Banning guns does not stop killing at all, look at Europe. People will beat you with a bat or with fists. It is my right to have the most defensive weapon to stop an attacker.
Here is what was going on 20 years ago during the Clinton anti-gun era. I used to listen to G. Gordon Liddy's radio show back then and he read this over the air. I found it online and saved it. Note: In the first sentence, "LFP" refers to Larry Flint Publications. For those who weren't around then (around 1980?) he was the founder of "Hustler" magazine and was shot and permanently disabled. "Hustler" was the first widely-distributed magazine that showed "pink," lol, and Flynt got into all kinds of legal trouble over it. I think the shooting had something to do with it, but I don't remember what. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This editorial appeared in a national gun magazine during the "assault weapons" and large-capacity magazine ban era in 1994. To some it may be disturbing, to others it will be refreshing. Editorial from "MODERN GUN," October, 1994 Perhaps it was fate that caused me to call LFP's President last year to see if he would like to do a military or gun magazine. It seemed like bad timing to start a major new national and international gun magazine at a time when the government is going socialist, and with their need to confiscate guns to enable enforcement of the new order already in progress, but in spite of all this, it has worked out very well. If I didn't have this job, I would not have learned of the following information, which I personally related to the offices of several U.S. Senators and Representatives. Some of this information was based upon an anonymous letter I got from a reader about six months ago-a letter long since destroyed, but one that lingers on in my memory, written by a person I felt had an extensive military background. In my call to the Senators, I mixed in some firearm-industry sales information as well as what I have been hearing around the country. Well, if I can call U.S. Senators Ben Nighthorse Campbell (D-Colo), Hank Brown, (D-Colo), Robert Dole, (R-Kan), George Mitchell, (D-Maine), and Bob Michel (R-Ill), and "Modern Gun" special projects editor Robin Heid can inform blithering idiot Pat Schroeder's (D-Colo) aide in a face-to-face meeting at Pat's Denver office, then I can sure tell you folks. In fact, you might want to send a copy of this editorial to your elected officials, because very few, if any, have considered what follows. THE CALL BEGINS You folks (politicians) do not really understand what is going to happen when this anti-gun legislation goes into effect; let me first tell you about the gun industry. Ever since October, 1993, gun sales of all types have grown so quickly that the factories - all of them - are anywhere from 16,000 guns back-ordered for a small specialty company to 178,000 for one major company. (I told them the names of these, plus several others that have back-orders from the 45,000 to 56,000 range due to buyer demand) I told them that it was even getting difficult to quickly get guns for articles, and that getting high-capacity rifle and pistol magazines was next to impossible, except for the rare supply of military surplus at gun shows. I related that many makers of primers and ammunition are back ordered until June of 1995, and that major wholesale distributors of ammunition are now scrounging for any 9mm, .45 ACP, 5.56 mm, 7.62mm NATO, 7.62 x 39mm, .38/.357 and .30-06 ammo that they can get; I told of the small foreign-bullet manufacturer who went to the SHOT show to try to sell 5 million 9mm bullets, and came out after one day with orders for 97 million; that the sales of certain types of powder for reloading are beyond belief, and making it nearly impossible for even major ammo makers to turn out product. Then I asked the aides: Do you think that the people who are buying this stuff in these quantities are doing so to prepare for when these socialist laws go into effect, so that they can turn this stuff in? The aides gave me the answer: no! I then told them that when this "government" makes things like magazines, springs, bayonet lugs, pistol grips, etc., federally illegal, a person may as well go out and get a machine gun or something even more deadly; after all, a federal crime is a federal crime, and a felony is a felony. If our government is going to artificially create nearly 40 million citizen/criminals, a significant percentage will get real serious about their new "job title." Again, the aides agreed. Who will these new criminals be? Well, they won't be some gang-banger dirtbag who never finished the fifth grade, has no job, does drive-by shootings, holds up liquor stores and sells crack. This new federal criminal will consist of men who are combat and military veterans from WWII, Korea, the Dominican Republic, Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama, Saudi, and special operation forces from around the world. Many of these veterans really know how to shoot, move and communicate, and have killed. Men who are no longer afraid of hostile artillery and are hardly intimidated by a BATF agent in a ninja outfit! The new criminal class will be made up of men, women and their children, who are educated, run businesses or make businesses work, and have raised or are raising families. People who pay taxes and currently make this country work. In other words, a serious bunch of potentially real mean, smart cookies who can make things happen. The military may oppose them, but as the Russian experience taught, many "kids" don't join the military to kill fellow citizens. Now the aforementioned citizen criminal class will eliminate a lot of people, and the people terminated, according to this letter, will include city, state and national politicians, local and regional media personalities (the propaganda arm) all form of law-enforcement (drive-up assassinations while they are in their cars), and just common everyday federal employees. The chilling part of the letter also said that the families, neighbors, friends and co-workers, and the children and wives of these people, would be under assault so as to cut off any moral and real support. His scenario is similar to the famous Phoenix Program in Viet Nam, which found that by attacking the infrastructure and its supporters, change can be forced - or else! And who wants to be the next person (target) to lead, collect guns or taxes, or sell the party propaganda at a network affiliate or newspaper, in any capacity, from secretary to reporter, camera operator, or, especially, announcer or columnist? Naturally, this activity would result in more government controls, which would meet with more citizen resistance, and all of this could ultimately lead to all-out civil war. Yes, I know I am pushing the envelope of supposition, but this is how civil wars start. I related to the senatorial aides that less than 2% of guns were declared after California passed their state law against semi-auto rifles, and that less than 0.2% of the "semis" were declared after Denver passed their gun law. This means that tens of millions nationwide will not comply, creating the world's largest "criminal" class of people, all of which will fight, and fight hard, to turn things around. While I did not relate the following excerpt, it is quite possibly our future. From the book "Atlas Shrugged," written in 1930 by Ayn Rand, I quote: "The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when their aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kinds of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you can cash in on the guilt." I continued by telling them that they knew that gun control had nothing to do with crime, and everything to do with control of the citizenry. I asked them to work hard to communicate this to their contemporaries in Congress: They are about to create a nation of law-breakers. They took this to heart, and did not receive this as a threat (hell, I told them who I was, etc. In fact, I was referred to Campbell directly by his aide's Colorado State Representative). I will tell you folks, for the first time in my life, this particular government has me scared out of my wits for my personal and national security, and fear held by millions of Americans does not promote polite behavior. I really don't think that the politicians and media people at all levels know what they are creating, because a direct "price" has not yet been extracted from them for their actions. All of the Senators' aides I talked with were surprised at the industry numbers and data, and especially surprised at the concept of a huge, smart and highly experienced criminal class that they are about to create. In fact, one told me he had never thought of that, and he was the particular Senator's gun-legislation aide. I informed them that, to a huge percentage of our population, guns are not just a thing they will do without. To many in this country the military gun is a very real symbol of freedom. A symbol of the meaning of our original Constitution, of the legacy of millions of fallen brothers-in-arms over the last 250 years. I tried to communicate to them that, to many people, guns are nearly a religion. This concept is something many big-city Eastern or high-profile, heavily insulated and privately guarded, millionaire political-elitist types cannot understand. I told them that everyone knows any registration will lead to punitive taxation or outright confiscation down the road. After answering their questions, the calls were concluded. A couple of months ago I struck up a conversation with some guy at a gun show. Eventually I told him of the letter I received. He said examples like the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents would serve to control the population to some extent. However, he said illegal gun arrests would operate like drug busts. A friend, ex-wife, or paid informer would simply target old Joe's house as having "illegal guns," etc. Night time and odd hour SWAT type raids would result. He informed me that if you have these kinds of "illegal" items, you shouldn't tell people, show them, or fire them; you either put them to pre-emptive use or you better surrender them and accept whatever your government has in store for you. Hiding them in your home and then having a fire - which is always investigated by law enforcement - will result in your arrest, and burying guns in the hills is just plain silly, because, according to him, now is the time to fight, not later. He used the example of what would have happened to WW II if, in the early 1930's, German citizens would have taken action to stop an out-of-control government and propaganda machine. This old boy was dead serious; he knew combat and had survived bayonet and hand-to-hand fighting in Korea. The ability to stop the insanity is in the hands of Congress and their supporters in the media. The time is short. Citizens are very angry AND prepared. I'll tell you this, I sure as hell would not want to be in any form of law enforcement and have to enforce this craziness. Eighty thousand dollars a year is not enough pay when you have created one federal criminal out of every four adults in an entire country. SIDEBARS ------- WHEN IT'S OVER, IT'S OVER Most of you are aware that "Fat Boy" Clinton and the Chicago Housing Authority are trying to find a way to circumvent the Fourth Amendment to search - without warrants - public housing for firearms. As of this writing, the effort by the socialist control freaks has been upheld by a judge under Constitutional law. Fat Boy himself said he wants to find a way around this. Folks, when it happens, it is then only one easy step away from your house, and now you understand the military linkage to search-and-seizure practice. Is the military our enemy? No. Are the cops our enemy? No. The enemy is certain individual politicians and certain key individuals in the media. These key people will make it happen. Once that occurs, the police and federal authorities will carry out their orders, because that will then be the law. WELL ISN'T THAT JUST SPECIAL Recently overheard in a casual conversation between California's two "delightfully liberal" US Senators, Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein: "Since hunters only need their rifles for hunting, the state could require that all hunting rifles be registered and then turned in to special holding facilities until the proper hunting season, when they would be reissued to the owners who paid the maintenance tax." The other nodded in agreement and said, "We sure need to do something to get those guns too." WHY ELIMINATE MILITARY GUNS? In "Miller v. U.S.", 1938, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that civilian ownership of military-style arms is protected under the Constitution, but not the ownership of sporting, target, or hunting guns. Therefore, if the socialists can make ownership of military guns or components (magazines or parts) etc., impossible, taxable or somehow illegal, then what has been accomplished by this legal ruling? Are you "hunters" and other gun owners listening?
well well... do tell us all how that 16 year old child walked into a store and bought a couple of shotguns... and how the fuck did he buy a huge SUV... do tell us how a minor legally bought those things in the USA... <crickets> <chirp> oh he didn't buy the guns or suv...those items were his parents?...seems his parents were not only careless with guns but did a real shitty job in raising a kid...hold the parents accountable.,not the guns, guns are just pieces of metal that sit there..they can not move on their own..
Ok So you would rather have someone make a new thread about the exact same topic? Its a good thing when old threads get revived It means the search function is actually being used
It is a very serious topic. It deserves new threads every time ones dies. There is a real movement to take away guns from civilians. Even among civilians. It WILL cause a new nazi germany. History is repeating itself Sent from my LG-E739 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
Forgive him he is an.emotionally driven propoganda machine. He cannot help it Its like auto-pilot Sent from my LG-E739 using Grasscity Forum mobile app
It was a new incident and a bit off topic, especially when you consider the words of AW and Johnny. (See below quotes).
Yes I would. OP was referring to gun deaths in 2012. It's 2014. If we are going to discuss a changing issue with changing statistics, lets start a new thread. Just my opinion, last I checked I can share it. Yes I agree it's a topic that deserves a NEW thread because this one was dead. Not really, it's a very small minority, you are just always hungry for conspiracies. Nazi Germany? Huge speculation there you can't back up. History always repeats itself, big surprise. Nothing I said was emotional nor propaganda. You are just butt hurt because I said that about you and the truth hurts.
Nazi germany is a bit far. The US gov. would have to occupy every community and household at the same exact time to limit any sort of resistance, which the US is far too big, people have far too many guns, and there would be too many deserters in the ranks of the gov. to pull that off. Also, +rep for Monk creating his own meme lol.
"The reason I need 30 round mags for my semiauto rifle is because the Gov. has 30 round mags for their fully auto rifles" saw a sign saying something along those lines at the shooting rang over the weekend. I thought damn right. Sent from my SGH-T959V using Grasscity Forum mobile app
Or the fact that the nation is in no situation where the military would blindly follow orders and kill thousands of their own civilians. Historically, governments are only able to convince their citizens serving in the military to turn on their own people under terrible circumstances. A lot more terrible shit (like a total national collapse, revolution, etc..) would have to happen before our men and women in the military would start mowing down everyday citizens just because they were told to.
In Connecticut we are now required to show a permit to buy ammunition, and have to register weapons or they'll be confiscated. They are slowly taking away our ability to defend ourselves against a government that has proven they are spying on us and attempting to control us.
I agree, but when that day comes, I predict a lot of the military defecting, taking what they can and joining the patriots. A lot of the military already hate this government, can't imagine why... Also, if that day did come, I will want my 30 round mags and heavy firepower. That isn't gonna be an option if we just go along and ban them right now. Even if we (the patriots) don't stand a chance I would rather have the means to put up as hard of a fight as I can. That is what they are afraid of and trying to negate through legislation. If we control guns now and register them, which will lead to confiscation, you should know what as a history professor, now because there may not be an imminent threat then they will not be there in the future if things change and then its too late.