Cannabutter, The Right Way

Sighh i typed a whole reply already to you but my phone messed up and it disappeared i guess, always clarify
you butter or use Ghee butter which is already clarified and youll be fine, but unsalted is best because you want as little extras in the butter as possible for maximum absorption. For buds i use from .35 per brownie to .8, a .35 gets a casual user completely baked and sedated, but a heavy smoker normal stoned. A .8 is good for a very heavy smoker to reach the desired effect of pure sedation. This is of top grade herbs, for trim and frosty stems as long as they are pretty dank use anywhere from a .5 to 2 or even 3 grams. it depends on the person, a .5 would be sufficient for a very occasional user and 2 grams good for a heavy smoker. Find your inbetween, try a gram, but everyone is different so it is hard to say but im giving you a general guideline. Just experiment. Also using coconut oil and the recipe i gave is best. However different process slightly, i didnt post it yet because most people dont want to stand over the stove for hours.

You still decarb the trim or herb, but no need to clarify coconut oil. Coconut oil is best for absorption, use my
method with the soy lecithin as well however get the oil to 220 defrees F or use the technique above to estimate the temperature by sight. Cook for 90 minutes, freeze overnight, cook another 30 minutes. Thats two hours, cook more and up to 5 hours for a less head high and more body high... you made not feel as high but you will certainly be able to fall asleep if that is your desired effect. With coconut oil especially dont worry about using too much because it will absorb more thc than a human being would ever think to try to transfer to it. Ive seen coconut cannaoil that was put into small capsules...1 ml... and had a half gram of hash absorbed into it, so strong.

By the way i gave you a dosing generalized number for a single use. If you use a .5 dose, and make 12 brownies, use 6 grams in one stick of butter or oiland use that for the brownies. One stick is a 1/4 pound or 112 grams or 4 oz. Good luck and let me know how it goes, either way you want the butter or oil at the end of cooking it to be very very dark brown or black... once it freezes the color is lightened but in liquid form it should be black. If it is, the oil and herb is sufficiently processed. If not, try processing longer and making the stove slightly high if you dont have a thermometer. But i suggest getting one, you dont wanna have to redo it or destroy the thc and lose that precious herb. Also the cooking can be done in the oven in a pyrex dish tightly double sealed in foil or an oven bag, with the foul do not wrap it fully around the container around the bottom, just cover the top and halfway down the side. If you fully wrap it on the bottom it will not get as hot and process correctly. Good luck and let me know how everything goes.

 

Great im glad it worked for you. Yes unfortunately some double boilers are tough to get hot enough, personally in the past when i used mine i had to keep my stove on max and its electric which is hotter than gas. And as far as the decarb goes you dont lost much thc if you dont cover it, its just better. 80 min at 212 works as well, however they do say decarb at 220 but i do it at 240 because i found it works better. I feel the bud doesnt get the right temperature unless i make it slightly hotter than i want it to be.

 

If you read my post before commenting on it you'd see i mentioned it in the very first post. Its great and all if you dont wanna be stuck in the kitchen, but thats all its good for, it does not decarb and does not clarify butter in the way we mean it. Yes technically heating and cooking the butter/oil and herb does decarb it and does clarify the butter....to the most
minute extent, the magical butter does it no more than it would in your pot on the stove. It is insufficient and herb decarboxylates in dry heat not moist, and clarifying the butter includes removing th milk solids, not just removing the water content which by the way occurs by heating butter in any vessel. Let me make it clear that for best results when using a magical
butter you still need to decarb and clarify. The magical butter is ONLY good for accurately holding a certain temperature for a certain amount
of time. Youd get the same results doing it yourself, its just the lazy man (like me) way.

 

Heres a study thats enough to prove how you should decarb. http://www.marijuanagrowershq.com/decarboxylating-cannabis-turning-thca-into-thc/ And i do know what im talking about been doin this a long time and i own a magical butter. If you visit BadKats Cannapharm
you will see that she says the same thing i am saying. and knowing her background i trust her and this study
more than the ones youve showed me. Her and the study i posted are just way more credible. Heres numbers and a post by BadKitty that proves you are wrong. You can argue i dont care im
here to try to share facts not compare dicksize.

Now that the devices are becoming popular many users have recently been sharing lab results displaying fewer than 20% - 40% decarboxylated cannabinoids even after 3 x 2hr intervals (6hrs total) and full 8 hour runs in the butter machine at the high temp setting, as seen in a cannabinoid profile chart from a patient in CA.

"Magic Butter Run
Serving Size: 1 Dropper Full = 1.02g
0.03mg CBG-A
0.12mg CBG
0.15mg CBG-TOTAL
1.05mg ∆9-THC-A
0.62mg ∆9-THC
< 0.01mg ∆8-THC
< 0.01mg CBN
1.67mg THC-TOTAL
0.02mg CBD-A
< 0.01mg CBD
0.02mg CBD-TOTAL
0.02mg CBC
0.76mg ACTIVATED-TOTAL
∆9THC + ∆8THC + CBN + CBD + CBG + CBC "


Being a heated blender is convenient.... but keep in mind, that it's still just a container, heated to a certain temperature.


The heating performance and the heat created by the trendy butter making devices is no different or better than any other heat source, the magic butter container does not magically decarb any more, or less, or any faster or slower, than the same herb in the exact same environment in a double boiler, or in the oven.
This is why in all those cases, including the magic butter machine, pre-grinding and decarbing beforehand is still the optimal, fastest, and most effective method to ensure complete decarboxylation in a reasonable amount of time. It's also worth noting that, for the same reason that canning jars are intended to vent out, and not hold steam and vapors under heat and pressure, the Magic Butter machines also do vent some steam and odor; the more fragrant the starting material, the more odor will be detected.


If you need odor control:

Instead use an oven bag or a few layers of flexible foil; you can seal in and preserve terpenes and aromatics even better, and all by simply using any heat safe container you have at your disposal. The oven bag (or a convex wrapping of foil that will bow outwards with heat) can expand with the heat and terpene vapors more than a completely firm container, then the expanded seal, vapors and all, condense once cooled.


Back to decarboxylation, a brief 25 - 30 minute exposure to dry heat will encourage a rate of decarboxylation, that hours of the same temperature while submerged in oil can not. Decarboxylation occurs readily and at a much faster pace when exposed to dry air and oxygen. We encourage a fair amount of decarboxylation before soaking the plant matter, to ensure a fast and complete decarb without relying on an overly extended heating process in the oil or butter, which, besides devoting more time heating than necessary, can for some people produce too much degradation and CBN where the metabolic action resulting in CBN formation via THC degradation is not as hindered by submersion in lipids as the release of carboxylic acid. While 6 hours mixed in butter or oil at nearly 250 F in the butter machine can leave more than two-thirds of your cannabinoids inactive, a quick 30 minute dry decarb will produce fully active cannabinoids, after just a 2 hour oil extraction at only 220F.


The freezing cycle that some refer to, further ensures bioavialability after extraction; eating extracted cannabis glandular material is all well and good, but for the same reason we get better effects from an edible hash oil made with butter or oil than we do by popping pure active hash and concentrates, ensuring full bioavailability in oil when making canna oil direct from flowers, by taking steps that go beyond simple extraction and that actually encourage rapid and complete digestion, also gets you more bang for your buck. By completing simple steps and processing properly, rather than cutting corners and using simple devices and hoping for the best, you can cut down on your required dosage size while increasing the strength and length of your edible experience.



It's not at all that the machines don't work, they do! Like many of the add-butter-and-weed-to-a-heat-source and wait-x-hours methods, they perform a certain amount of extraction, and they allow for a certain amount of active material to be present in the solvent of your choice.

But don't give them more credit than they merit, where a container in the oven or a double boiler performs the exact same task... going even further to allow you to take advantage of a dry decarb.... and while providing a broader range of times and temperatures to choose from, to boot!

When patients have asked about the butter machines, if they have the cash I say go for it, "just so long as you're still prepared to decarb first to save time and potency, and prepare to still do most of the straining by hand".

Otherwise, when the butter machines come up I just recommend using the tools we already have access to, or better, buying one of the simple $25-30 dollar, two to four cup electric french presses and espresso machines they're based on. The electric french presses even come with a neat little straining and plant-matter-agitation aide.



Anyhoo, just make sure you understand what the machines actually are, and how they compare to any container that you can heat using any other heat source, before hoping you've found a magic solution to making oil easily.

 

And by the way, exactly what made you think that submerging herb into butter in that blender with nothing but a blade to mix with and a temperature node was any different at all to submerging butter in a pot on the stove and heating it to the same
temperature while stirring. Logically it makes no sense that anyone would believe the magical butter decarbs more than a pot on the stove. it is literally the same thing, what does the blender do? magically talk to the thca and decarboxylate it into thc? i know its called
magical butter but did you really think it performed magic?

By the way those numbers are AFTER the magical butter did its work, all
that acid that couldve been made psychoactive smh.... and dont say you werent saying the magical butter wasnt any better than a pot and stove method. And just because im slapping you around right now with the right facts doesnt mean that im
trying to be a dick. I just needed to prove my case to prevent users from being
misguided when reading the thread. After all i posted this to clarify a correct method that takes different sources to put together. Good luck on whatever method you choose to utilize.

 

Lol i proved dry decarb is necessary and heat no matter what way it is created willcproduce a perfect cannaoil. Whether its a campfire or a magical butter, as long as the oil and herb get to the proper temp and is agitated for the same amount of time, it will produce the same results. Dry decarb is the way to decard, the study and badkat prove that. I never said the magical butter doesn't decarb, i said it doesnt decarb sufficiently as proven by lab results. Decarb for even 8 hours in the magical butter still did not decarb more than 40%. Dry decarb gets you up to 99% without degrading THC, sorry but you did get smacked.

 

Decarbing is definitely necessary, a few months ago i had made
my first batch in about a month and forgot to decarb when i felt how the high was i knew i did something wrong then realized. You should always decarb and it enhances all aspects of the high because it activates all the cannabinoids not just thc. During the coolong process you determine the type of high, cook for a shorter period around 90 minutes for a good cerebral high and decent body high, cook for up to 5 hours and each hour longer you cook it, the head high is less and the body stone is more, 2 hours is a good median. This works great for coconut oil, i suggest using that i explained it in one of my
posts in this thread. Using the vaped bud is a good idea and doesnt need decarbing. It will only enhance the potency, just not the flavor. Good luck and let me know how you do.

 

Thank you for repeating the information already in the original post. And you can continue to deny i showed you proof, its proven on paper and in my experience, oh and badkittysmiles only the top edible cook on the website and internationally known, but hey you can be stubborn and think you're right. If you dont care then stop posting on the thread thank you.

 

Thanks a lot man, im glad to hear you will be trying it. Over decarbing wont make it sticky. That would only make
it extremely dry, maybe you didnt decarb enough because of your ovens temp control? Did you wrap the foil all the way around the top and bottom of the dish? if you did that the herb will not heat up enough. Maybe there was something on the dish still that released when heated? thats all i can think of. And your oil actually looks good, color is right, you should strain it now, and are those
large stems? you should chop them up as well. Good luck and let
me know how it came out. From the way it
sounds it should be pretty damn good, what dose did you use?

 

Interesting, try the submerged decarb if you want, personally I havent tried it because this method works perfect for me. Also 2 tsp of soy lecithin is too much for 2 tablespoons of oil, use just a pinch like 1/4 tsp for that amount.