i personally feel that america should move to a model more like some european countries where the general police dont carry guns. however, we should always have swat ready for appropriate situations where guns are needed. i do not feel the typical patrol cop needs a gun in most areas of the country, and with the public opinion starting to be swayed to anti-government it would be reassuring to a lot of people. i think nonlethal things like oc spray, tasers, and clubs are more acceptable, but until mentality changes they would still be used inappropriately.
As a strong supporter of the second amendment. I believe that the European police have the RIGHT IDEA. Overall European police commit a incredibly small amount of firearm discharges compared to American law enforcement. Sent from my iPhone using Grasscity Forum
That model works in Europe because the population isn't allowed to own the guns Americans do. Americans are quite fond of their guns and the police will never be happy to show up to a bank robbery or other incident of that nature with an aerosol can and a stick. To which you say "then call in the swat team". No that's an added step complicating a quick response. Sent from my iPhone using Grasscity Forum mobile app
An incredible exception to that would be Switzerland. They have lots of guns and still find a way to not kill each other. Sent from my iPhone using Grasscity Forum
do you think the average gun owner will fire on a cop for a typical incident? i don't, and think the hard criminals would be taken down tactically. however cops in certain high crime areas may be given a pass. i dont think they usually spend too much time in those parts anyway though. specially equipped patrols should be the exception not the norm.
it sounds anti gun, but in theory, how much authority can unarmed officers present without a weapon vs. Grandpa with a 12g
Completely impractical in the United States. How would a police officer stand a chance against someone with say a .556 or 7.62 AR, and a 9MM sidearm as a pistol? Some carry ARs in the trunk.
If I was a US cop, I'd want a bazooka in my holster. Seems like a rational point of view, given the number of killing machines floating around in freedom town.
Great contribution... Don't forget Israel! It's not the average gun owners that are the problem. With firearms being as cheap and plentiful as they are here in the states, the chances of a cop encountering an armed individual is high. And considering their line of work, most armed people they run into are going to be breaking the law by having a firearm. And cops most certainly do patrol high crime areas more. Which in and of itself is circular logic...cops start to patrol an area more, they make more arrests, it appears as if the crime rate goes up. They send more, resulting in more arrests, making it seem like the crime rate gets even higher. And so on and so forth...
American cops are trigger happy cowards. They need to be disarmed. Hell they need to be disband in general. We the people can police ourself. Community watches would be a great start.
I'm thinking along these lines. Not that the general population is militarized exactly but weapons seem too accessible. Sent from that phone I sent Dwight into the fire for.
the problem lies in our education and our propagan- oops I mean our unbiased news and media who obviously have no agenda whatsoever and how they condition us to be this mental paranoid neurotic society, where people shoot each other over trivial bull, while some other parts of the world, a guy can walk with an ak holstered on his back, and its considered normal, because over 70% of the civilian population is armed and despite all that, there are no school shootings, you dont hear about some drunk fuck walking in and mowing down 20 or 30 people with a drum magazine, and some how they exist on this planet occupying the same time and space as everyone else, obeying the same gravity laws, but they dont crave violence, they dont have that hunger to be constantly 'defensive', and on a not all that unrelated note. heres a quote from Mr Jesse Ventura: Edit- So what America should do, collectively as a society (In the spirit of 420) is smoke one big fat joint and chill the fuck out. The world needs to pay back America for all those time they came and brought great freedom and stability, and overthrew democratically elected governments, and come bring great freedom and stability, also drown us with pot.
Exactly. But the answer isnt to disarm the citizens Imo militarized polize are just fine. After all they are supposed to protect people. I just am against the police being run by corrupt people and stolen tax dollars. People AND police should both have the freedom to protect themselves no? Sent from my LG-E739 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
1) most people are law abiding citizens. regardless of firepower disparity they will respect a police officer. there ARE those that would fire upon police, but for the average patrol unit its not a realistic scenario. shots fired or potentially dangerous targets should be met with swift swat response anyway. what scenario can you actually picture the cops gun helping in besides some freak public shooter incident where the cop is at best a worthless feel good security measure anyway? 2) i assure you there are neighborhoods and certain areas that cops will not patrol (or barely ever do) because the population there is extremely anti police. i could see an unarmed cop in these areas being a liability, but again only if they step up the true policing of the area
1 - The short answer? Domestic disputes. DD's usually make up the bulk of any officers 'dangerous' calls, and have a notorious habit of turning ugly very fast. And that's just scratching the surface...theres plenty of other scenarios where having a firearm, even if it isn't fired, is crucial. It's just how it is in the States. And what the hell are you talking about, not a realistic scenario? You do know what police are tasked to do correct? It's their entire job to deal with the small percent of the population that DO have the potential to harm others. Seriously, what world do you live in? 2 - How am I supposed to respond to this? Your statement is so far removed from reality it's hard to know where to begin...these populations you talk about that are anti police are exactly the kind of people that police get paid to deal with. You're gunna have to do better in proving your point then 'trust me bro'...