http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/10916086/The-scandal-of-fiddled-global-warming-data.html Republicans use terrorism to terrify and steal the freedom of the masses, dems use terrorism and global warming, be afraid, be very afraid and support a much bigger and more powerful federal government to "protect" you. Give us your freedoms and we will save you from the dreaded global warming.
tl;dr but, there's a reason it's called "Global" warming not "United States" warming. Probably missing some context from the article but.
Google "Steven Goddard". What are his credentials? He's not a climate expert, he is a science denier. The tag line for his website is "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts", FFS. .
Attacking the source's credentials is a çommon cop out fallacy. It has nothing to do with the issue at hand or the claims.being.made. Dose anyone have anything to say about the actual.claims? Sent from my LG-E739 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
There's a reason why the correct term for it is 'Climate Change' and not Global Warming. Not everything is a government conspiracy, you tin foil hats, you.
This "problem" was addressed 7 years ago. http://www.geotimes.org/aug07/article.html?id=WebExtra081607_2.html @penelope: Googling his name suggests Steven Goddard isn't even his real name. Imagine the outrage if real scientists hid behind pseudonyms? Too bad it's a fallacy to question his credentials though. It's all a moot point anyways since he's taking issue with data regarding temperature trends within the lower 48 of United States, yet the article you linked and the topic of this OP indicates fabrication of GLOBAL temperature trends. </div> You don't say?
The problem with people who deny climate change is that they don't realize it is about much more than just the world getting hotter. Last time I checked our polar ice caps are melting and that will definitely have impacts in the future on sea levels. Secondly a big part of the issue in climate change is the dramatic shifts in weather that we have. Things like more powerful and common storms reaching areas that were previously unaffected, like hurricane sandy in nj. Another major issue with climate change is gonna be the fact that highly infectious diseases are going to be able to spread to areas which were previously uninhabitable due to the changes in climate. Other things such as pollution of our environment can have major effects on nature. A lot of people focus on the idea of temperature in this debate, but there is so much more to climate change than that one aspect. It reminds me of how creationists say that the Big Bang or abiogenesis couldn't have happened and therefore the entirety of evolution is wrong. When in reality those two theories are a very small part of the theory of evolution, yet it is the only part of the debate that ever gets any attention. The same way climate change pertaining to temperature and greenhouse gasses is the only thing that is ever talked about in this debate, when there is so much more to discuss.
I don't think its relevent in a discussion. Yea they may have a history of anti science, but that doesn't mean everything theu say about science is wrong. Arguments should be a case by case basis. Argue the facts, not the sources Sent from my LG-E739 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
Where did that history come from? By bashing science in articles. What are they doing in this article? Bashing science. Does that make it relevent to this discussion? Well, yeah, obviously. Does that mean this article should be considered unbiased? Hell no. Edited to add: http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/210344-risky-business-report-climate-change-inaction-will-cost-us-billions Former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, billionaire Tom Steyer and former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg warn in a new report that rising sea levels, increasing storm surges and warmer temperatures will cost the U.S. billions if little action is taken to mitigate climate change. Paulson, Steyer and Bloomberg head the climate change initiative Risky Business, which released the report Tuesday. "Climate change is the existential issue of our age - it is cumulative and irreversible, and its impacts are potentially catastrophic and pose enormous threats to our country's economic and fiscal health," said Robert Rubin, former Treasury secretary under President Bill Clinton, and a member of Risky Business. The report concludes that, in the next 15 years, higher sea levels and storm surges will increase the cost of damages along the Eastern Seaboard and the Gulf of Mexico by $2 billion to $3.5 billion a year. All together, the report states, coastal storms and hurricanes will cost $35 billion annually.
A big factor to global warming is deforestation. Big beautiful coastal rain forest I played in as a kid are now covered with parking lots and apartment houses. It breaks my heart. The ugliest thing in the world is a fucking city.
There is a difference between cities and urban sprawl. I've recently been arguing your point with a family member of mine who is an exceptional city planner. He is as much against tarmac and manicured lawns as anybody else. It's a really interesting subject actually. He's doing a good job of swaying my opinion. Kind of off-topic, just thought I'd share.
i've said the same exact thing last time this was brought up. the average global temperature has risen over time and no amount of willpower can change that fact.
It's pretty commonly accepted in the scientific community that we are having an effect on the climate for the worse. I don't see the controversial nature of it, politically at least. I must be missing something.
With all due respect, it is dangerous and foolish to ignore the background of the person making the claim, especially if they are known to have an agenda. 99 percent of consipracy theory comes from those with shadey backgrounds, and we should not ignore this fact In real life, if you wanted to buy a car and you knew that the person selling it was untrustworthy and devious, would you still buy it? MelT
I AM discussing facts. The first thing I did was google the source of this information. That's the first step in researching anything. It's a fact that "Stephen Goddard" runs an anti-science website with a clear political agenda. He's also probably working under a pseudonym. I, and many others, actually give a shit about where information comes from. There are a LOT of anti-science sources out there, and even more pseudo-science claims being made about everything under the sun - from climate change to shampoo. I'm not going to give equal attention to all of it. Just because someone has an idea, it doesn't make it worth discussing. If the source isn't legitimate, or has a clear agenda, then it's not worth my time.
The real issue is extremely simple : We , as humanity , have only one home to live in. We don't have technology to move another house like we do regularly in our life. And our Greed , Jealousy is destroying the only planet we live in full speed. We have two choice : We will realise the truth and act or die in pain...