Lets Bring Ebola Home

Discussion in 'Politics' started by SlowMo, Aug 5, 2014.

  1. In the name of compassion and progress, I say we invite every disease on the planet to come home to the USA.
    [Hint to the afflicted - think southern border]
     
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  2. #2 Penelope420, Aug 5, 2014
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    Oh yes, the conspiracy theorists are really pouncing on this one, exposing their ignorance in all it's full glory.
     
    The plane has barely landed and already Alex Jones is talking about mandatory Ebola vaccines and martial law. 
     
  3. What the US is doing is brilliant.  I luv it.
     
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    No conspiracy theory here - no Alex Jones or ebola (yet). Instead, try legitimate concerns by the US Border Patrol in Texas:
     
    ABC News, 6-9-2014:
     
    "MCALLEN, TX - There's a growing health concern with hundreds of illegal immigrants crossing over into southern Texas.
    U.S. Border Patrol agents are worried that what's coming over into the U.S. could harm everyone.
    \nAgents are worrying about a viral outbreak.
    “We are sending people everywhere. The average person doesn't know what's going on down here,” said Border Patrol agent and Rio Grande Valley Union representative Chris Cabrera.
    \nCabrera says agents are seeing illegal immigrants come over with contagious infections.
    Detention centers and holding facilities have quarantined areas for those who come in sick. But Cabrera says the sick and healthy are separated only by caution tape."
    \nThat's people working on the ground in the area - not Alex Jones or some rightwing nut case. Maybe people should get their heads out of their partisan asses and do some research on what is taking place. This is beyond Left vs. Right, though the Left does seem to have a strange penchant for defending stupidity at every turn these days. Funny, they seemed a little sharper back when Bush was doing stupid shit at every turn.
     
  5. What does any of that have to do with Ebola? Ebola isn't in Mexico.
     
  6. #6 goober0331, Aug 7, 2014
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    Ebola has killed about 2500 people since the first cases in the 70's, while the seasonal flu kills around 40,000 each year in the US.
     
    Why arent we scared of the flu? Because its more media-friendly to show a horrific thing like Ebola to people than the flu.
     
    Ebola is also much harder to spread than the flu. It has almost zero airborne qualities to it (really none), while the flu transmits much easier through the air.
     
  7. have you had your vaccines? you probably have nothing to worry about if your concern is illegal immigrants from mexico
     
  8. #8 forty winks, Aug 7, 2014
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    I had a nasty American Aunt who blamed everything on the Mexicans, even her clogged drains.
     
    Edit - true story.
     
  9. The American public health officials continue to emphasize that treating those who are stricken with the deadly virus poses no risks to the public. They insist that it's not an airborne disease, and thus many are not being isolated.

    Question is, do you trust the health officials? Are you willing to bet your life on it?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnQVUf775VE
     
  10. #10 SlowMo, Aug 7, 2014
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    An important and extensively used index used by epidemiologists to rank the deadliness of a disease is the "Case Fatality Rate" (CFR), rather than the number of total deaths. 
     
    CFR is the proportion (percentage) of people diagnosed with a disease who die during the course of the disease. Rabies approaches 100% (only two people have survived, one without any treatment). Ebola is 83%. Influenza A is <0.1%
     
    For a list of diseases by CFR, see List of human disease case fatality rates.  
     
  11. Yes, a lot more than I trust bullshit YouTube videos to give me medical advice. Gotta love fear mongering. I love how the evidence is one study which makes a very tame conclusion by saying it's a possibility that it is airborne but they have no idea how, and it's dramatically less likely to spread airborne than other diseases. This is classic conspiracy YouTube theorist fear mongering and nothing more. Obviously there's a possibility this shit could spread to us but it's not the end of the world. We shouldn't shut down the entire world because this virus has killed a couple people in Africa.
     
  12. #12 SlowMo, Aug 7, 2014
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    Shut down the world? Of course not. Over-reacting is as counterproductive as dismissing the outbreak entirely. When it comes to diseases with high case fatality rates, there are none that should be dismissed as irrelevant to a nation's health given the degree of modern individual mobility. The problem isn't Ebola, per se, since it's potential for widespread infection is fairly low. The problem is US politicians that foolishly popularize and pursue policies that would further diminish the nation's abilities to monitor and prevent the influx of the next generation of mutant infectious diseases.
     
    We shouldn't be reactionary conspiracy theorists - that's a given. But neither should we be abject fools by, for whatever reasons, signaling to the world that an illegal influx across our borders will be unofficially tolerated by the Federal government, even to the exclusion of local and state government policies, as part of some supposed "compassion". That's especially so when that so-called compassion is more of a politically motivated scheme than any actual concern for people or their opportunities to live free of oppression. If the current batch of political stuffed shirts actually cared about those kinds of things, they wouldn't have sent the Romeike [German refugees - see below] family packing with zero compassion or regard for their flight from religious persecution. The Left seems to have a very limited and self-promoting view on who gets to enjoy their permissions and blessings.
     
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    The Hill, August 04, 2014
    European Union's assault on religious freedom must end
     
    "Recently, a Christian family from Germany had to seek asylum in the United States to avoid persecution for homeschooling their children. After facing fines, imprisonment, and the seizure of their children, Uwe and Hannelore Romeike came to the U.S. with their children seeking asylum in 2008, and were formally granted asylum in 2010 by an immigration judge in Memphis, Tennessee. In 2012, Attorney General Eric Holder appealed that decision and attempted to have the family deported back to Germany where they would face further persecution. In March of 2014 the appeal was denied, and the family was granted an indefinite stay in the US."
     
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    They're still here by appeal, but good ole supposed freedom-for-the-oppressed luvin Eric Holder adequately displayed the administration's real concern for the plight of "refugees". 
     
  13. Correct me if I'm wrong but basically what you are saying is that currently our border is fucked up and we need to solve that to stop the threat of Ebola from coming in this country. If you were in charge of the whole country tomorrow, how would you solve the problem of illegal immigration and ensure that no one is sneaking over our borders?
     
  14. #14 goober0331, Aug 7, 2014
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    Yes I understand, ebola has a higher mortality rate than influenza, the point was to put it into perspective. Flu causes much more harm than ebola (while having vaccines), and yet where are the headlines? I do the same thing with gun deaths. More people die in the US from car accidents than gun incidents, except, where is the coverage? Its because Ebola, just like guns, and "scarier" and generates better headlines.
     
    Also with regards to that YT video, I should of been more clear in my first post. Yes, ebola is "airborne" because you can cough/sneeze and it will survive in water droplets outside your body, which is all the study used in that YT proved, that in close proximity to other animals, it can be transmitted. That isnt some radical new thing, that was always the case with ebola, close proximity and transmission of bodily fluids. It can be called a droplet infection. However, that isnt the same as actually being airborne, and being able to travel farther distances in the air currents. 
     
    H1N1 was a more serious health risk than ebola.
     
  15. I knew I read this thread for a reason.
     
      So....it's the fucking mexican'ts that are clogging up my drain eh? I'll show them. No more eating beans or torillas for me. I will miss drinking coronas though.....
     
  16. LOL. Conservatives and liberals are destroying this ccountry together.

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  17.  
    I'm not sure what her political affiliations were, she was just our crazy Aunt.  She couldn't get over my long hair!
     
    I miss her deeply.
     
  18.  Protip: None of you will get ebola.
     
  19. i had a relative like that. dude lived thru the 60's and 70's then had the nerve criticize my hair length
     
  20. I hate that shit, people are so judgemental. People give me so much crap for having long hair, i dont get it.  

     Yeah yeah, hippies have long hair, but the same people that give us shit love willie nelson.. wtf man haha
     

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