Question About Lumens And Cannabis

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by IIGooGII, Jul 25, 2014.

  1. Okay, so I am in the planning stages of a pretty large grow tent (I think the dimensions I would like to get is 118x60x78, so, pretty large for a tent). I have never grown before and I'm still gathering knowledge and putting together a shopping list. In order for me to maximize the potential of this tent, I would like to know a few more things about lumens, so I can figure out exactly how many lumens I need in order for the operation to be optimal and ideal and to provide the healthiest environment for my plants.
     
    Question 1: When somebody refers to "optimal lumens" for plant growth, this is measured by ft<sup>2</sup> correct?
     
    Question 2: If it is measured by ft<sup>2</sup>, then does that mean square feet of the overall plant size or the room you have available to grow?
     
    Question 3: Does anybody know the general optimal lumen range for growing cannabis during the flowering stage? (I will mostly be focusing on growing auto-flowering, feminized seeds, so there will be no need for additional lighting/tents. This way I can plant my seeds in their final buckets and let them do their thing on a good, solid light schedule. Just need to make sure I can calculate and factor in enough light for the babies.)
     
    Question 4: I need to double check my math, so at 118x60x78 I think I calculated something like 323.4 ft<sup>3</sup> in the tent (empty, not including lights/hoods), does that sound right? And that would be measured like ft<sup>3</sup>, right?
     
    I'm just trying to understand some more of this before I really jump into it. I'm excited, and would love to jump into it, but that's sometimes how you fail. I would just like a solid plan and a solid setup so that I can save up some money, make my purchases and begin growing in an optimal environment. Do note that this project will probably be underway sometime next year or so, so not really any time soon, I just want to get the setup right the first time for what I will be growing.
     
    I do thank everybody who read this in advance for any advice you're able to give.

     
  2. I would suggest looking into PAR and PPFD which are more accurate ways of looking into plant lighting... Lumens are for humans is the general phrase used by growers because lumens rate a lights brightness how a human would see it... plants don't use light the same as humans and "see" light spectrums quite differenently, therefore lumens are not really the correct unit of measurement for plant lighting.
     
    Generally you want between 500-700 UMOL or micromoles per m2/s2 which is a measurement of the total amount of photons available within the range of 400-700nm (the photosynthetic action spectrum) for cannabis to properly flower. Usually most light manufacturers will have a "optimal" footprint rating  in which this is where light should be intense enought to flower cannabis...so for instance your tent is a 5'x10' tent....
    Most 1000w HID lights cover about a 4'x4' to 5'x5' section but within that spread or footprint....how intense is the light...? are you hitting 500+ umol? if so then you know that 2x 1000w HID lights would cover your tent appropriately at the given height as advertised to hit 500+ umol....
     
    Hope this helps ya out.
     
  3. alot of growers shoot for 50w psf of hid. sq footage is the measurement of the canopy area.
     
    Icemud is exactly right also.
     
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    Quite right. I also test the high lumen HPS 1000W  155000lm and high PAR HPS 1000w 138000lm, and found high lumen HPS has 8 to 9 times green light than high PAR HPS, less blue light even half red light, so high lumen HPS just waste energy.
     
  5. Do you have testing equipment? always on the hunt for quality info. Share if you do.
     
    thanks
     
  6.  
    Yes, we have, what info you want to know?
     
  7. I would love to know any data on any light you have tested lol!! if you do have par measurements you would be willing to share would be great. it is nice to see data from an independent source.
     
    What lights are you using? what equipment do you have? what lights have you tested? what do you think of the Emerson effect and cannabis?  
     
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    We are HID manufacture, mainly use quantum meter to test HPS, accurate to 0.01μmol/s 
     
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    left one 155000lm HPS high lumen light, right one 138000lm HPS grow light,  how to read the sitauation like 449nm? 1.03262E-02 equal to 10.3263E-03 ,so right one has better intensity.
    Then you can compare every wavelength, which one have better spectrum for plants? the PAR of right one is 2100μmol/s
    ,left one only around 1700μmol/s. See red light 660nm, just half of real grow light
     
  10. The honest advice that should be given here, is get a couple small grows under your belt before you go so big. Buy one light, and learn the basics on small scale with your wallet still full. Lol. Since you said your a first time grower is the only reason I say this. Indoor gardening is fun and can be quite simple but on the other hand can be just a complete nightmare. You need not only know about lighting, but also ventilation, circulation, rh, pH, proper feeding techniques, controlling temps, proper soil maintenance/ proper hydro maintenance, odor control, etc,etc,etc.. And like everyone in these forums had to at one time do, you will need to learn to fine art of having patience. These plants take their time and ones impatience will not produce more or grow faster.
    And yes you can soak your head with knowledge til your eyes bleed reading forums, but trust, grow a few 2-3 plant runs before attempting a huge grow. All the knowledge on the world you can hold, but you will still feel so clueless at the sight of a burnt tip, yellowing or browning of a leaf, pests, molds, disease, etc. So just get some hands on.

    Peace.

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  11. #11 GoldGrower, Aug 13, 2014
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    This is a rough guide for people starting up an HID grow. It may or may not help, here goes 
     
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  12. That is cool!! I think this is most helpful. I did something like this to try and explain myself to this guy. he stops me looks at me all serious and says "are you an engineer?". I am not so i thought it was funny. made me think of it. 
     

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