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Mom Has Breast Cancer, On The Rso

Discussion in 'Medical Marijuana Usage and Applications' started by miracleoil, Jun 7, 2014.

  1. Hello dear mmj community,
     
    I'll try to keep it short but at the same time I have a lot to ask about. I got some concerns regarding pretty much everything but I'm thankful for any answers.
     
    Recently my mother who is in her fifties found a lump in her breast and it turned out to be cancer. Luckily I knew about the existence of hemp oil and I immediately started her on it. She's going to the surgery soon and then we will know more about the tumor and her condition.
     
    The oil was made with the Rick Simpson method from leafs and little buds of random strains for it being all that was available.
     
    She can only tolerate very small amounts even though being on the treatment for 13 days. We started her with 0.02g and upped to 0.05g in after some days. She can't do more, a dose of about 0.05g will get her somewhat dizzy, any more than that makes her heavily intoxicated. It also makes her sleep 10-15 hours every night and she complains lack of energy and willpower.
     
    I don't see how she will ever be able to ingest one gram a day of that stuff when she still gets so huge effect from so small dose even though being on it for soon two weeks.
     
    I'm wondering if this is normal as she has never used cannabis in her life before, begs the question what factors affect the speed of developing tolerance? Rick Simpson oil guide said it should take about a month to build up full tolerance but I'm only guessing just how individual that is. Does consuming method make a difference for tolerance or how high you feel?
     
    Regarding her surgery, should she be off the oil treatment for any time pre or post operation? Another breast is to be fully removed with any cancerous lymph nodes. Only one night in hospital is to be expected.
     
    She has also made lifestyle adjustments to better suit her condition, moderate amounts of exercise and anticancer-diet.
     
    What should we take in consideration when we are going to negotiate with the doctors about my moms future treatments from their part? We can't mention the use of this treatment to the doctors.
     

     
  2. If her anesthesiologist  is going to use propofol, she will need a slightly higher dose to keep her under.
     
    Induction dose of propofol in patients using cannabis.        (abst - 2009)
    http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ebm/record/19237981/abstract/Induction_dose_of_propofol_in_patients_using_cannabis_
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    Her doctors can NOT bust her without losing their medical license! They can only report life-threatening behavior, and cannabis use, in ANY form, does not qualify!
     
    Some people have more trouble adjusting to the THC levels in RSO. You either "go slow" and raise their dose slowly, or you can try a RSO made in part with a "High CBD" strain. CBD slows cancer is a totally different, but complimentary, way to THC. CBD does NOT get you high, which makes it better for some people.  Also, does she have "triple negative" breast cancer? That family of cancers are better treated with CBD!
     
    Cannabidiol as a novel inhibitor of Id-1 gene expression in aggressive breast cancer cells.    
    (full - 2007)      http://mct.aacrjournals.org/content/6/11/2921.long   
     
    Pot compound seen as tool against cancer           (news – 2012)
    http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Pot-compound-seen-as-tool-against-cancer-3875562.php#page-1
       
    For slowly raising the dose, I would suggest mixing the RSO with a vegetable oil (flax seed oil, hemp seed oil or olive oil are good) and putting it in capsules.  It helps if you gently warm the two together. Then you can add a single drop of the mix, or completely fill the capsule, or anything in between! Rick Simpson's advice to "start with a piece the size of a grain of rice", is imprecise and can lead to overdoses, especially in sensitive individuals like your Mom!
     
    Get Mom on Omega 3! The way cannabinoids heal is by activating the CB receptors. Those receptors can't be hooked up properly without Omega 3! The dudes in the first study were looking at just the mental health effects of a lack of Omega 3, but the physical effects include cancer!
     
    Nutritional omega-3 deficiency abolishes endocannabinoid-mediated neuronal functions.
    (abst – 2011)           http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21278728
     
    Long-chain n-3-to-n-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid ratios in breast adipose tissue from women with and without breast cancer.  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12416257
     
    \t\t\t\tOmega-3 fats demonstrate ability to slow or stop breast cancer proliferation
    \t\t\t\t\thttp://www.naturalnews.com/040351_breast_cancer_omega_3_healthy_fats.html#ixzz2ZeXqKvpQ
     
    Mom should start drinking Lemon grass tea! The delightful lemon flavor is from limonene, a cancer fighter in its own right! Limonene is also where out "lemony" strains get their scent, so they make an excellent choice for making RSO.
     
    Human breast tissue disposition and bioactivity of limonene in women with early-stage breast cancer. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23554130
     
    And you may find this to be inspiring!  
     
    http://forum.grasscity.com/medical-marijuana-usage-applications/1130359-tumors-really-shrinking.html#post16220325
     
    Hon, I have a big bunch of info on how cannabis helps to fight cancers. Check out the bottom of my sig for my email address and drop me a line! I''l send you back 2 emails filled with just about everything on cannabis! the section on breast cancers is about 5 pages of links.
     
    Hope that helps!
     
    Granny
     
  3. #3 Mr.Bud, Jun 7, 2014
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    Thoughts go out to yah all the way. One thing i would seriously look into is tincture and glycerine extracts, poster above has some AMAZING info in those links to check out as well ( :rolleyes: all hail granny :rolleyes: ), but, in a nutshell, buds that are not decarbed, which are then processed into tinctures, and glycerine extracts retain a far greater level of THCA which plays a serious role in the success of these treatments. Essentially (i use this word loosely as you have a lot of research ahead of you) THCA heavy extracts which are never combusted retain their ability to cure but are far less intoxicating than their THC based counterparts. Its certainly something to look into. However on the intoxication issue I'm fairly confident in saying that at 2 weeks she's still got approximately zero tolerance to the highly concentrated form she's taking in. From personal exp i can say her tolerance will absolutely rise with time and higher doses so try not to stress on this factor. Hope this helps even slightly and i confidently say that the users hearts are going out to you, keep posting, keep learning, stay hopeful and most importantly, Stay fly,
    -Mr.bud
     
  4. Stay up bro. Sounds like you guys are doing all you can to beat it. Please keep us posted. My grandfather has cancer but we don't live in a legal state. Thinking about driving to go get that but a lot of obstacles in the way.(money talks)
    Keep us posted. Peace be with you.
     
  5. sending your mother all that is good and strong
     
    take care bro
     
  6. Thank you all for the replies, they were very helpful and so fast! I will post again about Moms condition after her surgery when the tumor has been removed and properly examined.
     
     
     
     
     
    Yeah Indeed theres lot to study. On the decarb matter, I discovered this before and it came on my mind when I read the above quote: https://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/got-cancer-decarboxylate-your-cannabis/
     
    I'm unsure what to make of this though, does consuming THCA increase tolerance for THC aswell? Then it could be a great way to build some tolerance for the potent decarbed version. If the articles claim holds true then is it still a good idea trying some non-decarbed oil?
     
    The info packet from Granny was amazing too. Thx so much!
     
  7. Aloha friend! I have developed a new recipe, that is very refined and pure. Basically, if you blast the bud/trim first, then make your oil, the THC is negligible.
    Mahalo
     
  8. PSam over on the tincture thread mentioned this supplement to help with tolerance -
     
    http://www.cognizin.com/
     
    Do some research and see what you and your mom think.
     
  9. Just want to add that I know a lot of people have a copy of Granny's reference list but if anyone out there has not requested a copy, you really should. There is an encyclopedic-style wealth of knowledge contained in there that can be invaluable if you or a loved one is dealing with a serious medical condition. If you are lucky enough to not have medical issues, you can surely still find a lot of useful information. It's an excellent resource for anyone to have.
     
    Also, I do think it is best to be upfront with the doctors because MMJ can cause issues such as the one mentioned with Propofol. Generally speaking, the doctors just want to heal you to the best of their ability and they won't turn you in for anything like that. However, I do want to mention that you should be very careful if you or a family member is applying for some sort of Social Security in the US. There is a possibility that they can deny you benefits especially if you are claiming some sort of mental issue such as depression, anxiety, personality disorder, etc. Be aware and be very careful in these circumstances. 
     
    "The problem with using alcohol or drugs when applying for disability is that the Social Security Administration (SSA) can deny you benefits if it believes that your alcohol or drug use contributes to your mental impairment. In the Social Security disability process (which includes SSI disability as well), this is a concept known as DAA materiality. The DAA part stands for drug and alcohol abuse. Materiality means whether the DAA is a contributing factor to your disabling medical condition. In other words, if you have a physical impairment or mental condition for which you are filing for disability and it can be shown that, minus the effects of your drug or alcohol use, the condition would not be disabling, your claim could be denied.
    If drugs or alcohol are mentioned in your medical record, after making an initial disability decision, Social Security will make a "DAA determination" to see whether this is true in your case.
    Even fairly moderate alcohol or drug use can be said to contribute to such conditions as depression, anxiety, seizures, sleep apnea, insomnia, and personality disturbances. And since the materiality of drug or alcohol use is a subjective concept, the SSA could use your use of drugs or alcohol to deny you benefits.
    http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/mic1.html
     
  10. Can't offer advice but I wanted to say good luck!
     
  11. #11 Galaxy420, Jun 8, 2014
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    no offense but THCA does not work nearly as well as THC as a treatment. THCA has an active enzyme surrounding the molecular compound blocking the bodies ability to adsorb the compound. It basically moves through your system before it can be broken down and distributed throughout your system. eating or juicing the cannabis raw will have its own live food type benefits( phyto nutrients)  that help tremendously with health but the thca in there is not really the target IMO.
     
    Now THC without the enzyme is bio available for instant absorption and can find its way deep into the neuro directing capabilities of your receptors. plus the euphoric aspect of thc triggers your mind body and soul to explode with joy and life making your body want to be here and heal and be whole as best it can. that is why there is so much euphoria involved in our uptake of thc. it bypasses every block and gets right to the matter( brain matter) so you can make the best out of the situation.
     
  12. Although Tetrahydrocannabinolic acid does not have its own individual psychoactive effects like THC, studies indicate that THCA can perform as a 5HT1A receptor agonist and in so doing help in its neuroprotective effects. THCA has been known to act as an anti-inflammatory agent. Clinically, THCA has been fundamental in the production of cannabis that is utilized for medical purposes. In addition, THCA has been utilized effectively as a biomarker together with THCV in testing drugs and in differentiating between approved processed varieties of cannabis used for medicinal purposes and other materials from cannabis plant that can be used by patients. THCA not only has anti-proliferative abilities that are crucial in helping inhibit the growth of cancerous cells, but also, it has anti-spasmodic abilities that helps subdue muscle spasms and therefore has potential use among epileptic patients... as i stated I'm not talking about raw consumption, I'm talking about adding a solvent to make cannabis material, latent with non-pshycoactive yet still highly beneficial content, readily absorbable through the consumption of glycerine or tincture extracts,while i agree with everything you're saying (minus the value of tetrahydrocannabinolic acid), there are other variables to look at, stay fly,
    -Mr.Bud
     
  13. bro just getting back to you with grat for your informative info. thanks for that!!  stay high above flying free and clear looking down from that tremendous height!
     
  14. Mom is now free of cancer, control scheduled for next summer. Surgery & oil worked, no other treatments needed :)
     

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