I am still holding my opinion from bashing any side. Don't forget just a year ago West Media claimed that Esad fired chemical weapons where as Russia proved that it was the opposition side whom used the chemical weapons to UN. On matters like this , i strongly advise you not to make early decisions, follow every possible lead make a good investigation and then make your opinion.
Well all of it sounds like good evidence against the seperatists doesn't it? Yes, I agree...a little fishy for people to be so dumb to do it over social media and telephone calls relaying information as such. I'm a skeptic, I don't want to choose sides, but America's track record is not very good and they are dire need of doing something as their status as an empire is on the decline.
Every one of those people had a little flag in their hearts that their nation will claim as victims. This is the way the world works. You might not like the game but we're all stuck watching this match of geopolitical chess.
You realize there was an actual genocide happening in Poland during the time? Hitler invaded to protect ethnic Germans in the area. Just like Russia threatened to do with Crimea. There may have been a false flag but the atrocities we're very real and documented. You might also want to look up Stalin's Torch Men command. The Germans of the time lie victim to the greatest falsifications of history we have ever known.
Actual genocide? My grandma was sent to a German concentration camp for being Polish. Her future husband (my grandfather) was half German (my great grandfather from Germany was never persecuted in Poland and was anti-Nazi). Hitler invaded because he felt the Slavs and Jews of Poland were inferior people to the Aryan Germans, and therefore Poland should be lebensraum for Germany. Ethnic Russians were not discriminated against in Crimea despite what RT may tell you, in fact Crimean Tartars are now being discriminated against by the Russian government. Ukraine is Putin's lebensraum.
History tends to repeat itself. And Putin fuckin lost it... First Crimea, now this? I hope because of this unfortunate event the world will pay attention and stop this asshole asap.
Concentration camps were a thing of the time. I wont defend that, the US did it to the Japanese too. That doesn't change the fact that ethnic Germans were killed in Poland at the time. There were radio casts calling for it before the 'false flag' and even the police encouraged, participated and turned a blind eye to it. If you think he invaded because of Aryan superiority you're effectively brainwashed.
Brainwashed? Hitler created false flags by killing groups of Poles then dressing them in German uniforms to argue that the Poles had been killing Germans. State your sources and I bet they have links to anti-semetic or anti-slavic groups. Do you even have any links to Germany or Poland?
Pulling the Anti-Semetic card already? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organised_persecution_of_ethnic_Germans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_%281939%29 http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Genocide_against_the_German_people https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP7.ADDENDA.HTM http://justice4germans.com/2012/12/02/a-forgotten-genocide-the-systematic-ethnic-cleansing-of-ethnic-germans-in-post-war-europe/ http://democraticpeace.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/the-worlds-greatest-unknown-genocide-and-ethnic-cleansing/
So far I've been led to Stormfront and David Duke's website by following a couple of his links and references.
First Wiki link fails to mention Poland Second happened after Germany invaded Poland - are you saying Hitler had a crystal ball? Third - my point proven about metapedia http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Metapedia Fourth shows that the Soviets determined the borders, and yes there may have been persecution of Germans, however it was not as bad as what Germany put Poland through Fifth - Justice 4 Germans comes across as a website for holocaust denial - are you calling my grandmother a liar? Sixth - yes the persecution of Germans was wrong, however 1400 were killed compared to 6,000,000 Poles. You have shown no evidence of the systematic persecution of ethnic Germans in Poland prior to World War 2.
Bit different, don't you think? Canada interned the Japanese, Germans and Italians, but never gassed and murdered them. Some Japanese had their property stolen by local Government Reps, but they weren't gassed. Dude, cut it out.
I should have checked my sources better, some are the genocide after the war. You got me. The Danzig Massacre may have happened at the start of the war but was the peak of the violence against Germans in the region that started before it I said nothing about gas and you already know I refute that it was ever used. This has nothing to do with that fact that Germans were killed in Poland before Hitler's invasion. Here we go, thread effectively derailed.
I'll rerail the thread by mentioning the links to fascism and ultranationalism amongst many senior members of the Pro Russian Separatists. Igor Girkin (Strelkov) - widely believed to have been in charge of the group that almost certainly shot down the Malaysian plane - used to write for Zavtra https://news.vice.com/article/whos-who-in-the-donetsk-peoples-republic, a Russian ultranationalist newspaper, whose owner is a fan of David Duke and white <a>nationalism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Prokhanov </a> Then there's his ally Pavel Gubarev, who was a member of a racist Russian political party http://web.archive.org/web/20140317211808/http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117048/crimean-referendum-was-electoral-farce That's just the tip of the iceberg. Kudos to you for admitting some of your research was flawed and making a statement that you'll look for better sources
wait. You are saying gas wasn't used in German concentration camps? Forgive me if I misunderstood Sent from my LG-E739 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
Yes, I am. The models show that if the Germans gassed the Jews the camp's ventilation were set up in such a way that Germans would have gassed themselves as well. There's also been multiple modern science expeditions that show there is no residue left on the walls for the alleged gasses used, one of the specific expeditions I'm thinking of was done by a guy who helped invent the Lethal Injection System and revamped modern penal gas chambers. If we talk about the diesel gas model, the Germans at the time barely had the resources to fight a war, let alone use gas to kill of people in their labor camps. The only documented time gas chambers were used to delouse and kill lice so that the laborers wouldn't contract disease. When you take a look at the "Death Camps" that were liberated, every single one was liberated by Russia who committed far greater atrocities than the Germans ever dreamed. I'm not saying the Jews weren't horribly treated or that many didn't die. There however is no empirical evidence that gas was used or even that they burned them alive outside bogus testimony. Most of the deaths were from starvation and disease caused from Allied bombing of German supplies and the slaughter of 'liberating' Russians. The figure that 6,000,000 died is exaggerated and a self fulfilling Jewish prophecy that has been pushed since the 1890's. I'm not a fan of using youtube videos but you'll have to humor me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dxsVSzL4HE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8 Seriously, if you want to discuss this, PM me. If the topic is pushed much further I'll close the thread.
And you choose to passively accept it. Every one of those people has a soul, first, before being born into the tyrannical world we live in filled with nonsensical borders. How'd this thread turn into a discussion of concentration camps lol...
from where are you getting your news sources? First Crimea, now this? Really...??.how about first Vietnam, then Cuba, then lamumba, then Iraq, then this, then that, then 9/11, then Boston marathon...I don't recall every single occasion/war on the top of my head, but there's war a ridiculous amount of times that America has flaunted it's superpowerness.