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What About Purecbd.net, Their Claims And Their Products?

Discussion in 'Medical Marijuana Usage and Applications' started by snaggleface, Jul 24, 2014.

  1. Anybody checked out the new site purecbd.net?
     
    I find the thought of higher potency, more affordable, purer CBD oil most welcome. Some things I'm wondering about though are:
    • Are they a scam? (Seems odd to me they don't really have a brand, have no contact info, don't identify who they are)
    • Are the accusations they post about "Dixie Elixirs unfit for human consumption" based in fact?

     
  2. #2 snaggleface, Jul 31, 2014
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    Well I'm on the verge of ordering some CBD oil from them (or not) because supply from RSHO is running low.
     
    Is there another forum where I wouldn't just be talking to myself, and might have a better chance of seeing a reply from someone who knows anything about purecbd.net and/or the allegations against Dixie Elixirs?
     
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  3. #3 snaggleface, Jul 31, 2014
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    I just found in some comments on mmjbusinessdaily.com a copy of allegations by Tamar Wise, followed by a rebuttal from Dixie Botanicals:
    1. \t\tJuly 23rd, 2014 at 1:54 am
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      \t\tHere's the alleged posting by Ms. Wise:
      \tI am tired of so called CBD companies claiming that what they provide is medicine. Anyone using a CBD from hemp product please be aware of what you're actually getting because it is not what you think. These formulations start with a crude and dirty hemp paste (contaminated with microbial life! I have seen this and these organisms decompose the paste. The paste perhaps even contains residual solvent and other toxins as the extraction is done in China ) made in a process that actually renders it unfit for human consumption.
      \tWhat these companies are doing is criminal and dangerous. In fact MJNA's RSHO is literally just this hemp paste diluted in hemp seed oil. No refinement at all!!! And what Dixie Botanicals is offering is beyond disturbing. I cannot keep quiet any more. And since I formulated most of these products as head of Dixie science, I feel responsible for spreading the truth. I left Dixie for ethical reasons but it is not enough to just walk away. These frauds need to be exposed for what they are. Look out for my tell all article coming soon and feel free to contact me directly with questions as it is time to blow the whistle. Let's keep this industry pure and safe.” - Tamar Wise, formerly head of Dixie Science.
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      \tHere's the most recent press release from Dixie Botanicals denouncing the actions taken by Tamar Wise:
      \tDixie Botanicals, Denver CO – November 26, 2013
      \tIt has come to our attention that Dixie's former head of science has recently made several salacious accusations about the quality and efficacy of our Dixie Botanicals Cannabidiol (CBD) Hemp Oil Wellness product. While typically, we would not respond to any unfounded allegations, we felt that we needed to speak up. These blatantly false comments are causing fear and ultimately harm to the thousands of people who every day benefit from Dixie Botanical's products.
      \tDixie Botanical's prides itself on the quality and efficacy of our products. We use the highest quality raw material and rigorously test each batch of our products to ensure that they meet the highest standards. All of our products are designed to meet FDA ingredient and labeling compliance and we obtain Certificate of Analysis (CoA) on each batch of raw material to ensure that it is clean of any microbials or solvents, and is high in hemp-based CBD.
      \tWe are shocked by Ms. Wise's allegations that we do not thoroughly test our products as she was responsible for and oversaw these efforts during her tenure as Dixie's Head of Science from July 5th, 2011 to August 2nd, 2013. To suggest that we use bad product is not only an indictment of the Company, but of Ms. Wise herself and her own scientific practices. To prove the point, we have published test results, including microbial tests, CoA confirmation tests, and product test from the later part of Ms. Wise's tenure. Needless to say, all raw materials and final product passed our rigorous testing procedures. To view these, please go tohttp://DixieBotanicals.com/lab-certified-quality/
      \tMs. Wise and members of her Science team resigned after a dispute with the Company. They believed they were entitled to ownership of intellectual property that was created while they were paid employees of the Company. Clearly, we disagreed since we believed this was part of their job description and we funded their entire research. We accepted their resignation and quickly filled the Head of Science position with Shellene Suemori, a Cellular and Molecular Biologist who has worked on several NASA funded projects. She continues to bring Dixie Botanicals and the science behind our products to the next level.
      \tDixie Botanical is disappointed in Ms. Wise and her tactics. We understand that she and the other employees that resigned are embarking on a new endeavor called Big Hemp, a company that will compete directly with Dixie Botanicals. This clarifies, in our mind, the objectives of Ms. Wise's remarks and makes it even more apparent that her motives are less than genuine.
      \tWe have no ill feelings towards Ms. Wise and no interest in fighting with former employees – this industry is too small and our mission too big. However, we do have a responsibility to our investors, our employees and most importantly, our customers to not allow the actions of a disgruntled individual harm the hard work of our team.
      \tWe hope this is the end of this story. If not, we are prepared to resort to any and all legal remedies at our disposal to protect the integrity of our company and ensure our customers trust the high standards to which we measure ourselves.
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  4. Rsho is a scam and poor attempt to confuse people looking for RSO - Rick Simpson oil. Notice the nearly matching acronyms?

    Secondly, the allegations are worth consideration. Notice how Dixie did not mention where their paste is sourced from?

    These allegations afaik have been associated with kannaway, rsho mostly. First I've heard relating the Dixie but they've had plenty of other quality issue troubles.

    Its likely no one replied because this topic has been posted over and over again. Search for rsho or hemp oil on these boards to read further.

    In short.... It comes absolutely nowhere near the same medicinal and therapeutic potency of cannabis whole plant extracts. And there is still legit concern those hemp oil cos are sourcing from China industrial byproduct.
     
  5. #5 snaggleface, Aug 1, 2014
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    Really? The topic of purecbd.net, their products, and whether they are a scam has been posted over and over again? My searching of the forum here may be faulty because I'm finding precious little on this topic.
     
    Purecbd claims "we use only the finest organic CBD Oil produced by using the highest standards. Every single ingredient is food grade.", etc. and they post Tamar's allegations about Dixie, as if they're in her camp. Is Tamar affiliated with purecbd.net? 
     
    I do now see that searching "RSHO" as you suggested brings up a lot on purecbd.net's more established competitor RSHO though, thank you.
     
    I haven't seen a 100% convincing reason yet to believe or disbelieve Tamar's allegations BTW.
     
     
     
    Man that must be nice for people in Colorado etc. to have whole plant cannabis extracts legally available. For patients in lousier states though I'd be interested in whether there are studies or other compelling evidence beyond general theory, philosophy, etc. to back up the "nowhere near the same medicinal and therapeutic potency of cannabis whole plant extracts" statement?
     
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    I would recommend you spend a bit of time on norml.org and google, studying the incredible amounts of research done on the various identified cannabinoids, alongside the terpenes and flavonoids. They have well documented pharmacological effects. Search google for "properties of cannabis terpenes" and similar key phrases. There are charts outlining everything from their vapor points, to which type of anti-cancer/anti-inflammatory/etc effects are present.
     
    So my statement of "nowhere near the same therapeutic potency..." is based on the plant biology of cannabis, case studies, laboratory testing and so on over the past several hundred years.
     
    In a nutshell, as outlined in my sig, CBD is ONE single beneficial compound in cannabis out of over 421 - with others not yet identified. My statement was a summary of the research; it is literally 1/421+ of the benefit available. Factually, CBD oils offer nowhere near the therapeutic efficacy.
     
    My other statements regarding RSHO and Kannaway apply to your concern, IF they also source their hemp oil from China as the others do. Then they specifically apply to your concerns. If you want to investigate something on this matter, perhaps you could call the company you are asking about and specifically request to know WHERE it is sourced from. "FOOD GRADE" hemp oil, made from the byproduct of China's industrial hemp industry, is not even in the same galaxy as home grown, organic, local product. Perhaps they are misleading people but you'll have to investigate that.
     
    This is also why, if applicable to you, make it an effort to vote down bills supporting CBD only extracts. Otherwise you'll never have access to whole plant cannabis medicine.
     
    BTW another research worthy topic for you, is that while CBD in hemp plants have higher ratio than THC... overall their cannabinoid profiles pale in comparison to that of cannabis. As far as practical amounts, cannabis is supremely higher.
     
    I cannot factually judge the integrity of Dixie or their products. However I can guarantee you that using just CBD oil, especially sourced from hemp, is 1/421st the potential benefit received by whole plant cannabis.
     
  7. #7 snaggleface, Aug 2, 2014
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    Thanks Derek,
     
    That's part of my scam concern - this purecbd.net outfit who imply that they're aligned with Tamar Wise, offer no contact info on their website, no phone, no address, no geographical region, no email address, no nuthin'.
     
    But for all I know they're good honest people just struggling to get their footing with the new business/website - I guess time will tell.
     
    I do understand that you are fundamentally opposed to "CBD only" products Derek. From the lil' bit I've read so far, a well made oil paste with 26% CBD, would still have 74% other good synergistic stuff, like I think flavanoids and crap, and 1%-ish THC........but I realize you may still consider that to be "CBD only".
     
  8. Update:
     
    Address and phone number are now listed (as Natural Organic Solutions, Olympia, Wa) on the purecbd.net contact page: 
     
    http://www.purecbd.net/contact-us/
     
  9. Hey did u ever find out if purecbd.net was a scam.. I just ordered from there....
     
  10. @mjordan23 how did your order go? I would love to try them out but I dont know if I should trust it
     
  11. My relative with the health issues (pain, etc.) has now ordered from purecbd.net a few times and finds their product to be potent as advertised. Especially the new 51% CBD oil.
     
    So I think at this point we have established to our satisfaction that purecebd.net is legit.
     
    "Vaping" has proven to be a way to get more therapeutic doses from a given quantity of this oil, as opposed to ingesting it orally or sublingually. 
     
    There was an incident where my relative was trying to get the oil to come out of the tube, but there was some sort of blockage....suddenly the dam burst though and you guessed it, the oil went shooting all over the wall! So be careful out there.  :)
     

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