New Minnesota Mmj Bill

Discussion in 'Marijuana News' started by Philosiraptor, May 16, 2014.

  1. New MMJ Bill after the committee 
     
    http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/259408771.html
     
    Basically this one allows 8 dispensaries at least and 2 manufacturing facilities
     
    It would be nice if they would add intractable pain as a condition because then I could become an MMJ patient!   :hello:

     
  2. I suspect a lot will change as they move through the rule-making process.  They don't seem to understand that vaporizing oils is WAY more intoxicating than a few hits on the bong.
     
  3.  
    Yeah I didn't think about that I've never vaped oils.
     
  4.  
    that's true to a certain extent. you could get just as "intoxicated" by taking a few more hits or a longer hit from an herbal vape. using both oil vape and herbal vape, i can get to the same level. i'd say it really depends on the dosage. granted oil is by default my concentrated ... so if you took a hit the size of a nice bong rip from an oil pen (somehow)... you'd probably start questioning reality. 
     
    also consider that oils can be used orally and applied topically. i'm not sure of the list of conditions it could be prescribed for, but i believe it's been noted to help topically with sever cases of psoriasis. 
     
  5. The only not as serious condition that this bill covers is Crohn's Disease. :cry:
     
  6. The conditions that it provides entry to the system with are, ironically, conditions which typically the most expeditious relief would come from smoking. They're mostly variations on spacsticity. This bill in no way effectively serves the conditions its outlined to help with.
     
    And in keeping with a medical mindset, people are not necessarily looking to get "intoxicated." Using a vape is most definitely a different experience, and most likely have no experience with oils and if they even help their condition.
     
  7. I'll remember that as I'm sitting in a chemo chair every 8 weeks getting my crohns meds dripped into me.
     
  8.  
    you just have to find something to argue about  :laughing:
     
    are you saying that smoking is better than vaping for medical purposes now?... in other words you claim that for some things you actually need the process of combustion to ingest your meds?
     
    yes, most medical users will not have experience with the herb or a vape or an oil concentrate... unless they were illegal users in the first place, then i'm sure they'll figure out how to use an oil vape. 
     
  9. If you were to know some one with Crohn's you would not say this. 
     
  10. Oh yes, and it may as well be something so meaningless as my health and well-being??
    You twit. This is peoples' lives you're talking about.
     
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    you are correct, now please educate me and the general public about how smoking is better than vaping for medical users. i'd love to hear this.
     
    p.s. your trolling is making you looking utterly dumb. 
     
  12. #12 Philosiraptor, May 19, 2014
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    I think floating-by is correct in this case.  From my understanding some of the CBD isn't obtained through the lower vaping temperatures.
     
  13. Oh becuse your a dr and know your self. Lol.
    We will never be able to find out what is best for patients with lame bills like this. Why would they need to do research on the benefits of smoking when it's not allowed. Staring to really show who's side your are on.
     
  14. #14 Sgtstadanko707, May 20, 2014
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    Mind---- blown.
    Who would have ever thought.
     
  15.  
    They are doing the studies on the allowed methods of consumption not smoking.
     
  16. No. Different compounds release at various temps. All that are released below combustion point (about 450 F) are covered by vaporizing.

    Phytocannabinoids, their boiling points, and properties


    delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
    Boiling point: 157*C / 314.6 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

    cannabidiol (CBD)
    Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antispasmodic

    Cannabinol (CBN)
    Boiling point: 185*C / 365 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Oxidation, breakdown, product, Sedative, Antibiotic

    cannabichromene (CBC)
    Boiling point: 220*C / 428 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

    cannabigerol (CBG)
    Boiling point: MP52
    Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

    ?-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (?-8-THC)
    Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Resembles ?-9-THC, Less psychoactive, More stable Antiemetic

    tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV)
    Boiling point: < 220*C / <428 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant



    Terpenoid essential oils, their boiling points, and properties


    ß-myrcene
    Boiling point: 166-168*C / 330.8-334.4 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Analgesic. Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic

    ß-caryophyllene
    Boiling point: 119*C / 246.2 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Antiinflammatory, Cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), Antimalarial

    d-limonene
    Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Cannabinoid agonist?, Immune potentiator, Antidepressant, Antimutagenic

    linalool
    Boiling point: 198*C / 388.4 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Sedative, Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Immune potentiator

    pulegone
    Boiling point: 224*C / 435.2 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Memory booster?, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic

    1,8-cineole (eucalyptol)
    Boiling point: 176*C / 348.8 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: AChE inhibitor, Increases cerebral, blood flow, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antiviral, Antiinflammatory, Antinociceptive

    a-pinene
    Boiling point: 156*C / 312.8 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Antiinflammatory, Bronchodilator, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antineoplastic, AChE inhibitor

    a-terpineol
    Boiling point: 217-218*C / 422.6-424.4 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Sedative, Antibiotic, AChE inhibitor, Antioxidant, Antimalarial

    terpineol-4-ol
    Boiling point: 209*C / 408.2 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: AChE inhibitor. Antibiotic

    p-cymene
    Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Antibiotic, Anticandidal, AChE inhibitor



    Flavonoid and phytosterol components, their boiling points, and properties


    apigenin
    Boiling point: 178*C / 352.4 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Anxiolytic, Antiinflammatory, Estrogenic

    quercetin
    Boiling point: 250*C / 482 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Antioxidant, Antimutagenic, Antiviral, Antineoplastic

    cannflavin A
    Boiling point: 182*C / 359.6 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: COX inhibitor, LO inhibitor

    ß-sitosterol
    Boiling point: 134*C / 273.2 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Antiinflammatory, 5-a-reductase, inhibitor
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  17. You didn't see my corrected post man 
     
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    "lower vaping" temperatures... which you are planning to achieve by high temperature of combustion. this makes a shit-ton of sense. 
     
     
    i am not a doctor. but i do have an ounce of common sense.
    first there are thousands of medical users today who vape very successfully.
     
    secondly any sort of combustion creates harmful byproducts. if you went to high school you probably learned that in your first chemistry class. (but you can google that).
     
    speaking of googlin' you chart is so pointless... that you've just pretty much proven yourself wrong. any of your listed substances (if we were even to somehow think that this chart has some value in real life) are released through heating and are below the point of combustion. so what's your point again, doc?
     
  19. The list was to show how much changes with in such little temp change.
    Who knows what the benifits of low heat will do. Guess we will never find out.
     
  20.  
    dude are you seriously that clueless? 
    let me explain again.... people, medical users, vape all the time. we are well aware of the benefits. you don't need a medical study to know what's better. you just need to purchase a vaporizer.
     

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