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400, 600, or 1000w hps/mh which is best for my set up?


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OK HELLO TO EVERYONE AND HOPE YOU ALL ARE HAVING A GREAT HIGH DAY... I WOULD LIKE TO POST WHAT I HAVE ORDERED AND ANY SUGGESTIONS OR ANY TIPS WOULD BE GREAT. I AM NEW NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE AND WOULD JUST LIKE HELP OR TIPS ON WHAT SEEDS I SHOULD START WITH AND HOW MANY I SHOULD PUT IN MY TENT AN WHAT POTS TO PUT THEM IN.

i have one seed each of the following

G13 WHITE WIDOW
G13 PINEAPPLE EXPRESS
BARNEYS FARM LSD
DNA CHOCOLOPE
GREEN HOUSE SEEDS SUPER LEMON HAZE
FEMALE C99
MINISTRY OF CANNABIS NORTHERN LIGHTS
barneys farm liberty haze
female white widow x big bud
g13 royal kush
g13 auto ak
g13 blue venom

these are he items i have on the way

Secret Jordan dark room 2 pro dr90 3x3x7
hydroponic 6" 440 cfm inline fanw/ carbon filter
se electronics steepless speed controller
general hydroponics ph contol kit
fox farm tri nutrients
ledwholesalers 6" fan 240cfm
digital water quality tester


any help as to where to start how my setup should be anything thanks in advance guys an girls



OH TOTALLY FORGOT WHICH LIGHT SHOULD I GET 400 600 OR 10000W

Edited by krunkking420, 04 February 2013 - 01:56 AM.
forgot to ask what light to use


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thought it would be easier to get advice..lol but i know you guys will come through eventually..:D

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thought it would be easier to get advice..lol but i know you guys will come through eventually..:D


In a 3X3X7 tent I would into a cooltube refelctor unless you can find a regular air cooled light hood that will fit in there good. Depending on how many plants you want to do and how big you want them to finish out at will help determine how many watts of light you would need. With HID lighting you got increased heat. You already got the fans that will handle that size of tent but also need to take into consideration the ambient temp of the cooler air being brought in and where your exhausting your hotter air out to. If you can vent the hotter exhaust air out into another room or outside that would be a plus.

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In a 3X3X7 tent I would into a cooltube refelctor unless you can find a regular air cooled light hood that will fit in there good. Depending on how many plants you want to do and how big you want them to finish out at will help determine how many watts of light you would need. With HID lighting you got increased heat. You already got the fans that will handle that size of tent but also need to take into consideration the ambient temp of the cooler air being brought in and where your exhausting your hotter air out to. If you can vent the hotter exhaust air out into another room or outside that would be a plus.


well thats the thing i want to know how many i should start with out of all the seeds i have. and also i want to try to go for a decent yield so anything would be cool for tips. thanks for thevresponse to bro!

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well thats the thing i want to know how many i should start with out of all the seeds i have. and also i want to try to go for a decent yield so anything would be cool for tips. thanks for thevresponse to bro!


3X3 isnt alot of grow space so 3 maybe 4 plants at most. 400 watt light would be plenty 600 if you could manage the temps. We use a 1k HID light setp up in a flowering room and we have to run a window AC in the summer for heat. The thing is you always want to leave a little bit of room to work with. If your gonna do medium sized plants then 2 plants. Our flowering room is 6X6X7 and we can squeeze 6 plants in there close to each other and they finish out around 4 feet but thats a crowded. It leaves us room to work aorund them but because light hoods are limited in the size of their light foot print. We use a Raptor light hood and its light foot print is about 5X5.

Edited by tplat, 04 February 2013 - 10:36 PM.


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3X3 isnt alot of grow space so 3 maybe 4 plants at most. 400 watt light would be plenty 600 if you could manage the temps. We use a 1k HID light setp up in a flowering room and we have to run a window AC in the summer for heat. The thing is you always want to leave a little bit of room to work with. If your gonna do medium sized plants then 2 plants. Our flowering room is 6X6X7 and we can squeeze 6 plants in there close to each other and they finish out around 4 feet but thats a crowded. It leaves us room to work aorund them but because light hoods are limited in the size of their light foot print. We use a Raptor light hood and its light foot print is about 5X5.


ok thanks and out of all the strains i have which ones should i frow for the best yields?

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ok thanks and out of all the strains i have which ones should i frow for the best yields?


The only two in your list that I have grown is the Chocolope and the Pineapple Express. For indoors I would go with the Pineapple. I`ve grown both outdoors but the Chocolope really outstretched the Pineapple in flowering. The pineapple was medium to large size dense buds while the Chocolope were small dense buds all over. Both plants put out about the same maybe the Pineapple by a little bit more when it came to dryed & cured total wieght.

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The only two in your list that I have grown is the Chocolope and the Pineapple Express. For indoors I would go with the Pineapple. I`ve grown both outdoors but the Chocolope really outstretched the Pineapple in flowering. The pineapple was medium to large size dense buds while the Chocolope were small dense buds all over. Both plants put out about the same maybe the Pineapple by a little bit more when it came to dryed & cured total wieght.


ok cool bro thanks alot! you on any projects?

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ok cool bro thanks alot! you on any projects?


yeah doing some Buddha tahoe OG but ran into a nute defficiency problem. It seems that the new type of nutes were trying out is pretty weak, low NPK numbers and with them being in coco the problems hit fast. Going to transplant them into some Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil sometime tommrow and give them a dose of some new nutes that are stringer on the NPK. Coco is like a hydro grow in the sense that you PH everything the same as hydro. In hydro when problems arise they can hit fast leaving you less time to correct the problem as compaired to a regular soil grow where soil is more foregiving. If we get two good mother plants out of these 6 their gonna get cloned for an outdoor grow along with some other strains for this summer.

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I have a 4x3 grow area and run 1000w using 10" fan in air cooled hood. Mines digital and has adjustments. If I did it again 2 600's would be brighter and cheaper than a 1000. Remember that temps need to stay under 85. The more light the more yield, however. I can fit 9 plants in 7 gallon Geopots in my flowering room. I veg for about 2 months and I top the plants multiple times.

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yeah doing some Buddha tahoe OG but ran into a nute defficiency problem. It seems that the new type of nutes were trying out is pretty weak, low NPK numbers and with them being in coco the problems hit fast. Going to transplant them into some Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil sometime tommrow and give them a dose of some new nutes that are stringer on the NPK. Coco is like a hydro grow in the sense that you PH everything the same as hydro. In hydro when problems arise they can hit fast leaving you less time to correct the problem as compaired to a regular soil grow where soil is more foregiving. If we get two good mother plants out of these 6 their gonna get cloned for an outdoor grow along with some other strains for this summer.


oh ok ok...and how do you get good mother plants?

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I have a 4x3 grow area and run 1000w using 10" fan in air cooled hood. Mines digital and has adjustments. If I did it again 2 600's would be brighter and cheaper than a 1000. Remember that temps need to stay under 85. The more light the more yield, however. I can fit 9 plants in 7 gallon Geopots in my flowering room. I veg for about 2 months and I top the plants multiple times.


thanks for your words my friend! and out of the srtains i have which would you go with? and you dont think a 1000 would be too much for a 3x3x7?

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I have a 4x3 grow area and run 1000w using 10" fan in air cooled hood. Mines digital and has adjustments. If I did it again 2 600's would be brighter and cheaper than a 1000. Remember that temps need to stay under 85. The more light the more yield, however. I can fit 9 plants in 7 gallon Geopots in my flowering room. I veg for about 2 months and I top the plants multiple times.


Yeah 2 600 watt digital lights would be the way to go even better if he can go with a 240 volt set up but he`s growing in a 3X3X7 tent. The only way I can see that working inside was if he were to run a portable AC which would still eat up some room inside the tent or find a way to vent it inside the tent. Then he would need to run the hot air exhaust hose either outside, into another room or up into the attic. If you got some idea I would like to hear them as well on how to make it the best and efficient as possible.

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Yeah 2 600 watt digital lights would be the way to go even better if he can go with a 240 volt set up but he`s growing in a 3X3X7 tent. The only way I can see that working inside was if he were to run a portable AC which would still eat up some room inside the tent or find a way to vent it inside the tent. Then he would need to run the hot air exhaust hose either outside, into another room or up into the attic. If you got some idea I would like to hear them as well on how to make it the best and efficient as possible.


i have a window and another room next to the area im going for. so i should go with the 600? and i wish i could have somones opinion on which strains i should grow out with this grow. i have a few to choose from and i guess hearing from others i can only put like 4 or 5 in that size tent. also i have a 90w ufo led light would that be any good use?

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i have a window and another room next to the area im going for. so i should go with the 600? and i wish i could have somones opinion on which strains i should grow out with this grow. i have a few to choose from and i guess hearing from others i can only put like 4 or 5 in that size tent. also i have a 90w ufo led light would that be any good use?


The 600 watt dimmable ballasts are the most efficient when it comes to watt of electricity used per lumen of light generated. With a dimmable ballast if the temps start to get to hot you can always dial it down to a lower watt setting. With HID lighting you want to figure about 80 watts of light per plant minimum. The more light the better but once you get aorund 1k there is going to be alot of heat to deal with. LED lights are nice since they dont put out alot of heat and the one you have would work as a supplemental light or for one small plant. I would look up the strains you have and look for a couple that finish out around the same time or just shortly apart. Personaly i like to do strains that are more sativa outdoors because they can stretch quite a bit more then an indica strain.

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The 600 watt dimmable ballasts are the most efficient when it comes to watt of electricity used per lumen of light generated. With a dimmable ballast if the temps start to get to hot you can always dial it down to a lower watt setting. With HID lighting you want to figure about 80 watts of light per plant minimum. The more light the better but once you get aorund 1k there is going to be alot of heat to deal with. LED lights are nice since they dont put out alot of heat and the one you have would work as a supplemental light or for one small plant. I would look up the strains you have and look for a couple that finish out around the same time or just shortly apart. Personaly i like to do strains that are more sativa outdoors because they can stretch quite a bit more then an indica strain.


ok can you send me a good link for a good 600w light i would appreciate it and yes i like the sativa high alot better. but im also indoors can you recommend a good indoor sativa i should try.

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ok can you send me a good link for a good 600w light i would appreciate it and yes i like the sativa high alot better. but im also indoors can you recommend a good indoor sativa i should try.


I have grown Sour Cream indoors before. It didnt stretch much more then the more indica ones growing next to it. As for digital ballasts theres Digital Greenhouse, Quantum, Phantom, Lumatek and a few others I dont recall the name of right now. I heard of people having warrenty issues with Lumatek a while back and one grow shop near me that has been around for years quit carrying Lumatek because of it. I would look for a dimmable one.

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Alright. A couple things. You're likely going to be successful because you invested the money in pretty decent equipment. You have enough ventilation to run a cool tube with a 600w HID, and can still use the big fan for the carbon filter. Make sure you have smaller circulation fans going. Plants gotta breathe. Consider upgrading your tent, space permitting. It might sound counterintuitive, but going from 3x3 to 4x4 tent almost doubles your square footage. That means 4 can fit in their comfortably. You have good genetics, and will be happy with any of those seeds. I think it's easier the first time to grow 4 of the same plant (same watering schedules and tolerance of the environment) but sounds like its not an option. By a book and read it from cover to cover. Lots of good ones out there. Make sure you've read up on ph and nutes and record everything you do. Make sure you have a healthy respect for the plant, but don't kiss it's ass. Good luck.

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at least a 1000 watt.... i use two 1000 watt tents to veg and a separate room with 3000 watts for flower, fox farms soil general hydroponics organics fertilizer line (awesome stuff) aeroponic cloning machine....just remember, if you have the room go with the most light possible....i forget what the exact minimum number of lumens needed to grow cannabis but i belive its around 50,000 per sq ft...as long as you dont set the tent and plants ablaze, the 1000 watt is enough to grow 5-7 plants really well and up to 9 so so. i use 5 gallon buckets mh for veg then mh/ hps or just hps for flower

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ok.. the last guy is way wrong.

The SUN gives 10,000 lumens per sq foot, 50,000 lumens per square foot would be retarted and unproductivly wastefull. To even get 50,000 , it would take 3, 1,000 watters in your 3x3 area to get 50,000 lumens per sq foot.

A 600 watter is best for efficiency and it will provide almost 10,000 lumens per sq foot to your tent at 85,000 lumens per bulb divided by 9 sq feet.

If your looking to get a good yield fast, id recomend doing a hydro scrog with rumple bubble buckets. Easy to DIY and make for a reasonable price. Thats just my oppinion and what I personally did myself.

He also has a DIY cloner that is crazy useful, but you would need a reverse osmosis water filter. If you have that, its just add water and let sit. no special anything. and a claimed 100% success rate

Scrog method will increase yield , tho it would be ideal to be able to get to 3 sides of your tent from the outside, otherwise you'll have to cut like 1/2 of a foot off the front part of the screen to be able to reach.

Here is a pic of results of one plant that rumple did his his Bubble bucket scrog. He uses co2 so without co2 it wouldn't be quite this good, but still. It's what inspired me.

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Below here is a post I made to someone else in the beginner forum trying to convince him that the bubble buckets were the way to go in my opinion. I was going to link the links for those here, so i figured to save myself time i'll just quote that post.. Pardon the hugeness of it, Tho it does have some information in it. Gardenmaster a high rep guy on the site liked the post so it must not be that far off.

First let me start by saying, I know where your coming from. Had I had the funds ready when i started planning a grow. That exact Kit on that Exact website would be in my house right now. (it was a cheapo hydro kit not worth time that he had linked)

Let me elaborate as to why I am infinitely grateful I did not go further with it.

Not that it would do poorly, but you have the chance to start right, and in my honest opinion that kit is not the one. Firstly it can be built for cheaper, Secondly, there are better ways. The only thing in my newer plan that I considered keeping was the 6 way water manifold. That was only because I was too lazy to try and figure out another way to split water into tubes with one pump.

Now I know you said you would prefer to have it be one large container. The issue with this is, Roots on different plants don't want to live together. They get all tangled , and all share a relatively smaller root zone area. The larger your root zone per plant space the larger your plants can get. That kit you linked holds 6 gallons of water for 6 plants (or 3-4). Lets go with 4. 6 gallons nutrient solution divided by 4 is 1.5 gallons per plant. As where the link I'm going to link is a very successful bucket design from a highly reputable source on here, and his buckets give One plant 3.5 gallons. More roots = more plant, faster growth.

In his design, It's one plant per bucket. However all of the buckets link together in one system, and the beautiful thing is. One bucket doesn't have a plant, so you can use a water pump to empty your system if you want. The extra bucket helps PH buffer the system, and gives you one to work with. Also with a bigger bucket with 6" pots hydroton rocks and plant shade the opening enough you don't need to bother with covering the holes. (light is bad for roots). On top of all of this. One bucket has a Fill indicator tube so you know how much is in the system at all times without opening the lid; also fill and drain spots where you don't have to open the lid either. This opened up the opportunity to do a scrog where before a hydro scrog seemed unmanageable.

The main advantage over and beyond what I've already mentioned is that If one plant has 3.5 gallons of oxygenated nutrient solution to sit in and fill with roots. Your plant can show a much greater potential than if you had 6 plants sharing one small container. In the size tent you use. If you (and i advise you do) look into the SCROG method, With this bucket design you could fill that tent with 3 buckets, 2 plants. You want to make sure you get an MH bulb (hopefully your ballast is digital and can take MH bulbs) for Veg.

As for oxygenation that was mentioned. Its extremely important. The more oxygen you have the faster the plants will grow, and the more it will help prevent any root zone issues, some of which can ruin crops. So don't skimp on the air pump, get a good one. I'm getting a dual diaphragm air pump from general hydro, may be a little overkill but I want too much oxygen if anything. You could just buy a smaller GH pump for each bucket. The "work" bucket that doesn't have a plant , doesn't need a pump. Tho i will be putting one there anyways.

All in all, If you make the bucket I'm going to link , its everything that kit you linked is and much more. The only addition you will have to have is in one of the buckets with oxygenated water you will have to have a water pump , splitter, and tubing to get two streams of water going to your rock-wool cubes like demonstrated by that Kit

(IF YOU HAVE TO START FROM SEED, if you can start from clone (grow a mother in soil in a closet or something or buy clones) then you dont need that at all you can just raise the water level an extra inch so that the bubbles splash water on the hydroton, and the hydroton will wick it to your roots for the few days until the roots hit water, then you lower back down to 3.5 gallons[varies based on net pot size, this is for 6" net pots).

Unlike with that kid you don't need all six manifold exits, you'll only need the two. and you don't need it in that cheapo mock up they did. You'll get better yield off of 2 plants in separate buckets than 6 in that one. Or even 6 in a 10+ gallon one. This route may end up costing a few extra dollars in the end. But with the comparison on how much you will spend on electricity over time compared to the potential improvements this set up would give over that kit , the cost differential at start up is minuscule at best. Now bare in mind this is all opinion , but seeing the results people get off these buckets , I, Myself would grow no other way, even tho ive seen many, many other ways that work. PS if you find pictures somewhere in the thread I'm going to link that Rumple himself posted of his fully grown garden, Know he also uses a 400 watt hps, normal 2x4 closet. Tho he uses co2 and his grow is controlled by an environmental controller to keep the temp and humidity right.

Either way go check it out. I'm going to use my own air stone set up, he has a DIY one that isn't really needed imo. I'll also link his clone bucket, cus I feel its valuable information. Also the Aluminum tape idea is great. You want absolute zero , in the amount of light in the res column. Light makes roots grow root rot, and that's disastrous. Also keeping root temps at 60-65f Is ideal, above 70 can cause root rot. The cooler the water is, the better it holds oxygen. and on another note. I know I briefly mentioned this before, but I personally wouldn't be caught dead doing anything except a Scrog regardless of the rest, based on Your height situation alone.

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Feel free to re post and let me know what you think, or if you have more questions. :wave::D:smoking:


P.S. I agree with the other poster that said It would be better to grow one strain. Go pineapple express, thats what im currently growing, and I did so because it is also my first grow. =D I bet it will smell like god's vagina.

Feel free to post follow up questions if you like

Edited by WillGroElite420, 06 February 2013 - 10:15 PM.



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