If Taxes Ceased To Exist, Would The Rich Support The Government?

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  1. #41 LuxSpiritus, Jul 26, 2014
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    The political party was adopted from Italy I just said that. They had an alligence with Benito Musseoini. Why don't you check up on your history. It was never violent. Hitler just used his power to commit genocide. Now Fascism/Nazism is considered a rascist movement. But the party still exists, because the nazi's were just the name of the fascist party of Germany, no correlation with the military. The Nazi government.
     
    Nazi Germany and the Third Reich are common names for Germany during the period from 1933 to 1945, when its government was controlled by Adolf Hitler and his National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP), commonly known as the Nazi Party. Under Hitler's rule, Germany was transformed into a fascist totalitarian state which controlled nearly all aspects of life. Nazi Germany ceased to exist after the Allied Forces defeated Germany in May 1945, ending World War II in Europe.
     
    Why don't you read something for once?

     
  2. I saw this. And that was the first i thought of. But also the electrical components are very expensive and require a lot of natural resources, As in Diamonds, Gold, Copper, Coal. All expensive non renewable resources, It isn't possible in the slightest. And to replace the roads would take over 50 years while they are still in use. I just don't see it happening. We'll have flying cars first, which I already have a general idea for a method. Which involves electro magnetic fields of current with diffisuion and repulseive fields to levitate cars with the fields seperation, Every field has to be set at the same charge to induce the repulsion mechanism, also preventing other vehicles from colliding because they will repel. Although it can get more confusing with magnetic monopoles, and alternative current. Nothing that I think I could think of on my own. It's an ingenius method that hasn't got enough research. I thought of it in high school lol. I'm guessing it's out there somewhere.
     
  3. #43 Runningw235, Jul 27, 2014
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    Okay, yeah maybe certain elements before it all came together. I misunderstood your analogy. I thought you  were referring to the entire collective effort.
     
  4. Don't forget, Hitler was an individual ... first.
     
  5. Would that force be established by government? Would this have still been when Cheney was in office? Would this force be considered an official branch of the government?

    My understanding is that the SS was recognized by the Nazi party as an official government department/agency, and possessed certain powers granted by the government at the time.
     
  6. If the militant is created by the head of government. How could it not be affliciated.
    And don't get me wrong. Hitler was one of the greatest influential leaders of history discerning his actions in the holocoust.
    Much like Stalin he was able to pull Germany out of the economical shithole it had been in. That's exactly what he did.
    He restored Germany to a world power. A powerful leader can change a country better than no other man, only with his words.
    The Cruelest leaders are the best for their rulings. United sociaslism lead to the civilian population supporting a strong army. Which is exactly what Hitler provided. It wasn't private the country supported it as the military of the country. Hitler was Germany.
     
    \t fu·ror/ˈfyo͝orˌôr,-É™r/
     
    \t\t\t\tnoun
    \t\t\t\t
    1. an outbreak of public anger or excitement
      \t\t\t\t\t \t\t\t\t
    \t\tThey called him the Furor cause he was able to motivate Germany to fight the circumstances that had plagued them for 20 years.
    He used his powerful leadership to use for his own personal means which reflects the bad side of him, he's a pretty fucked up person.
    I havn't read Mein Kampf. But it was one of the most intellectual books on government structure and ideology. Let alone it did have some of his deep dark plans for his rule. He literally planned out his whole life in a book. And how great he would make the country he had so much pride in. But it ended all bad.
    Great speaker. Great leader. Horrible person. Common occurance.
     
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    I think he was called Führer 
     
  8. Führer m (genitive Führers, plural Führer)
    1. leader; someone who determines the actions of a group\t
    2. guide; a person who gives directions or provides help to navigate unknown terrain (especially in compounds)\t
    3. guide; a person who provides information about any topic\t
    4. guidebook; a text which provides information about a topic\t
    5. director, manager, commander; a person in charge of something or someone (especially in compounds)
    Yeah in Germany it means leader. It's a double entendre.
     
  9. It's a double entendre between German and English?
     
  10. Yes in the context. The word furor was first used by Hitler as a title for a leader.
     
    \t\tfuror (n.)\t\t\tlate 15c., from Middle French fureur, from Latin furor "a ravaging, rage, madness, passion;" related to furia "rage, passion, fury" (see fury).\t\t\t \t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tFuhrer (n.)\t\t\t\t\t\t\t1934, from Führer und Reichskanzler, title assumed by Hitler in 1934 as head of the German state, from German Führer "leader," from führen "to lead," from Middle High German vüeren "to lead, drive," from Old High German fuoren "to set in motion, lead," causative of Old High German faran "to go, travel," which is cognate with Old English faran (see fare (v.)). Hitler's title was modeled on Mussolini's Duce.\t\t
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    Many European language words stem from a similar context, Usually latin. I'm not certain about the etymological comparison of these words. But it reflects the exact nature of how the word is applied in it's use. I'm guessing the word roots have some history basis. That stems between leadership and the leader himself.
     
  11. No the federal reserve would still run the country privatized banks don't follow logic haha
     
  12. Bring back Hamilton's national banking system. That twat Andrew Jackson.
     
  13. Alexander Hamilton?
     
  14. Yes Yes.
     
  15. My answer to the OP: HELL THE FUCK NO!!!
     
  16. #56 *ColtClassic*, Jul 27, 2014
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    He was a Rothschild agent who helped push for the first central banks (Rothschild owned, of course) of the US. Not someone I would look up to...
     
  17. #57 LuxSpiritus, Jul 27, 2014
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    Actually it was considered a great success and money management for the country. It was started by Hamilton but reformed.
     
    The Second Bank of the United States was authorized for a 20-year period during James Madison's tenure in 1816. In 1832, the issue materialized as part of a campaign strategy orchestrated by Henry Clay that ultimately failed, but signaled the end for the bank – four years before it was necessary, the bank applied for a recharter. Jackson vetoed the bill.<sup>[41]</sup> In Jackson's veto message, he conceded that a national bank may be "convenient", it is "subversive of the rights of the States, and dangerous to the liberties of the people." He went on to call the bank a "monopoly" that hindered the common man, whom he strived to represent as president.<sup>[58]</sup> Moreover, Jackson thought America should be an "agricultural republic", and that the bank hindered that notion, as it favored northeastern states over southern and western ones, and that it "improved the fortunes of commercial and industrial businesses at the expense of farmers and laborers."<sup>[59]</sup>
     
    <sup>The Second Bank of the United States, located in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, was the second federally authorized Hamiltonian National Bank<sup>[3]</sup> in the United States during its 20-year charter from February 1816<sup>[4]</sup> to January 1836.<sup>[5]</sup></sup>
    <sup>A private corporation with public duties, the bank handled all fiscal transactions for the US Government, and was accountable to Congress and the US Treasury. Twenty percent of its capital was owned by the federal government, the Bank's single largest stockholder<sup>[6]</sup><sup>[7]</sup> Four thousand private investors held 80% of the Bank's capital, including one thousand Europeans. The bulk of the stocks were held by a few hundred wealthy Americans.<sup>[8]</sup> In its time, the institution was the largest monied corporation in the world.<sup>[9]</sup></sup>
    <sup>The essential function of the Bank was to regulate the public credit issued by private banking institutions through the fiscal duties it performed for the US Treasury, and to establish a sound and stable national currency.<sup>[10]</sup><sup>[11]</sup> The federal deposits endowed the BUS with its regulatory capacity.<sup>[5]</sup><sup>[12]</sup></sup>
    <sup>Modeled on Alexander Hamilton's First Bank of the United States,<sup>[13]</sup> the Second Bank was chartered by President James Madison in 1816 and began operations at its main branch in Philadelphia on January 7, 1817,<sup>[14]</sup><sup>[15]</sup> managing twenty-five branch offices nationwide by 1832.<sup>[16]</sup></sup>
    <sup>The efforts to renew the Bank's charter put the institution at the center of the general election of 1832, in which the Bank's president Nicholas Biddle and pro-Bank National Republicans led by Henry Clay clashed with the "hard-money"<sup>[17]</sup><sup>[18]</sup>Andrew Jackson administration and eastern banking interests in the Bank War.<sup>[19]</sup><sup>[20]</sup> Failing to secure recharter, the Second Bank of the United States became a private corporation in 1836,<sup>[5]</sup><sup>[21]</sup> and underwent liquidation in 1838.<sup>[22]</sup></sup>
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    <sup>The Second Bank of the United States was America's central bank, comparable to the Bank of England and the Bank of France, with one key distinction – the United States government owned one-fifth (20%) of its capital. Whereas other central banks of that era were wholly private, the BUS was more characteristic of a government bank.<sup>[95]</sup></sup>
    <sup>Under its charter, the Bank had a capital limit of $35 million, $7.5 million of which represented the government-owned share. The central bank was required to remit a "bonus" payment of $1.5 million, payable in three installments,<sup>[7]</sup> to the government for the privilege of using the public funds, interest free, in its private banking ventures.<sup>[96]</sup> The institution was answerable for its performance to the US Treasury and Congress<sup>[97]</sup> and subject to Treasury Department inspection.<sup>[7]</sup></sup>
    <sup>As exclusive fiscal agent for the federal government,<sup>[98]</sup> it provided a number of services as part of its charter including: holding and transfer of all US deposits, payment and receipt of all government transactions, and processing of tax payments.<sup>[99]</sup> In other words, the BUS was "the depository of the federal government, which was its principal stockholder and customer".<sup>[100]</sup></sup>
    <sup>The chief personnel for the Bank comprised twenty-five directors, five of whom were appointed by the President of the United States, subject to Senate approval.<sup>[7]</sup> Federally appointed directors were barred from acting as officials in other banks. Two of the three BUS presidents, William Jones and Nicholas Biddle, were chosen from among these government directors.<sup>[97]</sup></sup>
    <sup>Headquartered in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the Bank was authorized to establish branch offices where it deemed suitable and these were immune from state taxation.<sup>[7]</sup></sup>
    <sup>It's actually a much better system. Instead of tons of privately owned bands holding funds from the public. It was used by addressing shares into the bank. Which would be exchanged into services, and you could pay off these shares whenever you were able to. As well as receive interest for your participation in the bank. So instead of private banks holding money, the government bank holds it as shares that investors and loan seekers can seek to take advantage of. Money is widespread. and the money never leaves the capitol  And the physical value is kept. It's a much better money management system. Banks cause a lot of problems in people who don't know how accounting, and money management work. and general banking.</sup>
     
  18. All we have to do is bring back the green back or give authority of the federal reserve to the treasury how it should be

    ¡satan has tricked the world into thinking he does not exist!
     
  19. Out of the goodness of our heart? Cmon man use your brain a bit. How does every single industry on earth other than government get their money?
    LOL. The only difference between state and private police is that state police still get paid if they abuse power where as private police lose buisness
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  20. that would require governmental privatization of certain industries. So they'd need to rake in billions of dollars in excess to expenses AND provide public services? That's quite the undertaking.

    And whereas private security and police are similar, if a private security officer knocked on your door, would you let them in?
     

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