New Minnesota Mmj Bill

 
 hold on a second, bud... your "friend" called me all sorts of names and all while arguing something as benign as vaporizing. and you are telling me i am being rude? i'd never even talk about this if he didn't bring it up.
i'm wasn't even talking about the bill... just vaporization in general.
 
1. i know your point. but thousands of users today will tell you otherwise. the study posted above tells you otherwise. my personal experience with chronic pain tells me otherwise. common sense that there are harmful by-products in combustion tells you otherwise. 
and you are still arguing simple facts.
 
some patients should not be smoking. period. no matter what the substance. (some should not be even vaporizing. hence the edibles).
 
p.s. pax is not the best example of a great vape. it had a tendency to burn the herb.. (and you can burn herb with other vaporizer too.. but i don't think we are going to off on tangent about vaporizer quality.. that's probably best for the vaporizer forum). 

 

When vaping oils you will want it even higher. Around 700-800 degrees

 

Yeah it is. I will speak with the wax master jimmy carter. They make vapes that get up to 1500 degrees. For what.

 

 

 

This is a very good question and definitely on topic with the MN MMJ Rules.  
 
Combustion for plant material is at what, 550-600 degrees?  I know Dabbing uses way more heat that that.  Is Dabbing "vaporizing" of oils?  It seems like there is a lot of smoke with a dab but there is no ash.  
 
What would the ingredient list look like for "Whole Plant Extract" as stated in the bill that we are supposed to be vaporizing?  What residual would be left over?  Glycerin?  Do we vape that also?  
 
I'm a bit perplexed on what the State on MN thinks we will be doing and with what?
 
How would an oil not burn at 700+ degrees? 

 

http://www.cannlabs.com/the-science/extraction/

 

 
you are comparing a combustion temp of a dry herb to that of a waxy substance... they will be different.
 
i think you'll find this link very helpful: http://weedporndaily.com/pot-primer/hash-and-concentrates/ (no there is no porn. ignore the domain name)
 
also look at http://fuckcombustion.com for some great discussion. and even here in the vaporizers forum. 

 

 

I don't want to get into a big argument but I have to agree with raptor on this one. THC, CBD, etc. all vaporize at specific temps, yes?  If so what difference does the item the cannabinoid is in make?  Wouldn't you have to keep your vape setup at a temp to vaporize the ingredient and not burn it?  I have burned a lot of oil, from cooking oil to THC oil and where there is smoke there is fire so to speak, yes?
 
I just wonder how MN thinks we patients can be given an oil to vaporize and we won't burn it?  

 

Another pissing match? That never happens here.

 

I am going to continue to smoke herb and self medicate illegally on my own terms. Fuck the government trying to dictate what's best for me.

 

I would be happy if they made the playoffs in 2018. The superbowl is way too ambitious. Lol I may be a Vikings fan, but I am a realist, too.

 

What if the intractable pain is emotional? Is that medically quantifiable?

I could probably get a formal PTSD diagnosis if I tried, I would prefer not to. Like I said, I prefer to do it on my own terms.

I think this bill is barely pacification. But nothing more. Law makers don't give a flying fuck about my struggles.

 

Yes. That is what I read.

It could be worse but it could be much better.

I would feel a lot more comfortable if I felt like lawmakers and medical professionals actually gave a fuck about me as a human being rather than lining their coffers and pacifying voters.

 

Unfortunately in the MN MMJ Bill about to get the Gov's signature there are no emotional or psychological conditions that qualify at this time.  Nope, not even PTSD.  There is a method of adding conditions to the list but it takes legislative action I believe at this point.
 
I think you are a bit pessimistic saying law makers don't care about you.  Many do care and are working hard and well, but, alas, many don't.  Maybe at one time they did but the system has a way of warping them.  Too sad. 
 
Here, once again, is the Bill as it Stands now for your reviewing pleasure.  There is a lot more to talk in here about than just vaping:
 
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/text.php?number=SF2470&version=0&session=ls88&session_year=2014&session_number=0&type=ccr 
 
I still am very curious how they expect us to vape, and enforce the vape only rule, of "Whole Plant Extracts".  I think I now understand the point being made that you can get an oil hotter than a dried plant before combustion occurs and if that is so then maybe, yes, all the beneficial compounds may be available for absorption in the lungs before oil combustion.  
 
Most of the Dabbing and Vaping I see is definitely combustion with plenty of smoke. I've seen some vaporizers that don't create smoke but there don't seem to be many. It will be interesting how this develops in Rule Making.  Maybe we patients will have to purchase a State approved vaporizer that only gets so hot.  Don't laugh, this is MN remember.  
 
If you are caught with an unapproved "overhot" vaporizer it will be a felony and expulsion for life from the Registry.  Meanwhile those not on the "Registry' will be fined a couple hundred bucks and get a misdemeanor for possession of less than 42.5 grams of great buds.
 
If they are so worried about combustion byproducts just recommend using a water pipe.  And what kind of "Whole Plant Extract" are we going to get?  Extracted with what?
 
This will be interesting to watch develop.
 
Every one should put a big plant in the front yard and tell 'em to "lock me up".  That might get them to fuck off.

 

I am not a pessimist. I am a realist.
My statement may have been a bit hyperbolic. Of course there are a handful of politicians whose intentions are not merely self fulfilling. Typically, however, that isn't the case.