what about the taste and smell? I do enjoy the taste. That's a part of the experience! I feel like I'd probably be a bit disappointed if I'm missing out on the flavor. I'm a fan of that weed smoke aroma too, but my wife hates it and says it stinks up the house, so I'm forced to smoke out in the garage. Is there much of a smell with vapor? I don't mind the garage, but it sure would be nice to be able to vape inside. If there isn't a strong smell, that'd be a plus.
     
    Third, I've heard that after vaping, you can take the vaped herb and use it as an edible. I've read other things that have said this is BS. What's your verdict?
     
    Okay, just a couple more things...
     
    With the stuff I've got now, I'm good after just one or two hits. When vaping, should I use the same amount of herb as I do when smoking? More? Less? 
     
    FINALLY, I've heard that with the MFLB, there's a bit of a learning curve. How big of a deal is this? I don't exactly have a steady supply, so I'd hate to be wasteful and blow all my herb trying to figure out the MFLB.
     
    Anyway, that's it. If you made it through, thanks for reading! Remember that if some of this stuff seems obvious, that I have absolutely 0% vape experience! Just trying to get the scoop before I spend my money! 

     
  2. I have the same dilemma mate lok

    I currently do own a few magic flight boxes and the orbiter and PA
    Its my main vape very seldom I use it outwith my home.

    I love it but im wanting a second vape, I dont allow anyone to use my flight/orb set up lol

    So the volcano was my thinking of a second vape, was reading rens review on the hammer, but I think the volcano will be ny choice.

    As for a learning curve its not really a big deal.i think there is to much emphasise on this, and kinda puts people off.

    You wont waste weed mate, in fact it will be quite the opposite.

    Oh imo if you aren't vaping with more than 3 people the volcano will be over kill for you.
    But hey if you got the cash then you will own a very good quality vape if you do decide to go down that road

    Sent from my SM-T210 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
     
  3. I mean if money's not an issue why not buy both? The volcano is pricy but the MFLB is a little over $100, or just go with the MFLB I have one and I love it, takes a couple tries to get it perfect but you're not wasting any trying to figure it out, you might burn some but now waste
     
  4. Well those are two polar opposite vaporizers... do you want portability or not? This is an easy one to figure out but have you looked in to other vaporizers? You mentioned the bag system on the volcano but you could get a lot better of a delivery system from a lot of different vaporizers.
     
  5. spend some time on fuckcombustion.com before you buy. neither vape seems particularly suited to your needs.
     
    i myself would say the vapexhale cloud evo as its best suited for me. but if youre willing to spend the money on a volcano and want the top of the line the herbalizer is probably around $200 more depending on where you buy and looks like a fantastic product, if not the best on the market for most people.
     
  6.  
    sending you a PM
     
  7. @[member="alboppolo"] - I sent you a PM that basically answers all your questions and addresses some of your concerns.
     
  8. They are completely different units that I would say create different outcomes.  Personally, I am not a huge MFLB advocate, I can't get past the rechargable batterery thing to vape the herbs. Plus you don't know when your running out of the battery.... and then it's not heating it up right.... I could go on..
     
    I think I'm always the odd one out with this opinion. 
     
  9.  Why a pM, ren?  There may be others here, lurkers especially, that may benefit from your answers.
     
  10.  
    You know you're right.... 
     
    Careful, its a bit long... but then again, most of my posts are haha!
     
    My apologies in advance if I said something about the Volcano that isn't true. Its not one of my favorite vapes so it might be a bit biased. Anyhow, below is what I sent to the OP:
     
    Hey Alboppolo,

    I was in your situation. My wife doesn't smoke and I have small kids around. I've been smoking herbs since I was 18 and it helps me in all kinds of ways. I would smoke out of a bong or a bubbler (sucker for glass), out in my garage and it was like that for 10+ years since I've been with my wife. She partakes occasionally but extremely rare.

    I started vaporizing 6 months ago and it really changed a lot of things for me. Like you, I don't have a steady supply due to money constraints but vaporizing has literally given me a steady supply due to the efficient nature of the vapes I chose.

    So that being said, you have picked an MFLB or a Volcano. Honestly I would advise against theVolcano. Its not an efficient vaporizer, and you'll end up using more herb than you need to with it for a solo smoker. There are way better choices for vapes than the Volcano. I know that one is a brand name but here's why I don't like it:
    • efficiency sucks. Its not going to fill that bag on a small amount.
    • Bag causes condensation - This is rather advanced vaporizing knowledge, but condensation is bad for vapor. It basically dilutes it and you get less active chemicals in the vapor.
    • Its expensive as hell - You're going to spend some money on a Volcano. I can recommend lesser expensive vaporizers that will get the job done BETTER than a volcano.
    For a solo smoker the Volcano is rather silly. Its perfect for a party situation since its virtually idiot proof but beyond that, I wouldn't recommend it.
    \nThe MFLB was my first vape. I still use it today as my traveling vape, and when I want a quick hit. There is a learning curve but as long as you stick to the instructions you'll pick it up within your first session. It took me 5 minutes to figure it out. Here's why the MFLB will be good for your situation:
    • Its efficient - .1g to .2g is all it needs to produce 6-10 good hits for you.
    • Its stealthy - It has a small enough form factor that it will be hidden in your hands (especially if you don't use the stem). It also produce VERY LITTLE smell, someone has to be within 2-3 feet of you to even smell anything, and the smell dissipates within seconds.
    • Its discreet - Due to the low smell factor, its small form factor and what not, you can use it virtually anywhere discreetly.
    • Lifetime Warranty - Magic Flight will replace it due to manufacturing defects, and even if YOU break it.
    After I got my MFLB, I don't smoke in the garage anymore and I vaporize at my desk. I love my MFLB and will always have it. Its a great little vape and I don't see myself ever letting it go.
    \nNow let me show you a couple of other vapes I use as my daily drivers. The Firewood 2.1 and The Hammer. Both of those vapes are convection based and they're extremely efficient. I have reviews for both of these vapes. Check them out when you get a chance:
    \nFirewood 2.1 review
    The Hammer review
    \nBoth of those vapes cost under $150 a pop, so theres your cost savings right there. One thing should be noted about those two vapes. They do both have learning curves but again, 5 minutes is all it will take you to learn it. Also, The Hammer is a butane powered vape so keep that in mind as well. I highly recommend the Firewood 2.1. It's made by a fellow vaporer, he's a small start up company and he really backs his product. The form factor of the vape looks really cool and it has a fantastic flavor.
    \nSince I started vaporizing, my consumption has gone down significantly. 1/8th of KB will last me almost 2 weeks. It has enabled me to start stocking up on herb and opening my hutch to vape is like opening a bar (what strain would I like to try today?).
    \nSo hopefully this helps you out. Keep these factors in mind about the 3 vapes I presented to you here:
    • The MFLB is not convection based. It is Conduction/IR. It's efficient but the flavor with the vape degrades after 3-4 hits.
    • The Hammer and Firewood 2.1 are convection based with glass vapor paths. Their flavor will keep on kicking until the last hit.
    • All 3 of these vapes cost under $150. Please, don't think you have to spend over $250 for a great vape.
    • And remember, you can save the "cashed" load in the vape and use it in edibles
    Vaporizing is really great. You won't waste any herb doing it. Anything cashed out can be used inedibles (I make peanut butter and brownies out of my vaped herbs and get a nice high for 8 hours off a little bit), and you'll save money doing it; basically your vape will pay for itself with in a few uses.
    \nIf you have any questions, feel free to PM me or reply to your thread. I make it a point to help new vaporer's out as I never had help and had to figure all this stuff out myself.
     
  11. Thanks Ren.   Great post.  
     
  12. MOST people who talk shit about the volcano dont have one./cant afford one, or decided on a cheaper or different vape instead.
     
    Also, the fact that some air is mixed in with bag vapes, makes it take longer inhale the same amount of pure vapor, so you will probably feel your high at a desired level before vaping more and more. When you extract everything with 2-3 big hits, you are done vaping then. Or you vape more because you like to, and youuse more weed than necessary.
    Volcano>MLFB or any portable for that matter. Also, the customer service has great reviews.
     
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    :confused_2:
     
  14. Crap man you weren't kidding!!!!
     
    Good post bud (seriously :cool: )
     
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    I'd pick The Hammer or any of my portables over the Volcano any day of the week. Yes, I don't own one, and while I can afford one I choose not to buy one. Does it mean I haven't used one? Not at all... I have a buddy who has one and I've used it a few times. So since he's spent the money on it and uses it for group scenario's, I don't really need to flow out that kind of cash for it.
     
    I wasn't talking smack on the Volcano either, I was stating what would make sense for a guy who usually has solo sessions and only needs a hit or 2. The Volcano has its place, I just wouldn't fit it with someone who has a low tolerance to begin with and only needs a small amount to get them vaped.
     
  16. Except for the tons of people who do have more expensive vaporizers and the people who have tried it and realized bags suck ass.
     
  17. . Fair enough. For a person who doesn't vape a lot a portable would work just fine. I'd recommend the no2 for that situation over the mflb tho personally. You can easily hook it up to a bong for spfiltering again and also cooling the vapor, and you will be able to rip clouds easily. U

      
    . Saying that the volcano sucks ass just makes you sound ignorant. You may not like it p, but it is a solid piece of equipment. Also, there are very very few "more expensive" vapes besides the herbalizer and the evo with a hydtratree

    . What I was saying is that let's say you only need x amount of thc to feel as high as you want. Pit takes a few minutes at least for the high to fully peak, so if you were calling out of a bag for those minutes, you would be exhaling less good vapor. You'd be taking more hits, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, volcano vapor is flavorful and cool, and you can blow clouds for a few bags worth of it. If most people slowed down their hits, they would probably use less bud. Bag vapes force you to do that in a way. By the time you've extracted 50% of the cannabinoids in the chamber! you wil have been gaping for several minutes, and should be feeling the peaking of the first couple hits, whereas you can drain all of the cannabinoids out of 3x as much bud in something that extracts very fast, like the evo, in the same amount if draws. The thing is, taking in so much extra cannabinoids won't get you that much higher after a certain point, and you are just rash your tolerance.
     
  18. My consumption tripled when I went from my Purple Days to a Zypher Ion and a Volcano.   And, my consumption with a Volcano was twice as much as with my LSV.
     
    And, btw, you comment of "For a person who doesn't vape a lot a portable would work just fine" isn't very accurate simply because I know a lot of very experienced vaporists who ONLY use a portable as their daily driver.
     
  19. #19 ren.dnb, Aug 15, 2014
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    It's not just about how much you vape. It could also be your home situation, where you want to vape etc.. For me, portables work fine as I need to stash them away and hide them. While I could do this with a desktop, I can't exactly bring the desktop outside with me and look discreet, or have it at my desk and quickly hide it.
     
    While my consumption is low, its because of the vapes I chose, not really because I'm not a huge stoner. Trust me, I am... But being able to vape 3 sessions a night and use less than half a gram per night and get pretty ripped off it is excellent for me. If I was combusting or using something like a Pax, that consumption would be way up.
     
    To keep it inline with the OP, it sounds like he needs something discreet and easy to pick up and learn, while conserving herbals. The MFLB did just that for me, then I decided to start expanding into other vapes...
     
    The MFLB is a decent choice for them because its a good vape to break into the vaping world if you're not sure if you want to do it. Its fairly simple to use and conserves herb, has a lifetime warranty, and has a price that isn't going to break the bank. Really its a good vape for anyone to break into the vape world; and keeps on working great if you take care of it and decide you like vaping. 
     
  20. #20 ren.dnb, Aug 15, 2014
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    While I've only been vaping about 6 months now, I don't really consider myself an experienced vaporist. Maybe in another 6 months after I've picked up my UD lol. That being said, I do know quite a few people (namely the guys at the LHS I get my supplies from) that vape exclusively from portables because of the mobility factor. Made me feel better about using portables exclusively for awhile as when I first started I thought I wasn't getting the full vapor experience from a portable. Even better, when I used a desktop (Volcano) at my buddy's house a couple of months ago. 
     
    But understanding how these things work, I see where desktops have the advantage over portables when it comes to vapor production and in some cases, efficiency. But, lately here I've been falling back to The Hammer, its almost like a little portable desktop given its butane power and ability to retain heat.
     

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