Has capitalism failed?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Papfo, Mar 29, 2014.

  1. Anymore? We never were. We've always, since the establishment of this nation, had a mixed economic system, hence the Postal Clause, Commerce Clause, etc. Yes, we're less capitalist now and have/have had many capitalist elements, but we've never had a fully capitalist, fully free market, hence our legislated transition to the current mess we're in. Either capitalism clearly doesn't work and eroded into the shit for brains system we have now, or we've never truly been a capitalism nation.
     
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    I know there's dumb people out there, but it's not hard to grasp the concept...from wiki for said dumbfucks "Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy"
     
    is that a fair assessment of the term? 
     
    I dunno how oblivious and incurious one must be. It's a travesty if even 1% of people in the states don't know what it means.
     
  3. #23 lilro, Mar 31, 2014
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNtJO3VUyNA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMGoB01qiA

    Most people aren't this far gone, but you'd be surprised.
     
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  4. I getcha...lol only glimpsed through the vids but uhh ya...to an extent the "system" is to blame, however as is said "in the age of information, ignorance is a choice" errr suttin like that. I too want change like these seemingly uneducated folks but the answers to the questions feel like a pipedream and could only be triggered by a catastrophic/divine/life-altering/enlightening/insert word for some shit you wouldn't see coming event. 
     
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  5. No but the more the government interferes with capitalism the more problems they cause
     
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  6. If only the government had good people running it...shucks. Excessive greed would still linger around in a true capitalist system imo.
     
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    The most people who support capitalism are not aware of what they are really supporting.
     
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  8. freedom and justice

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  9. #29 SmokinP, Mar 31, 2014
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    Pure capitalism is like pure socialism unproven/never tried, so it has neither failed or succeeded...

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  10. Here is the thing though. Both claim to be stateless societies.

    In a stateless society people are free to echange goods and services. This is capitalism.

    Socialism is just a beliefe. It requirea people to share that belief within a free market system. It is not opposite of a free market system

    The stock market is a good example of how the public can own.means of production in a free market system.

    Caputalists and socialists need to stop arguing about emotional fallacies and start working together on what they both believe in. Freedom

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  11. We dont really have capitalism, so yes and no. Whatever we have has succeeded in it goal but failed humanity, as it has destroyed the earth and left many people in poverty.
     
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    Why are you arguing about capitalism when, judging by your remarks, you both seem to agree that the failure is statism? 
     
    You may as well be arguing about why planets appear to move in a reverse direction without addressing the fact that the geocentric model is wrong.
     
  13. My point though is that a pure communistic - socialistic system would be more beneficial for humanity.

    Because whereas capitalism is a system that promotes the amassing and the gathering of more wealth and money. Social classes would still exist. The rich would still be powerful.

    On the other hand a system which abolishes social classes and makes everyone equal would potentially remove humanity's greedy motives. Money would not have central role in our lives. People would instead focus on working as a wholle for mankinds cultural and scientifical advancement. Imagine the new heights we would achieve if we worked together.

    Keep in mind this is totally theoretical

    Also id like to thank you all for your answers, it is true capitalism exists nowadays only in its crony form. Sadly my uncle as a conservative businessman, can not see that. He believes that people like Donald Trump or George Soros and companies like Goldman Sachs and Apple, have actually helped mankind (and though that it is true in some extent , I.e apple's technological advancements) he overlooks all the crimes that they have commited ( I.e Soros.... do I need to say more?). Also he maintains that the companies that built and exploit the cheap labour in countries like china or taiwan, help their economies by providing jobs, and its the states fault for seting the minimum wage.
    What is your opinion on that?



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  14. There's no such thing as capitalism without statism.  The two have been fucking each other since forever.
     
    Do you really believe that pencil was made in a stateless grace?
     
    I think not.
     
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    Then your point is still missing the point. Socialism, communism, capitalism... it doesn't matter so long as statism remains the basis; it doesn't matter so long as violence and coercion are still centralized, institutionalized, and monopolized; it doesn't matter so long as it remains involuntary. They will all continue to fail because the gun in the room--the State--is being ignored.
     
    Stop wasting your time squabbling over the fine print and take a moment to spare some thought about the big red stamp of statism over it all.
     
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    Who sells the gun to the state for a profit?  
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=noL8nFSzsDc
     
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  17. "You make a knock off of Gap you go to jail, you go to prison.  They'll fine you.  But when you say to Gap or Walmart or these other companies, can't we have similar laws that protect the rights of the 18 year old women who made these garments.  They say no, that would be an impediment to free trade."
     
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    And that's the irreconcilable hypocrisy of capitalism.
     
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