Just Took Some Clones, Need Some Advice

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  1. So I literally JUST took three GSC clones and three Larry OG clones. Dipped them in honey, since I have no rooting hormone, stuck them in soil, clipped the leaves, watered them, and now they're in my bathroom (because of the humidity) under 2 23w CFLs for now.

    What can I do to ensure at least like one of each strain survives...? Any nutrients or anything I should add to the soil? How long should it take for then to root? How will I know when they have, since they're in soil?
     
  2. #2 snoopdog6502, Jul 26, 2014
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  3. Ok great, thanks.

    Yeah I've been wanting to build one of those, if not an Aerocloner for a while now. I've got everything but net pots and so far I can't be bothered to order 'em lol. So I'm just using the be
    At option I've got at the moment.
     
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    I have 3 aeroponic square spray-bars I just need the pump. Found them at a recycling center. the spray nozzles alone are spendy.
     
  5. I built my entire aerocloner for about 50$ and I just took two BlackJack clones literally 12 hours ago... mine are under two 23w mixed cfl but I dont have mine covered so I'll let you know how it goes...

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  6. #6 StaffOfPower, Jul 26, 2014
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    Snoop: I actually have some really great spray nozzles. They actually emit more of a mist than a spray, which I heard is preferable. I also have a pump, a bin to use as the box itself, and I also have a digital aquarium heater to put in the reservoir to control the temp of the water very specifically. Really all I need is some PVC and the net pots haha. Perhaps I'll get around to that this weekend.

    Hemphugger: right on, please do! Good luck!
     
  7. Alright guys, got another question about this. I forgot to mention, I have a small 15x15 diode led panel. Red and blue leds. My question is, since I already have this, would this possibly be better to put my clones under? It literally puts off zero heat, and I feel like I'd also be able to fit a few more under this light. Will it supply the necessary light to make the cuttings root, tho?

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    Let me know what you think. I wanna do everything possible to give these the highest success rate, and the main reason for asking this is because I noticed today that the cfls burn kinda warm, and they had dried the soil out a bit.
     
  8. I put 2 afgoo and 2 candyland clones in happy frog soil after soaking them in thrive alive B-1 like 6 days ago. They seem good I'll let you know how they rooted when I go for the transplant later this week.


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  9. Alright, cool I'd appreciate hearing your results. I used to have a supplement like that, but I'm out at the moment.

    No input from anyone on the lights...? Should I leave them under the 2700k 23w cfls or should I put 'em under the led panel I posted a pic of above?
     
  10. I know nothing about CFL's in using a 400w MH for veg and a 400w HPS for budding.


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  11. I would favour a couple of CFLs over that LED light, but it may work. I think those are about 15 watts and aren't much good for growing anything. They are very dim. I own  one but have never used it. I got a refund shortly after receiving it as it was nothing like how it was advertised.... But for rooting it might work. I used to use two 10w fluorescent tubes for rooting up until just a few years ago 
     
  12. Here's what I use to clone 
     
    £11 DIY 6 Site Cloner: http://youtu.be/JPAgNBBHkqA
     
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  13. #13 StaffOfPower, Jul 28, 2014
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    GoldGrower: Thanks for the input! I know my led wouldn't be good for vegging or anything like that. The reason I'm even considering it is because once before I had a clone under it in a clear solo cup. I watched one root in particular grow a good inch over the course of 24 hours. That, and the fact that I could fit more cuttings at once in the area of illumination that the panel provides vs that of the CFLs.

    However, I had also used a 5000k 23w CFL for a good portion of a week prior to receiving the LED panel so I'm not sure if the growth came strictly from the LED. Regardless, I don't have a Daylight CFL on hand at the moment. Just warm white / 2700k.

    Like I said, I am still fairly new to clones, so I'm all ears. I just want these things to survive. Amazing genetics, amazing strains. And I noticed that the lower pair of leaves on some of the cuttings seem to be yellowing fast.

    So what would YOU do, given that information that I just gave, about the past experience with the LED? That, or 2700k CFL?

    And wow, thanks for that info! Beautiful roots!
     
  14. By what you have said it sounds like the panel works. They only need enough light to keep things ticking over. I suspect a couple of 20w would speed It up a little though. I have used 6400k and 2700k CFLs, 4000k fluorescent tubes, HPS, metal halide with no real time difference in rooting time. I will be using my 144x 3w LED panel next.
     
    The biggest difference I have found in rooting times is the right moisture levels. My fastest rooting time was 3 days and that was with peat pucks and a heat mat under them. Keeping the moisture level takes daily effort so that's why I prefer the aeroponic bucket I showed in the video. It takes a week but the work involved when cutting them is almost non existent and while they are rooting I don't even need to look at them. I just cut them a week or two before I need them and they are done.
     
     Genetics play the biggest part I think. When I'm cloning different plants roots will show at various times, but when it's clones of the same plant they all show roots within a day of each other. Although when cloning with DWC I found roots would first form on the cuttings that were closest to the air stone
     
  15. One of the BlackJack clones, #2 to be exact is spitting out a tiny lil hair root.... :)

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  16. GoldGrower: Again, thanks so much for your input. I actually got a lot done today.
    What I decided to do, is to just leave these clones under the CFLs, with a baggy for humidity, moist soil, and 18 hours light. We'll see how they do.

    However, I also set up a bubble cloner/DWC cloner, just until I obtain the last materials I need to set up the aero cloner. Won't be long for that.

    Anyway, I have the bubble cloner under my led panel. No cuttings in it yet but I am taking some very early in the am, before it gets hot. I have an air pump rated for a 55 gallon aquarium going into it. 2 stones, in opposite corners. The led is also programmed for the same light schedule as the CFLs. Both fixtures have been moved to shelves on opposing walls in my grow closet. It will be very easy to compare the efficacy of each set up. Rooting time may be determined by moisture, but it seems to me (correct me if I'm wrong) that with more optimal temperature and light spectrum, the leaves may not yellow so fast.

    Hemphugger: Damn, very nice! That's quick as hell! Hopefully my bubble cloner will work half that good! I am very confident that the Aerocloner I plan on building will be insanely efficient. Just because of the spray nozzles I have, and the heater to control water temp. Crazy-fine, warm, mist? How could that go wrong.
     
  17. Warm nutrient solution increases the risk of rot, so be careful with that.
     
    Rooting clones in very low EC water can have them showing major deficiencies fast. I haven't got conclusive evidence yet and I know it goes against tradition but I believe having them root in an EC of around 0.50 is best. The last time I did this rooting was fastest and very little yellowing.
     
  18. I actually didn't know that, but I'm honestly just planning on having the heater in there to stabilize it at like ~75F. Nothing more. I heard that cool water can be bad for clones.
     
  19. I'm not sure what the optimum temperature of the NS is, I have never experimented with it. When I used to clone in peat pucks warming the root zone to about 25-27℃ sped things up, but the problem with doing it in hydro is that warmer water holds less oxygen and can allow anaerobic bacteria to set in. I guess there must be an optimal temperature but I don't know what it is. 
     
    The temperature of my NS last time I checked was 24℃ which is higher than I prefer but I didn't have problems. The clones were only in there for about 10 days. The weather had suddenly got hotter which helped raise the NS temps. Normally they are about 20℃.  Adding h2o2 will add oxygen while killing bacteria so may be worth doing. 
     
  20. Right, I know about warm water and oxygen from aquarium keeping. I'll be sure to look back on this when I build the more sophisticated Aerocloner.

    I don't have a heater in my bubble cloner at all for the moment. Everything seems to be going fine with my clones so far, except for one strain, a Sativa strain, where the leaves are turning up / canoeing. What could be the problem? Should the clones be submerged in the water or hovering right above it...?
     

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