So, I wasn't sure whether or not to use MG or go nutrientless. All I had was MG blue granules meant to refill a water hose sprayer. But the bag said it would work for "Trees, shrubs, small plants, house plants." So basically anything. I posted asking if I should use it and got a lot of negative feedback about MG in general being almost purely a plant murdering agent. But I got a couple replies from people saying that "If it was all I had, it was fine to use." So I did. When I did, I got worried and thought I had for sure murdered my girls. But a couple days later they were FINE. I continued to use the MG (One pinch mixed into a pint), and 3 nutrient waterings later there is a VERY noticeable difference in the darkness of the leaves, and no damage. It worked out great. I've already harvested and smoked the bud. And finished another grow in which I used nutes recommended to me at a grow shop. Both plants were dank, the second one just turned out a little better because I had 2 or 3X as much light.
Most people hate MG for moral reasons from what I gather. My concern with your post is, trees, shrubs, houseplants and w/e the last one was, aren't consumable so the plant food may be allowed to contain things that food for fruits/veggies can't. But it worked for you and that's awesome.
^this. Spot on Jmosley. Miracle gro is a subsidiary of Monsanto, aka one of the most evil corporations in existence. So we like to keep our money out of their pockets. Glad your grows were successful
try using the one for acid loving plants like tomatos. flushing your plant before harvest will also remove any nutrient we'd be concerned about consuming anyway
Unfortunately, "flushing" will not remove any chemical you'd be concerned about consuming. It is physically and chemically impossible to remove chemicals from plant tissue by running large amounts of water (or water with a "flushing agent") through the medium. Hate to break it to you, but once those chemicals are in the plant tissue they're not coming out. Happy gardening!
the problem isn't with their nutrients, but the soil that has the time release nutrients in it you should just run decent soil, and if you want to add nutes later that's your option. mg basic soil has time release nutes in it, so they're gonna continually release with watering, whether you like it or not. Definitely not optimal.
not to sound condescending but do you have any proof? or possibly a list of what "chemicals" one should be worried about that in the plants "tissue"?
Hi aceras, I have a BS in Chemistry. Which is not really relevant, because any 8th grade science student can tell you that running large amounts of water through the medium will not remove any chemicals from plant tissue. I was responding to the poster who said, basically, "don't worry about any harmful chemicals in the fertilizer, you can just flush those out". My purpose was not to argue about specific chemicals contained in specific products, but rather to argue that you cannot remove any unwanted chemicals from plant tissue by "flushing" the plant. (Just like you can't remove toxins from human tissue by taking a shower). There are many harmful chemicals contained in synthetic fertilizers (who wants a nice dose of dioxin?). I have read studies on the subject of cannabis fertilizers in particular and I will try to find them and post them for you. One good is example is paclobutrazol, found in "bud hardeners" like "Gravity" and "Snowstorm", which caused the EPA to pull the products from stores in CA and several other states (again, I don't have the study in front of me, but I will try to find it and post it for you). And we haven't even started talking about all the issues with phosphate fertilizers (cadmium, other heavy metals, fluoride). It's not really disputable that these synthetic fertilizers contain harmful substances (a simple wikipedia search will tell you that). Why do you think people are so adamant that the bud needs to be "flushed" (even though that doesn't do anything)? The "nutrient" companies by the raw chemicals from China. China. That should be all you need to hear my friend. If Walmart can't keep radioactive metals out of Hannah Montana jewelry, do you even want to think about the levels of contaminants in Chinese chemicals? And that's in addition to all the harmful stuff contained in the basic chemicals (like phosphates). Again, my point is that whatever harmful chemicals are contained in your particular chemical fertilizer cannot be removed by "flushing" the plant, so you're better off not using them in the first place.
I think the concept of "flushing" works more like drinking massive amounts of water, than taking a shower. You can remove toxins from the body by drinking water. And the idea isn't to "remove" the excess nutrients, it is to move them around and use them (since the empty water won't have any new nutes)
"Flushing" with plain water will remove chemical nutrients (water soluble) from the medium, causing the plant to use up nutrients stored in the plant tissue (just like your plant uses N in the lower leaves in order to continue with new growth when dealing with a N deficiency). But we're not talking about basic plant nutrients like nitrogen. We're talking about contaminants like dioxin, paclobutrazol, cadmium, etc., etc., etc. (and the chemicals contained in chemical fertilizers that are not plant nutrients). And on the subject of drinking water being a way to remove toxins from the body, if I have radiation poisoning all I have to do is drink lots of water? Clearly, the answer is no. Drinking water is essential to your body's natural detoxification mechanism (the liver, kidneys, etc.), but it's not going to "flush out" toxins from things like radiation, etc. that are stored in tissue. How about this, if somebody has a drug test, why can't they just drink lots of water and take a shower to remove the THC from their system? Because the THC is stored in their fat cells (in the tissue). No offense intended, but come on guys.
This is just trolling right here. Of course you can't get rid of radiation poisoning by drinking water. But you can get rid of plenty of Toxins by "flushing" them out of your system.
That is in no way trolling. I'm trying to explain something that you obviously are having a hard time understanding. Water absolutely assists in the process of removing toxins from the body. But the liver and the kidneys are doing the "heavy lifting" in removing those toxins. The water isn't doing the work on its own. I'm not going to get into an argument with you, with accusations of trolling and the like. If you want to do a little research into basic principles of physics, chemistry, and biology (botany) and then have a discussion about it, I'd be happy to participate.
this was a good read by "flushing" I think we actually mean using only distilled water without fertilyzers for the last few days. I see your point about deadly toxins being int the cells of the plant but dont you feel confident that you remove quite a bit of things you wouldnt want to ingest by flushing? Keep in mind, im talking about soilless mix (in my case hydro). I forgot to mention that before. I know flushing with fertilyzed soil is pointless but cant it be effective in soilless growing?
on that topic... what part of the body does the breaking down of edibles? since the thc is fat soluble, I'd assume it's just broken down and processed thru the stomach/duodenum?
Hey aceras. Flushing will cause the plant to use up nutrients stored in the leaves. But, in talking about contaminants (not basic plant nutrients), no, flushing won't remove those from the plant tissue. How could it? There's nowhere for those contaminants to go, and the plant doesn't have any use for them, so they aren't getting used up in the same way nitrogen and other plant nutrients are. Those contaminants don't leave the plant tissue and exit the plant just because the plant is only receiving plain water. Unfortunately it just doesn't work that way. I'm definitely not confident that "flushing" removes dangerous contaminants from plant tissue, in fact the opposite is true. I'm not one of those people who insists on all their food being organic, but when it comes to something I'm smoking, I'll go without rather than take that risk of smoking bud grown with potentially dangerous chemicals.
Hey hl. I'm not a biologist, or a doctor (yet anyway), but from what I know THC from edibles is processed through the stomach, then the small intestine, then to the liver, and then into the bloodstream. I do know that it is converted into a stronger form of THC in the liver (I will look it up and post back what it is), thus causing the stronger effect many people get from edibles. edit: yep, the liver processes THC into 11-OH-THC (11-hydroxy-THC), which then enters the bloodstream.