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I believe in the right to die.


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Not if the cancer is terminal. At that point therapies might buy some time, but many terminal cancer patients don't want to drag it out, they WANT to die.


There are lots of diseases that are terminal, at least as far as modern medicine is concerned. For example, Alzheimer's, the one I mentioned. Doctors can try to slow the onset of the symptoms but other than that, there's nothing anyone can do. The patient gets worse and worse until they eventually die.


There is always some chance of survival thought

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I believe too.
When it's my time, if I keep going to sleep on you when you visit, you should probably get off your high horse.
I might just be telling you something

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There is no illness that is really terminal, even a cancer patient can be succesfully treated with "theraphy, lifestyle changes, or medicine".


Tell that to my dead father.
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I think they meant that people with depression shouldn't qualify for assisted suicide because their desire to die is a treatable symptom of their illness.

The difference is that a bedridden 70 year old man with Alzheimer's knows for a fact that his health will never improve, he will keep getting worse until he dies, and any money that he or his family spend on healthcare is just prolonging the inevitable. But a 20 year old girl with depression could be successfully treated with therapy, lifestyle changes, or medicine, and she could go on to live a long and happy life. In the throes of her depression she may want to die as much as the 70 year old man, but the nature of the disease prevents her from realizing that there are far less extreme options with better outcomes.

I think it's ethical for medical professionals to assist in the suicides of terminally ill patients, but unless the illness is truly terminal, it's their sworn duty to keep people alive and well.


Exactly Chief...people who have depression (and are otherwise healthy)to the point that to them suicide is the only out...well I don't think they fully realize the finality of their action.

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There is always some chance of survival thought

What if the person has HIV/AIDS and is reaching the end of their lifespan and getting sicker and sicker everyday?
What if someone has a malignant cancer with a life expectancy of 6months and 5% chance of living with treatment?

Sure, there may be hope to keep this person alive and healthy but is it likely? Probably not. I think it should be up to the person in these types of situations. Although if it was me I have to admit I'd just find a peaceful place to off myself.

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Legalizing MJ would give added hope to those who want to die as a result of their terminal illnesses.

With a cannon in my lips, I'd be like, get the fuck away from that plug and grab me a lighter.....

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Ahhh...okay, now I get it I had no idea that it was called that, I thought it was something else and legal in some areas..

I was kindve tipsy when I read this, made me think of something else :P

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There is always some chance of survival thought


Depending on the disease, this is like saying there's "some chance" a person would survive a four foot long railroad spike shooting through their brain just because Phineas Gage survived it when it happened to him.

What's your point, anyway?

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Not if the cancer is terminal. At that point therapies might buy some time, but many terminal cancer patients don't want to drag it out, they WANT to die.


There are lots of diseases that are terminal, at least as far as modern medicine is concerned. For example, Alzheimer's, the one I mentioned. Doctors can try to slow the onset of the symptoms but other than that, there's nothing anyone can do. The patient gets worse and worse until they eventually die.


There is always some chance of survival though

I've heard that on rare occasions cancer can go into remission by itself. Nobody knows why, but that really isn't the point -- the wishes of the patient are what's important. To keep someone in that condition alive against their wishes is selfish.

My best friend's mother, who I knew all my life, had uterine cancer at age 85, went through one round of chemo, and was so sick she wanted nothing more to do with any of it; she wanted to die. So she did a short while later.

My own mother wanted to die, although she didn't really have a terminal illness. My father had died 2 years previously and she started rejecting food, she simply did not want to eat, and she finally told us she just wanted to die. She was 86, and did die a few weeks later.

We could have easily kept her alive by having a feeding tube put in, but she didn't want that, she wanted to die. That was the toughest decision me and my sisters had ever made, but we knew we had to honor her wishes. To go against them was to be selfish on our part. WE wanted her alive, but she didn't want to be.

So that was that. It's not all about what science is capable of, or what the odds are of someone making it -- the patient's wishes must come first.

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I've heard that on rare occasions cancer can go into remission by itself. Nobody knows why, but that really isn't the point -- the wishes of the patient are what's important. To keep someone in that condition alive against their wishes is selfish.

My best friend's mother, who I knew all my life, had uterine cancer at age 85, went through one round of chemo, and was so sick she wanted nothing more to do with any of it; she wanted to die. So she did a short while later.

My own mother wanted to die, although she didn't really have a terminal illness. My father had died 2 years previously and she started rejecting food, she simply did not want to eat, and she finally told us she just wanted to die. She was 86, and did die a few weeks later.

We could have easily kept her alive by having a feeding tube put in, but she didn't want that, she wanted to die. That was the toughest decision me and my sisters had ever made, but we knew we had to honor her wishes. To go against them was to be selfish on our part. WE wanted her alive, but she didn't want to be.

So that was that. It's not all about what science is capable of, or what the odds are of someone making it -- the patient's wishes must come first.


My respect to you Fizz,
My dad went through the same thing and we did as he wanted.

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My respect to you Fizz,
My dad went through the same thing and we did as he wanted.

Thank you sir(?) ma'am(?), same to you. :)

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Yes, but not because of a reason that cureable, like depression and such.

I guess it's okey when you're in a deadly desease and dying slowly and painful, if someone decided they dont want to live anymore because of that then i think assisted suicide should be allowed.


Depression isnt curable, its treatable like cancer or AIDs. I think that if someone is depressed for years and all treatments have failed them and they have no one who will miss them, then suicide is a valid option.

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There's a really good documentary on an advocate of this subject, Jack Kevorkian. It's called You Don't Know Jack, but I have to agree. Its your life, you choose what you want to do with it. How is the government going to tell you what you can and cannot do with your own body? I find that absolutely fucking insane.

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There's a really good documentary on an advocate of this subject, Jack Kevorkian. It's called You Don't Know Jack, but I have to agree. Its your life, you choose what you want to do with it. How is the government going to tell you what you can and cannot do with your own body? I find that absolutely fucking insane.

Heh, "Doctor Death" as he was called.

He was helping people commit suicide 15-20 years ago and it caused a huge stink here in this country. Back then I was opposed to assisted suicide, but life's experiences since then have changed my mind.

When my time comes, I would like to have the option. Fuck the government and their laws.

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Heh, "Doctor Death" as he was called.

He was helping people commit suicide 15-20 years ago and it caused a huge stink here in this country. Back then I was opposed to assisted suicide, but life's experiences since then have changed my mind.

When my time comes, I would like to have the option. Fuck the government and their laws.


Growing up I thought he was evil and shit but now my eyes have been opened to what he actually was doing, and believe it or not he was helping sick people pass peacefully.

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Depending on the disease, this is like saying there's "some chance" a person would survive a four foot long railroad spike shooting through their brain just because Phineas Gage survived it when it happened to him.

What's your point, anyway?


My point is there isn't some black and white line to whenther it's absolutely ok to kill someone and it's not, there is just a bunch of gray area in the middle.

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Thank you sir(?) ma'am(?), same to you. :)


Sir, was my dad, I'm a Mr....;)

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Depression and physical illness both cause serious mental distress; therefore death should always be a viable option.

Life and death shouldn't be perceived as good and bad, respectively, imo. I believe non-experience to simply be an alternative to suffering if a sufficient level of happiness cannot be achieved.

The legality of suicide is irrelevant; this is the same group of people who lock up harmless folk for possessing a plant. I mean honestly, does anyone take the gov't seriously anymore?

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if we all smoked weed and took zanex the world would be pretty cool...




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