Middle East News @MiddleEast_BRK 1m #Breaking Russian #Baltic_Fleet landing ships "Minsk" and "Kalinigrad crossed the #Bosporus today anroute to #Crimea pic.twitter.com/6L8HdRbrmf Euromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR 2m Russian troops attempted to disarm 36th brigade of Ukrainian armed forces. Provocation neutralized. krym.sos on fb |PR News #Crimea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TVyPiHVZ1A Unbadged units occupying Crimean Parliament https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWGluhvL7JI&feature=youtu.be Russia pushing new annex laws. http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140228/187971656/Russia-Lawmakers-Push-to-Simplify-Annexing-New-Territories.html Russia's responce to US. http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.577037 Russian general announces war on Ukraine. http://censor.net.ua/news/273368/rossiyiskiyi_vitseadmiral_obyavil_o_nachale_voyiny_s_ukrainoyi_djemilev http://puu.sh/7eiln.png http://puu.sh/7einK.jpg
Logged onto GC just to discuss this topic. The one issue I have with the ukrainian situation is the hypocrisy displayed by the US. They feel they have the right to occupy a country an ocean away. Yet will warn other nations against doing the same to countries who are their neighbors. I feel as if I have been following the changes in ukraine adequetely. I don't know if I'm missing some of the issue, some reason why it makes sense for the US to get involved in this issue but I'm hoping someone can shed more light on the situation.
I find it quite ironic that the American government is bashing and trashing Putin for this, while at the same time is involved in how many elective wars . . . ? And has invaded how many countries in the past 10-20 years? Hubris and hypocrisy at their best. EDIT: Heh, godson, ^ ^ we were thinking the same thing.
US signed a treaty in 1994 that we would protect Ukraine's borders which the US is falling short on. The way I see it is that if the US falls out on their promise we loose total credibility in the international community.
Washington pays no attention to treaties or laws that it doesn't like, the whole world knows they are full of shit so they have very little credibility to lose.
U The U.S. has a long history of breaking promises with friends/allies. The U.S. is going to go little more than huff&puff.
I saw a few videos on bbc where people from east end ukraine were asking to be absorbed into russia. On the other hand how Putin has been running his government for the past few years has been over the top. No shit. This could get worse than it already is if that's the case. The video you posted of helicopters flying into ukraine is definitely an intrusion of ukrainian borders if they are from a different nation. Now that you told me about the treaty it seems as if Russia may be baiting the US into a conflict.
Forgive my ignorance but I can't remember the last time the U.S. fell short on a treaty preventing the invasion of a country, let alone from Russia. Sure treaties are broken but I'm thinking more about the consequences of a domino effect. These treaties gave incentive for Russia to not invade but with no follow up I worry about a Cold War-esque climate where every nation tries to stockpile strategic weapons. These treaties kept that at bay.
Under that same treaty russia is within it's rights to be in crimea. Should they venture further though it may be a shitstorm.
That's pretty cryptic. Please tell me about this "world peace" that is being threatened. World peace is a pipe dream. To me it seems like it's Russia causing waves, not Washington.
That's what they claim too. http://rt.com/news/un-ukraine-russia-agreements-278/ Doesn't change the situation. @MiddleEast_BRK: #BREAKINGNEWS The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense said at 0:01am: Russian attack on Ukrainian bases on #Crimea to begin 5AM At 1am local time on March 1st, the Ministry of Defense issued a statement that they received intel informing of an attack on Ukrainian military installations between 2-5am, and that the Ukrainian army would respond if attacked.
Wonderful ad hominem. For the record I don't haven't had cable TV for over 2 years. I do everything online. I don't know what point you're trying to make saying Washington jeopardizes world peace when Russia is fucking invading a country that just liberated itself after months of revolution. What you said doesn't tell me anything about this 'world peace' you think we currently live in.
Doesn't change the situation. @MiddleEast_BRK: #BREAKINGNEWS The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense said at 0:01am: Russian attack on Ukrainian bases on #Crimea to begin 5AM At 1am local time on March 1st, the Ministry of Defense issued a statement that they received intel informing of an attack on Ukrainian military installations between 2-5am, and that the Ukrainian army would respond if attacked. [/quote] Now that's sketchy as hell. Any idea what their local time is in est?
Now that's sketchy as hell. Any idea what their local time is in est? [/QUOTE]Most of europe/Middle east is anywhere from 5 to 12-13 hours AFTER US time. For example, in Europe it's been the 1st of March for 4 hours already. In Israel it's been since 6 hours ago, some parts of the middle east since 9 hours ago I'm high so forgive me if I played monkey business with them words, i cant really think straight right now
I don't think Russia will attack first. If anything it's turning out like Georgia. They are going by the precedent set by NATO during the war with Georgia. NATO didn't do shit even though Georgia had counted on NATO's help. Why? The official line of NATO was that it was because Georgia attacked first. This is why Russia is doing what they are doing now. They need the Ukraine to attack first, then they can justify a full scale invasion and reinstate a pro-Russian government. This is why Obama commended Ukraine's constraint in his speech. From Wikipedia: During the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, Georgia launched a large-scale military offensive against South Ossetia, in an attempt to reclaim the territory. Georgia claimed that it was responding to attacks on its peacekeepers and villages in South Ossetia, and that Russia was moving non-peacekeeping units into the country. Replace Georgia with Ukraine and South Ossetia with Crimea and its what we are dealing with now, if the Ukraine responds with military action to Russia's troop movements.