the Drug War Is A Failure

Discussion in 'Marijuana Legalization' started by LuxSpiritus, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. If you havn't seen it yet. There was an interview with Russel Brand on how the US's war on drugs is a complete failure. I did not see it, because i already knew this. Let us begin.
     
    The war on drugs was started by President Richard Nixon the one who was impeached for the corruption scandal, and followed by Ronald Reagan. This War on Drugs was suppose to protect the public from dangerous substances. By constantly scheduling drugs illegal that they thought was a threat.
     
    Now we must think about this first. Yes it does do us good for the dangerous drugs like Heroin, but let me point out. That heroin was first produced by the Bayar brand company, that's right the company that makes aspirin. It was used medically and become quickly abused with harmful side affects. Then scheduled. Now it's everywhere because essentially the government gave it to the public. They provided a dangerous drug to the public without making sure it was safe. Now it is illicitly produced because of the value it holds, with consideration of the well-known addiction studies. This also includes a numerous other drugs like PCP, and Ketamine, and MDMA. All dangerous drugs essentially given to us. Then when they make them illegal they start illicit production.
     
    Another point on this. The ban on psychotropic substances, includes standards such as -Is it physically addictive? - Does it have a use in medicine? - It is easily abuseable?. When they emergency schedule a substance because a rise in use. Essentially it is their fault. and the quick banning of these drugs doesn't allow time to search for legitament medical uses, so those who could benefit from these illicit drugs have to go to alternate treatments. Usually much more dangerous, providing all the side affects and toxicity of pharmaceutical medicines.
     
    Also. when making these drugs illegal, especially one's that are easily produced. People attempt to find 'Grey areas' in the law to either profit or be able to enjoy these banned substances with the hope that they cannot be touched because it is not actually the substance. All these synthetic analouge's can be over 10 times more dangerous than their precursor due to toxic remenents that might be created in sloppy production. We know all the 'Safe' psychotropic drugs are illegal, and they get replaced by these more dangerous derevitives in the counter culture. The rise in OD deaths does not go unnoticed. But even the banning of the new substances still does not stop them from producing it, or making analouges.
     
    Drugs like 'LSD' 'Psilocybin' and 'THC' have all shown potential in some field, and have a low toxicity where they are not dangerous at therapeutic doses. Then we get the synthetic Research chemicals. Which are frequently avalible online. Drugs such as 'Bath salts' '2-X drugs' 'MDMA and related analogues(basically the base of the goal of synthetic stimulents)' these have all been shown to be more dangerous(Maybe with the exception of MDMA, which has therapeutic uses). There are more OD deaths, and from the substances produced medically that quickly moved to the streets as well as the analogues.
     
    The production of the easily made illicit drugs have also caused many violent groups of smugglers to have a reason to come into our country. Sometimes commiting violent crimes.
     
    So essentially this war on drugs has caused nothing but a chain of new and continually more dangerous drugs being produced. The 'Safe' drugs that are illegal which could help some people with their conditions. Go with treatments that are inefficient, or may cause addiction (in the case of painkillers and benzodiazepines). People will do drugs. No matter what you ban, they will still be there. Drugs are a huge commidity that is becoming more and more risky, and these street drugs are almost 70% of the time not pure. Carelessness has led to the deaths of many, and they are not always at fault.
     
    The government knows how much of a failure it is. They just don't want to admit it. That's why they have done nothing about the individual states changing laws against the federal regulations. We are a democratic government, and the people are slowly expressing their demands. It won't be long before the government reacts to this. When the people speak and it does get heard. Then they have no choice other than answer. Just because some drugs have a recreational affect does not mean they are useless. In fact it would be a better alternative. But the pharmacy company's make billions on their medications. They should know what's right.
     
    It won't be much longer.

     
  2. I agree. Sooner or later all the facades crumble. Even in a world of lies, intent is crystal clear and so is greed.
     
  3. In all honesty, I don't believe it's a failure. I think it's working just the way it has been planned to work. Complete eradication would take the DEA and other government agencies out of business in no time.
     
  4. "Small time drug offenders are filling our prisons, Leaving less space for the actual dangers."
    You are correct on this but. If they were to market the drugs, there would be a large tax income. It would not be dropped completely. More so reevaluted to determine which are safe and have a use, and the ones that should be kept from the public. To drop it would obviously cause a problem. The fact that they do not question their decisions, or at least schedule it until they can manifest it's properties. Leaves many drugs that do not have the opportunity to be used medically, just because their recreational abuse. Which will continue anyway
     
  5. The war on drugs was a failure before it even started
     
  6. The War On Drugs is a failure in public policy with respect to the message it was supposed to send.
    When in reality, the War On Drugs was there for the benefit of Law Enforcement in terms of revenue from siezure & confiscation.
    They are also able to lobby for Federal funding for their local law enforcement if its for the War on Drugs.
     
    Ending the War On Drugs...ends a massive revenue stream for law enforcement. They know it...and now that we're starting to wake up to this fact...we know it. Knowledge is power. Knowing what is important to them, is important in negotiating our way to legalization. I hate to say that. I don't believe that a simple plant should require this type of fight...but it does.
     
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    ^ Is that Tom Hanks in your avatar?
     
  8. People are right when they say it was doomed to failure from beginning. Drug demand is very inelastic, meaning people don't stop buying drugs just because their price goes up. The War on Drugs is focused solely on reducing the supply of drugs by arresting drug dealers, seizing drugs, etc. Lower supply translates to higher prices with unchanged demand, meaning more profit for the criminal cartels.
     
    I really do believe the War on Drugs has harmed more of American society than drugs ever will. It is responsible for gang proliferation, gun violence, and our immigration crisis. And we are not ending it anytime soon it seems...
     
  9. The war on drugs is a success. The war on cannabis is a losing battle on the government's side. We stoners are winning and will eventually end this war. Legalization is just a matter of time.
     
  10. The war on drugs is a complete failure I agree.

    But I disagree that it works with "dangerous" drugs like the ones you mentioned, Heroin, Crack, Meth, PCP etc... As much as Id like to go into a good detailed explanation of that stance, the other drug rule prohibits me. So to simplify, all I can say is that any drug can be used safely, in moderation (except maybe the nightshade family as they are closer to poison than drugs), and the horror stories the media portrays, are not your casual user, but the abuser.


    It is our stigma against these drugs that makes people seek them out. Compare America's rampant alcohol abuse and our taboo of underage drinking, to Europe's lack of abuse, and where alcohol is just another thing.

    Demonizing these drugs, makes them dangerous, it causes people to turn their backs on friends and family, who abused instead of used responsibly and moderately, to abandon them when they need help the most, or to go tough love which is just as useless as abandoning them.


    If there were no CSA, no stigma, people could partake in safety, and instead of being treated like a fucking leper, could actually seek help openly, without being strip of their humanity only to be forever known as a junkie.
     
  11. The war isn't against marijuana it's against those of us that want to use it, whether it's for our health or for our pleasure.

    phinious420
     

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