OK so it has been a while since I have posted in here. But figured it might be a good place as I am sure there are some attuned ears around these parts. I read on a regular basis, if at all minimum I like to get a chapter in a night if I am really pushed for time, but I am always looking for a good hour or so to sink my mind into a good read. I have been reading a bit on spirituality, mostly Daoism, Buddhism and Zen. As well as heavily being into space exploration, both science fiction and nonfiction. And to top it all off philosophy (which is such a broad spectrum of topics that for now we will just use that one word) (Or reasoning). I have been forming ideas these last 6 months or so, being on a constant search and seek for answers, or ideas to stimulate my mind. Swim mixed this in with some mind trips on special occasions over the years and you can see where this might be going. (swim doesn't smoke by the way, but occasionally bakes) I have decidded to share it on here because i think this level of thinking is either too much for my friends or they just don't care too much (2 friends who I told, who out of all of them I figured would either have somethig to come back with or just generally challenge it didn't) I am by no means crazy, haha... Just wild with ideas right now and I think that they should be shared. Here is a list of 4 books I am reading that will introduce my theory/idea. TRANSCENDING THE LEVELS OF CONSCIOSNESS - DAVID R HAWKINS THE COSMIC ECO SYSTEM - ALAN JOHNSTON SUPER NATURE - LYALL WATSON THE TAO OF PHILOSOPHY - ALAN WATTS DOES GOD PLAY DICE - IAN STEWART SOPHIE'S WORLD - JUSTINE GARDNER SIMULACRA + SIMULATION - JEAN BAUDRILLARD --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The basic theory is this: The Universe is a system that is conscious and 'programmed' (or not). Like any system, the whole is the sum of its parts, and there are many many parts that are all a part of this intricate system of 'expansion' and 'consciousness' (including us) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will try to keep my ideas short and simple to understand. As well as being straight to the point. Currently heavily reading THE COSMIC ECO SYSTEM for the 2nd time now. A great book that explores the inner workings of the universe. Written in 1980, which is eons away in space time, but the information is or was very up to date at the time of the books publication and still to this day from what I know. There's one chapter that really got me, Galactic Evolution. It basically describes in previous chapters about the nature of the universe, what it is, what it consists of and explores ideas of what its purpose could be (if any) (this book is written from science fact but he has a way to make it sound magical). This chapter Galactic Evolution goes to say how galaxies are basically almost cogs in a wheel, 'manufacturing' hydrogen, which in turn 'gives' the universe/space a means to expand and as the theory goes, fills the ever expanding universe with enough hydrogen to form more stars, planets and galaxies etc and the loop goes on (until total entropy sets in). Now this made me wonder. Why? Why is this system in place. It is akin to DNA almost, with a set of instructions. Ths is a very very introcate process. Perhaps not just happned by mere chance. I am not going into the idea of a master creator, God, divine being or what have you. (When we say God, people instantly get an idea that there's a religion standing in the way, I should state that I don't believe in any religion, but try to follow a spiritial path through Daoism) (although not heavily - but it certanly has some effect on my thinking). That massive system is out there, incredibly untouchable and unimaginable! Unfolding itself out into space. The void. It's huge beyond beliefe. Then, you have the little human race on planet earth, going about being some destructive ungrateful motherfuckers! You don't see stars starting wars with other stars, or solar systems destroying other solar systems, who knows maybe our universe is in the middle of a war right now? (I am trying to keep this together) So where are we, galaxies, consciousness, expansion, DNA, purpose, GOD, wars.. What is all this universe? The only thinkable explanation I like to give it is that (I am sure a lot of you think this) but our universe is possibly a part of something much much bigger. Perhaps a cell of sorts, a part of a multi celular organism (of unimaginale size - in some fucking higher than high dimension). Or just some self governing or automated system/being that we can never imagine. If we was to see this, it would proably just phyically blow our mind. No, like there's just NO WAY you could survive what you would see. Imagine now getitng a tiny single cell organism, lets say the Mycoplasma Genitalium (who might be as big as planet earth compated to the entire universe), lets say you plucked him out your body (the equivalent of 42 billion light years) and sat him on your window ledge and said take a look outside (cue the realists) I know they don't have a conscience, nether would we if we went to the very edge of the universe and took a look beyond the edge. There's no word to describe what would happen. What is to say that the Mycoplasma Genitalium isn't a universe itself? This is a bit of an example: http://www.policymic.com/articles/81873/experience-just-how-big-the-universe-is-in-one-mind-blowing-interactive My other book TRANSCENDING THE LEVELS OF CONSCIOUSNESS comes in to this. R. Hawkins basically through scientific research, knowledge and some daring engraving, sumerises the levels of consciousness into 2 groups, with each group having 8 layers, levels or 'emotions' each. The groups are simply 'Negative' and 'Positive'. And the idea is that as living organisms, we either make our way through these levels, or are simply 'born' into them. Or you can to some degree acquire or learn them). For example, only 10 or 20 people have ever reached 'calibrated' level 1000 and they where people like Buddha, jesus, Ghandi etc. Negative emotions: SHAME/DESPAIR GUILT APATHY GRIEF FEAR DESIRE ANGER PRIDE Positive emotions: COURAGE NEUTRALITY WILLINGNESS ACCEPTANCE REASON LOVE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, JOY AND ECSTASY PEACE, BLISS AND ILLUMINATION SELF REALIZATION FULL ENLIGHTENMENT Trancendence (a summary chapter) SPIRITUAL TRANSFORMATION LIMITATIONS AND DISTRACTIONS PASSING THROUGH THE GATES TRANSCENDING THE MIND BECOMING THE PRAYER I must say that this book is quite an enjoyable read and easy to get into. So where the hell am I going with this? What I am trying to say is that EVERYTHING is linked through layers of consciousness and perhaps one master plan or end goal. Everything and everyone from that Mycoplasma Genitalium (ultimate lower levels of consciousness) to our very own Universe or God (ultimate higher levels of consciousness) and that as I stated beofre, a whole is the sum of its parts and that we are all conected through this. The question is then 'So what is consciousness?' My theory is that consciousness is a process or 'mechanism' adhered by either God (The Universe) or nature (are there differences here) as a unifying force for all living organisms that exist in this bubble we call the universe. Many wise and spiritual people have kept in tune with nature/God, listening and understanding what she/he has to teach about our place on this little planet (The true essense of nature that is). A lot of wise 'connected' people live with nature, and not against it. There's so much to learn. The ancients had it down. So we are connected to the universe through consciousness. You all know how big this place is right? Roughly 400 to 500 billion galaxies - each containing around 200 to 400 billion stars. Hmmm.. Hands down there is life. Conscious and unconscious. Different levels of consciousness all scattered thorughout this universe. The mind can wander! Is this very idea a part of the 'plan' or the 'evolution' of the universe that we know. Is there meant to be some universal conection of all consciousness living organisms who have reached that enlightened stage? And those who couldn't quite get there, get left behind. Perhaps blown back to pieces to start all over again through a cyclical process known as The Big Bang (if you belive that). After all it is survival of the fittest (we know that galaxies can devour other galaxies). There is I believe something more than what we will ever imagine (at least in this dimensional plane). Something so big, and yet so small, something so complicated but so obviously simple! From a persona point of view, I think it's our duty to make that connection. It could be with a fellow hunman being, andothr living creature, a tree, a stone, a beach, the sun, fresh air, the stars and beyond. Because we are all connected in some way or another. Did that make any sense?
I'm just laughing that you said Ghandi. LOL No, but in all seriousness, I think you're on the right track. As above so below. You should look into hermeticism. Perhaps the Kybalion to start it off. If you like Alan Watts, chances are you will Love Manly P. Hall ( Or hate him- depending on why you like Alan Watts )
500 billion galaxies each with 400 billion stars.. what if we could just move through them? we would be so op to all other forms of life
Well i enjoy reading Watts because of his child like approach to often difficult to grasp subjects and his charasmatic nature. Even listening to him is better, some sense of controlled eccentricity. I will look into Manly P Hall yeah thanks!
Also Satoru.... Just reading about 'as above so below' maxim. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism#Philosophy Can't beat a good wiki for first point of contact.. Yeah this is pretty much what I was getting to!! Really interesting to read how it was a formiing all in one beliefe system that was doctored by the Christians.
all im going to say is never believe you know anything. it sounds like you have a nice model, but there is no truth to the universe. no meaning, no purpose beyond what you bestow it with your ideas. to hold any idea steadfast is to limit yourself and your expansion of understanding. edit: i just started reading a book called time, space, and knowledge which may very well be up your alley. part of a series on....(reality?) written by an exiled tibetian monk
Too abstract for me. I think about consciousness now there are seven billion minds on just earth thinking on a similar level of consciousness and capability to feel suffering. And animals too, less intelligent but equally in their own heads. Telepathy and psychicness backs your theory slightly but I think that comes from something else. No plan through consciousness. Interconnectivity is through intuition and evolutionary advancement s and letting go of ego. By acknowledging the more you're not alone you can better connect with others. Just my theory .
Truth is in the eye of the beholder is it not? aka subjectivity?? Books don't give you wisdom, what you do with the information is what matters most. I could read 50 shades of grey and get wisdom. Or read the Corpus Hermeticum from 5000 years ago and get the same wisdom. I have not heard of krishnamurti before, I have just had a quick read, I will be sure to add his name to my list. Also guys... As we are sharing reads here, one book that really blew my mind was by Jacob Bronowski - On The Origins of Knowledge and Imagination. Well worth a read.
yes, which is what i say right after the part u quoted lol. however, there is no ultimate truth outside what you find it to be.
And this is exactly what the human race has done for the last 8,000 years. There is no 'truth'. I am sure there is another word in the chinese text for truth, and it means something totally different. Truth is a tricky one. Back on to the book I suggested in the last post, 'On The Origins of Knowledge and Imagination' by Jacob Bronowski. I have just dug the book out because I remember a paragraph from last time I read it. You said: Here's what I read and, if there was such a thing as truth, this sentence would be pretty close. 'The act of the imagination is the opening of the system so that it shows new connections. Every act of imagination is the discovery of likenesses between two things which were thought unlike. And the example I gave was Newton's thinking of the likeness between the thrown appleand the moon sailing majestically in the sky. All acts of imagination are of that kind. They take the closed system, they inspect it, they manipulate it, and they find something which had not been put into the system so far. They open the system up, they introduce new likenesses. All those who imagine take parts of the universe which have not been connected hithero and enlarge the total connectivity of the universe by showing them to be connected' - Jacob Bronowski - Perhaps this explains my ideas more. Like I said, these are the authors that have shaped my thinking (as well as the people in my life, places I have visited, the sites I have seen and my physica and mentall experiences all in all). We are a 'product' of our environment in every sense. \t
Maybe we're a physical manifestation of star alignment and other large bodies of matter interacting with each other. The math is beyond human comprehension, but life is just a higher dimension of perceiving said math. Take into account how accurate astrology is. Our DNA defines everything we do. We are one gigantic math equation, including our thoughts. Think of how your brain works. Everything we percieve is billions of cells moving from once side to the other. Because there's the level of though, we're able to percieve life on a concsious level. Think of how binary works and relate that to expansion No one knows for sure (i dont even know if this sentence is true for sure), but its fun to ponder things and keep an open mind. Just never believe you have it figured it out because that's the easiest way of putting yourself under the glass ceiling
Uhm.... what? you said: "but there is no truth to the universe. no meaning, no purpose beyond what you bestow it with your ideas." then you say: "to hold any idea steadfast is to limit yourself and your expansion of understanding." Isn't THAT ^ ^ ^ exactly what your doing? EDIT: Holding one idea (of the universe) steadfast?
when i say "but there is no truth to the universe. no meaning, no purpose beyond what you bestow it with your ideas." that is what i think currently. it is my personal view on the matter, but i always accept that my ideas may be incorrect, and they are certainly always evolving. i also have many different models of the universe, world,topics, etc. and accept that any of them (or none of them) may be correct. however, its impossible not to have a "go to" model that seems most correct to me personally and usually gets used in conversation like that.
Conciousness is way more complicated than any of us know. I've done extensive research on the subject. My best understanding of it is that in this physical world he have a very limited view and our conciousness is being cut down like a reducing valve. It has been reduced down and is limited to our brain and awareness of the physical world, mental world, dream world, Some of us are lucky to have out of body conciousness(not me yet, working on it tho). Some areas for you to study: Dr. Eben Alexander. A neurosurgeon who believed conciousness was created by the brain. All his life he was raised as a scientists and became a neurosurgeon. He dismissed any claims of patients having extra-ordinary experiences and claimed they were brain based hallucinations. He learned later that there is no way this could be the case as he himself would find from his OWN experience. He contracted sever bacterial meningitis which took over his brain and body. His neocortex was shut down and had no activity throughout the duration of his coma for a week. Though during that time he was able to experience another reality. Beautiful beyond description, free of pain, Multi-leveled and multi-dimentional, Vast, Some parts with earthly resemblances, but mostly new and exciting. He's written a book his experience called "proof of heaven", and despite the someone christian sounding title the book has NO religious affiliated words or views expressed within it. I've read it and its amazing, got it off walmart shelves even.. Daniel Tammet The world record holder for the longest pronounciation of the mathematical symbol pi. With one reading of the number he was able to recite the number from memory for nearly 12 hours. He is also a mathematical savant who can do math equations to further decimal places in his head than most calculators can show. This ability began when he was only 4 years old after he had an epileptic seizure. The odd question is .. How does something that causes damage to the brain tissue end up changing it in a new way that causes extra-ordinary super human abilities? He is not the only person to be affected this way. Other cases include a child who was struck in the head with a baseball and became unconcious. Later he awakened and with the ability to draw anything from memory perfectly. His ability increased by an event most of us would believed to cause damage to the brain's ability. How is this possible? The afterlife of Billy Fingers A woman begins communicating with her brother after his death and learns about the other side and about death through him. I haven't read this book, but the youtube videos are great. More on my belief We are here to experience something new and different. It is something that only this world can offer. To experience pain, Ignorance, and separation of universal love. The knowledge of good and evil is what we have partaken(research David Serada meets Jesus). With the knowledge of good and evil we chosen to separate ourselves conciously from universal love and light, David mentions it is actualy creating a shield that prevents universal love from reaching us. Here we experience things such as: Not knowing or ignorance, pain and suffering, fear, limited concious experience, time, love based on conditions or conditional love. Here love is conditional, you must be Good, attractive to the opposite sex, be liked by your peers based on what they want to see you as, or have parents who are gracious enough to love you even when you do stupid things out of ignorance and they know not to judge. Here we are all judgemental and the knowledge of good and evil has created these adverse conditions. It is said that we have signed up to be here. To learn and understand things from an entirely new perspective, giving us a new perspective on us as individuals, The only lesson we have when we depart are lessons we learn about our selves and our soul, It's the only thing you can take with you when you leave. In the other realm we have much broader concious awareness, we experience no pain, and we are immersed in the universal unconditional love of creation. (i myself cannot say i've experienced this, but there are many who can say they have)
Dr. Eben Alexander is a bad "doctor". When he fell into his coma, he was in the middle of a $3 million lawsuit. He is also tied for the most lawsuits against a doctor in the state of VA. The doctor treating him claims that his coma was medically induced, meaning he didn't really fall into a coma. His brain still had activity, where this "vision" of his took place. I'd say the possibility that he is lying out his ass so he could make money off of his book to make up for all that he lost in lawsuits is pretty good too. He got his book on Oprah and it shot up in sales.. hmmm, but no, you go ahead and believe his story since he is such a reputable neurosurgeon.. Daniel Tammet has Asperger's syndrome, which is autism. As we all know autistics are typically good with numbers and patterns.. so it not real surprise. His seizures may have led to his Asperger's, or he may have been born with it already. If his seizures did do it, it'd be more than likely because the brain rerouted around the damaged areas and the new route landed him where he is now. There are a couple other savants who say that his ability with pi is simply the work of intense brain training, but its probably more because of both his condition and training.. and jealousy.
Whoa.. lol, notice how all I did was comment on 2 people, that you told us to study for ourselves? Yes, I am pretty sure the doctor is full of shit. His coma wasn't a natural coma, it was medically induced. When the brain shuts down naturally and goes into a comatose state, it isn't the same as being in a coma that's medically induced. Not only that, the doctor is Christian. He was a Christian even before his experience with "heaven". Not only that, he was a bad doctor.. He was accused twice of forging paperwork to coverup his mistakes, and you can see that he was 'reprimanded' a couple times. http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-eben-alexander-2vqf2/background-check#BackgroundBackgroundCheck_anchor The dude fused the wrong vertebrae on a patient, not once, but twice.. Ever hear the saying 'fool me once, shame on you.. fool me twice, shame on me'? So he is a shit doctor with obvious religious bias, who has this wonderful story coming out of a medically induced coma after being sued several times.. who then goes on Fox & Friends (lol) and Oprah to promote his book, which then skyrockets into a best seller position. This country is mostly Christian, so it's no surprise they go ape shit over a doctor who claims to have proof to back up their belief. How does that not seem fishy? I'm not trying to pick apart your personal belief, I am trying to pick apart what you use to back up your personal belief in hopes that you'll not use that to back up your belief. We already have enough people spreading misinformation, just doing what lil I can to keep people from spreading other people's misinformation because it backs up their personal belief. That's called confirmation bias, believing what someone else says right from the get-go cause it backs up what your already believe. If you've never experienced what he did and you know that he could be full of shit, why spread his shit even more? Pretty sure God/universe/consciousness wouldn't look too kindly on spreading someone else's lies about itself..
So I went with my sister to some ESP demonstration at the Edgar Cayce 'compound' in VA Beach, she had to go for a class at school. It was the typical bullshit I expected.. but saw a flyer that Eben will be there in November. I kind of want to go so I can laugh at him and call him a fraud.. They also have the Ancient Alien guys there in October, but I doubt I'll go to that.