6X Black Water Og - 400W Mh @ Veg - 1000W Hps @ Flower - Vertical - Scrog - Lst Combo - 500 Gram Yeild Goal

I'm pretty sure its not "one or the other."  Many nutrient lines market mycorr with their line.  Just because nutes are bottled in liquid form doesn't mean they are full of chemicals.  My particular line has it's ingredients taken from castings, guano, kelp, etc.  The only thing unorganic about them is the ways they concentrate the ingredients down.  The processing is un-natural and there are very low amounts of preservatives added as well.  Out of ignorance I would guess that crystallized forms of nutrients and most types of Montasano (MG) stuff would kill bennies but not typical bottled nute lines that market it for use as well.  (dehydrated is different than crystallized)  Then again, crystalized citric acid (organic ph down), is supposed to be the safest thing for organic grows. 
 
My corr is not that expensive.  Have you priced it at a grow shop?  You don't need very much.  The lil packet you saw in the picture was enough to treat 50 plants and only costs $10.  It actually came with my Roots Organics Master Pack for $48.  Out the door.   

 

I was only using the mycorr word as a quick way to write mycorrhizae because I always have to think about it in order to spell it right.   
 
This is what came with the new nutrient line I am trying out. It was the 1.8 oz.  packet.  One teaspoon is all they say to add to a 5-10 gal planter.  Then top dress 2 more times during veg.  I've seen this packet for $10> at my local store.  BY THE WAY, with Earth Juice PH DOWN, do you notice that the Ph fluctuates after mixing?  I've not used it because the GH stuff works immediately and doesn't tend to fluctuate.   
 
Oregonism XL
Roots Organics Oregonism XL is a distinctive super-soluble formulation of endo/ecto-mycorrhizae, beneficial bacteria, and Trichoderma. The species of microorganisms in our product are specifically selected for fruiting and flowering plants with a tolerance to heavy fertilizing. Mycorrhizae colonize the root zone, forming a symbiosis with the plant's roots, massively increasing the size and effective surface area, facilitating greater nutrient uptake, resistance to disease, and increased tolerance to drought. The beneficial bacteria and Trichoderma in this unique product also produce plant and root growth promoting compounds and protect against pathogens. Oregonism XL is incredibly versatile and effective in potting soil and hydroponics.

1.8 OZ | 4 OZ | 8 OZ | 16 OZ | 3 LB | 6 LB

 

Quick update.  Buds are packing on some weight!... but seemed to be slowing down so I decided to stop alternating pure water in with the coco.  The COCO is kicking the shit out of the fox farms.  The Scrog buds are commonly slightly larger than the LST buds even though they are further from the light.  A very few amber pistols are appearing.  Trichomes are standing up like trees.  I don't have a scope yet, but I am sure they all are clear.  I think I see a darkness coming from within the buds on a couple plants.  The dark purple of the best Blackwater OG pheno?  I can hope.  Other than an extra $40 on nutes I ran out of, I haven't spent anything on the current cycle of plants.   
 
5 weeks 3 days 12/12   
 
A COCO LST plant pulled out of the room.  Weight is making her spread open.

 
Scrog


 
 
Video (download only - no Youtube)   
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SO,  I am starting week 7 of 12/12 tomorrow (Day 42 today) and I am starting to think about when to flush.  Though I am not using organic nutrients, my liquid nute line is one of the closer ones to organic.  How does one flush before harvest?  3 plants are in COCO and 3 in soil.  All six were fed the entire Soul Synthetics nutrient line (which ingredients say they are derived from things like guano, castings, and kelp). I have always watered with 1 gallon per plant.  It took 2 or 3 days for the finger/lift test to tell me to water again.   I always alternated pure tap water and feeding but the COCO I have started to FEED, FEED, WATER the last 2 weeks. 
 
Do I need to run excessive amounts of water through?  Do I just only water the same amount I would normally, without nutrients?  How long should they be flushed?  I'm looking for different ideas and opinions.  It would be awesome if this would start an argument, because I may learn more that way.                           THANKS! 

 

Yep, that is what I do.  1 gal for nutes, and 1 gallon during water.  And I only am having to water or feed every 2 or 3 days.  4-5 days will only mean 2 waterings.   I have not had any issues with salt build-up.  I do get run-off each time, but I doubt it is 25%.   I am only in 5 gallon plastic containers.  I do have to admit that my plants seem much too green to do a short flush.  I didn't defoliate or lolli pop much at all.  So maybe they are staying green on top by getting the N from the bottom. 
 
Before I transplanted them into the COCO, I did wash each 5 gallon planter with 25 to 35 gallons of tap water.  It took a full day to run the water through and another week for the coco to dry out.  I have not had a single sign of calcium or magnesium deficiency and I have not used a drop of cal-mag... I think I attribute this to using tap water that starts at 140ppm. 
 
People advised me I should flush once a month, but because my plants looked perfectly healthy the whole way thru, I didn't do it.  I let my runoff evaporate every time, and I would poke out the salt looking build-up in my drainage holes every time I saw it when feeding or watering. 
 
I do think my plants should be yellower at this point, but they aren't.  FFOF or COCO.  I don't want a harsh smoke, but I still think their is room for the plants to bulk up... and my inexperience as a grower makes me think te longer I feed, the bigger they may get.  Maybe I will feed this week, and let them have 2 weeks with just water.  I will cut, wet trim, and hang one plant a day starting with the LST on day  62 (week8day6 12/12) and finish the last SCROG plant on day 67 (week9day4 12/12).
 
Does my two week water only sound sufficient to get a good smoke?  Cali Connection recommends my strain go 9 weeks anyways. 
 I just hope I get the black color Black Water OG is supposed to have.  It has this crazy lemony scent that the reviews claim don't come from the dark purple pheno.

 

I notice the Grow-N says it holds 8% calcium, so I am assuming the mag comes from the Infinity which is also used through veg and flower.  When you use the entire line, it seems pretty solid.  Soul Synthetics is the first legitimate nute line I've used.  I saw a very large difference in using it in COCO vrs, FFOF.  I do admit the FFOF vegged way better with the same feeding schedule.  I won't pass judgment until I know my harvest weights, but  I am not greatly impressed with bud size thus far.  I may be considering using Soul's veg schedule, but switching my flower cycle to another line more well known for density and weight.   
 
Don't get me wrong, these buds are dense, but I think they are lacking something when following the SS schedule.  The PPM I'm giving them is at 750.  Does this seem low for almost 3 ounces of nutrients per gallon?  Expensive flowering time.
 
EDIT!  I misquoted the 3 oz. of nutrients per gallon.  It is closer to 1.3 oz. per gallon on average throughout the plants entire cycle.  For me, 6 gallons of nutrient solution  is 1 feeding.  I feed less than twice a week during flower and about once a week during early veg.   We will call it 1.5 feedings per week.   SO!  Here is the math breakdown on what I spend on the Soul Synthetics bottled nute line...
 
1.3 oz. per gallon X 6 gallons = 7.8 oz per feeding.  X 1.5 feedings a week = 11.7 oz. of nutrients per week.
 
11.7 oz. of nutrients X 14 weeks = 163.8 OZ of nutrient solution for my 1,000 watt grow cycle. 
 
Soul Synthetics price on a quart of nutes varies from $15 - $40.  A good average would be $24 per quart. 
 
163.8oz/32oz. = 5.1 quarts X $24 per/quart = $122 for my 1,000 watt grow.
 
$8.75 per week has been spent on nutrients.  Not bad when you break it down. 

 

THANKS!
 
Im actually at day 44 today and I will be taking the 1st plant to day 62, 2nd to 63, 3rd to 64... etc.  I'm doing this so I can wet trim a little at a time while the othrs are still putting on weight.  I am feeding exactly as the SS schedule says and when I tds after mixing, I am currently around 750 ppm... and my water starts at 120 - 150ppm.  Seems low to me... but I'm not gonna change anything until my next run only if my weights aren't where I want them to be. 
 
When I was finishing veg and starting bloom the schedule had me feeding at 1150ppm.  Then the sched. kicked out the veg nutes and ppm dropped to the level it is at now.  I have caught from your past posts how you like heavy feeding... I just am not sure its necessary, and if I can save a few bucks, so be it.  Eventually I would like to mix my own nutrients from bulk materials... a $50 bottle usually only has $1 of chemicals... interesting, eh?  The mixing process is the expensive part so I hear, but If you are doing it on the 55 gallon barrel level, it doesn't seem like it would be to hard.  I used to work for a company who mixed liquid supplements for cattle and we would sell a truckload for $100,000 when our invoices were only at around $8,000.  Having a consistant mix that tests the same and doesn't settle is the key.
 
I'm sure the soul synthetics line has been adjusted for cal/mag... I have had ZERO deficiencies this whole grow.  The only issues were a slow start because I was PHing improperly at first.  If you want to try out SOUL SYNTHETICS, grab a Player Pack.  They cost lessthan $50 and would be enough to take 2 plants in 10 gallon planters all the way to harvest.  My 6 were in 5 gallon planters and I ran out of Infinity and Amino Aide at the end of a 6-7 week veg and Big Swell half way into flower.     

 

They seem to explode but other times they seem to be slowing.  I don't have good access into my area, especially the scrog, so I only see the tops but when I take somtime to spread them out I am like HOLY SHIT!  Some are getting monstrous and some are looking average.  I trained my LST plants into 20-30 tops a piece... the smallest tops look like they will eventually weigh an 1/8 dry and the largest seem like they may get between a 1/4 and a 1/2 dry.  I hope to do well, but I have to admit I go thru bi-polar periods wondering how I am really going to do.
 
To be happy, I need well over a lb. for my one 1K light. I am hoping for 24 oz. this grow... 4 zips a plant.  High expectations and I will likely be disappointed, but, ya never know...
 
Still no yellowing on top.  
When I was vegging, I was SO excited, I was leaving for work and coming home to see 4-5 inches of growth.  Most people call VEG boring, but for me it was more excited then Flower. 

 

I misquoted the 3 oz. of nutrients per gallon.  It is closer to 1.3 oz. per gallon on average throughout the plants entire cycle.  For me, 6 gallons of nutrient solution  is 1 feeding.  I feed less than twice a week during flower and about once a week during early veg.   We will call it 1.5 feedings per week.   SO!  Here is the math breakdown on what I spend on the Soul Synthetics bottled nute line...
 
1.3 oz. per gallon X 6 gallons = 7.8 oz per feeding.  X 1.5 feedings a week = 11.7 oz. of nutrients per week.
 
11.7 oz. of nutrients X 14 weeks = 163.8 OZ of nutrient solution for my 1,000 watt grow cycle. 
 
Soul Synthetics price on a quart of nutes varies from $15 - $40.  A good average would be $24 per quart. 
 
163.8oz/32oz. = 5.1 quarts X $24 per/quart = $122 for my 1,000 watt grow.
 
$8.75 per week has been spent on nutrients.  Not bad when you break it down. 

 

Ninja Turtle, this is for you.
 
WEEK 6 DAY 4 12/12 - Day 46
 
LST plant in COCO pulled out the room:
 
SCROG SHOT(3'X4') 3 plants 2 FFOF, 1 COCO:
 
VIDEO of the next round of clones, 360 degree of the single LST in COCO, Another in COCO that is toppling over, A Fox Farms LST that shows half the weight of the COCO LST, and the 3ft by 4ft Scrog.  In the Scrog I have 1 in COCO on the left and 2 in FFOF on the right.
 
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I am slacking big time with the clones.  They are growing very slow under 2 7800K 14 watt fishtank lights  and a single 2700K 23 watt CFL.  My new flower room will be the room you see the LST in ... 150 sq. ft!... My veg will be in the existing flower room.  Soon I will hang my 400 watt MH so the next round will start putting on some girth.   
 
They are growing in an amended coco, soil, perlite, peat hybrid called Formula 707.  I think 4 will stay in this, under the scrog net and will be fed by the Roots Organics 5 ml bottled nutrient line.  The remaining 5 will be placed around the scrog capturing a more indirect light.  These 5 will be in a undecided COCO and will remain fed by the Soul Synthetics line.   
 
The clones taken from this 2nd round will be placed in my vertical chamber I have not finished.  Please stay tuned for, "Thinking Outside the Box, Inside the Box."