Hashmouf's butter fail

Howdy ho neighborino's

I tried Hashmouf's recipe for cannabutter about a week ago. Followed it step by step and it turned out exactly like his pics. Smells very pungent. However I tried a large tablespoons worth of butter and I didn't feel anything at all. Neither did my friends. These table spoon fulls were pretty big so I'm not sure what's wrong.

Maybe we didn't let it cook enough, in his recipe he heats it for 5 minutes and remelts it. I'm wondering if maybe I reheat it for a little longer maybe it'll get better?

Any constructive criticism would be great!

We baked cookies and added the canna butter on to them after wards. The butter itself wasn't baked maybe that would account for reheating it again?

Maybe it's just baking butter and doesn't work unless you bake with it?

Also we refrigerated it for only a couple hours, which he said is ok in the guide but 24 is best. Now it's been several days. I'm a butter noob so any pointers would be much appreciated

Was your weed decarboxylizes before you cooked with it? Did you overcook the butter or burn it by accident?

IMO, 5 minutes for edibles isn't letting the THC absorb very much into the fats. When I cook oil I simmer for 2-3 hours. Even firecrackers take 20 minutes.

But idk because I have heard of Hashmouf's recipes before I even signed up here.

Was your weed decarboxylizes before you cooked with it? Did you overcook the butter or burn it by accident?

IMO, 5 minutes for edibles isn't letting the THC absorb very much into the fats. When I cook oil I simmer for 2-3 hours. Even firecrackers take 20 minutes.

But idk because I have heard of Hashmouf's recipes before I even signed up here.

The weed wasn't decarboxylated. This wasn't mentioned in Hashmouf's recipe. If anything we undercooked it. I'm going to reheat a bit with some chocolate and melt it together. I'll eat some of it once it cools off and I'll keep this thread up to date.

Alright ate pretty large slab of butter, reheated it with some chocolate. Might have burnt it a little.

My theory is that this recipe for butter is made for baking with the butter afterwards. Which would explain why the heat up time is so fast. I'll check back in whenever it kicks in (if at all).

Still not working... Can't recommend this recipe considering I followed it perfectly and the butter doesn't work

Alright ate pretty large slab of butter, reheated it with some chocolate. Might have burnt it a little.

My theory is that this recipe for butter is made for baking with the butter afterwards. Which would explain why the heat up time is so fast. I'll check back in whenever it kicks in (if at all).

To my knowledge and in my experience, there is no cannabutter that is only good for baking. The only reason I can theorize is because the baking may decarb the thc as it cooks. I have read Hashmouf's thread fully and I have a lot difficulties believing anyone gets any real potency from the recipe except for maybe some of the lower cannabinoids. Reading through that thread and many others, I have found many, many posts concerning failures. I class his recipe to be as damaging as Paleo's. Just my opinion.

There are many better butter recipes here in GC and elsewhere online. Find one and quit wasting your weed trying to figure out how to make a bad thing better. With good butter, you should have been in orbit with what you consumed, baked or not. You should have been baked, instead:). Happy cooking!

Butter can be eaten on or in whatever IF it's made properly.

Not to be Capt. Obvious, but you know it takes an hour to kick in anyway right? And are you sure you're eating enough per person? For GOOD butter, you should be eating .5g/person or more. The .5 is divided up from the weed.

So usually it goes 7 grams fresh bud to 1 stick of butter. If you made brownies, you'd want between 8 (strong) and 14 (milder) brownies.

If you eat butter you need to eat whatever amount would be in each brownie. So 1/2 to 1 tablespoon each. Then the waiting game.


But I have to chalk it up to not being decarboxylized. It's very simple and used in almost every edible recipe. You can technically get high if you eat raw bud but it takes a lot. To make the high Orally active, you decarb the weed by grinding it up and putting it in foil in the oven at 220* F for 15-20 minutes.

This will turn the weed slightly brown but it converts THC-A into THC. The acid group at the end releases basically water molecules when you decarb.

This is the proper way to make edibles though some will argue its not always necessary. But if you want the most bang for your buck - just decarb it always for edibles.

how much did you use? cause i just did a half o or more in trim and they worked forsure and my t is supper high...


i gave a cookie to someone with no t and they said they got high so...

Are you lean and skinny? because edibles won't do shit to you and will be through your system faster then it can be absorbed.

Makes no sense.

Don't go blaming the person for your mistakes.

The recipe for making cannabutter is always the same.

It seems too me that you either didn't use enough marijuana or didn't cook it properly.

(Keep in mind I haven't read though all the other stickied recipes in quite some time, so I'm not directly commenting on any of them.. you can pick and choose from the potential points below for help, OP/Epicurus. PS - Just recovering from some mild food poisoning, so my apologies if this is rambly )



The recipes for 'canna butter', in general, are most certainly not always the same, and some of the more popular methods floating around, many of which are based on decades-old myths, would never make it in the medical community.



Some call for inadequate time frames and try to compensate with too much heat, others even suggest adding water to the mix.



For instance.... did you know that the edible experts, in the professional medical community, recommend not only avoiding water contamination like the plague, but also clarifying the butter you use, to remove the trace amounts of water (and milk solids) that it contains?



And that many experts recommend a minimum of 40 minutes, to an hour at the safest maximum temps, just for stripping the last of the most resistant glandular material...
Nearly an hour of processing is recommended as a bare minimum, not even counting the time required afterward, for the creation of a bioavailable solution!



Even in India, they've known for hundreds of years to treat both their herb and hash with ghee, a traditional, and often ceremonial probiotic clarified butter, allowing the two to bond sometimes for weeks in advance before making and serving the bhang, milk and yogurt-based drinks, created in their stalls!



If your herb is water-logged, and your 'edible solvent' is diluted, it's no where near as effective as a pure edible solvent, and you need to add a lot of time to compensate.



A pure solvent, will make more progress in any given amount of time, than one that is diluted.



People often mistakenly believe that additional water makes for a 'cleaner' butter, during that final separation, but that is not at all the case; not only does it pull in much more inert and unwanted plant matter into the mix, more chlorophyll, and bitter plant waxes and especially salts, but any glandular material that is not properly infused, sinks and settles below the water, to be dumped down the drain!




Recipes that don't clarify the butter, but don't add additional water are 'better', but still dirtier and require much more time.
And if you don't decarboxylate, or activate your herb first, you'll want to add even more time.. activation occurs much more gradually when submerged in oil, or water, than it does when exposed to a 'dry' environment.



As such, you're left to degrade some of the earliest cannabinoids to become active, along with skipping the decab process and (for instance) instead of turning THCA to THC, you'll begin the formation of THCA into CBNA, a less psychoactive (but when active, and combined, a more sedative) degraded byproduct of THC.



And that brings us to the point that, while you can speed up the decarb with additional heat once the herb has been submerged in oil, you're also degrading material long before it can become a bioavailable solution, the step that allows for rapid and reliable absorption... and you can't speed up that portion of the process, or the production of a bioavailable solution, with too much heat...:


If you begin to reach the vaporization point of your more volatile cannabinoids, they will fight the solution (and can even vaporize) rather than becoming part of it!





Anyhow....


That's the difference between medical grade, clarified canna butter and oils, and "old wives' tale" butters... one works MUCH better, while the others barely work for those with the very lowest tolerance who also multiply the dose/amount required, just to get the few sensations they do feel.



Improper processing methods are responsible for most all our dosage discrepancies, and our failed edible stories.. they've also created a 'breed' of people and patients, with (often unknown) digestive difficulties, who assume they are 'immune' to edibles.
These people assume they are immune, when their friends can feel something from a dose or two of under-processed edibles, but they do not, even after eating half the tray.



A few tweaks to your processing methods can make the difference between 1.) an entirely dysfunctional batch of butter (even if you eat the whole lot), and 2.) a single dose, containing much less than you'd usually smoke, which has the power to produce a MUCH more powerful, and longer-lasting experience.




Hope this helps clear things up!

Edited by BadKittySmiles, 29 July 2012 - 11:36 PM.

Thanks for taking the time to give me pointers

I guess I should have looked into the decarb process a little more. I'm semi familiar with it but I just didn't worry about it because I trusted hashmoufs recipe since it was stickied here and didn't mention decarb.

I used 7grams of high grade, I'm afraid I'm shit out of luck at this point. I know there's still some stuff in it because it smells and tastes like bud. I'm thinking that maybe if I remelt it and let it simmer for 30-45 minutes that may activate the cannabinoids.

It sucks because this was one very expensive mistake, maybe my 3rd or 4th time making butter. Everytime failed except when I used vape duff. So decarbing seems like a must.

Thanks for all the help again, I'll try reheating and if i get it to work I'll update but it seems like it's not going to happen

Are you lean and skinny? because edibles won't do shit to you and will be through your system faster then it can be absorbed.

Can this be true:eek:

I'm a really skinny guy so is it possible that edibles could pass through my system unabsorbed?

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Improper processing methods are responsible for most all our dosage discrepancies, and our failed edible stories.. they've also created a 'breed' of people and patients, with (often unknown) digestive difficulties, who assume they are 'immune' to edibles.

Just to make sure I understand, are you saying that people with digestive problems aren't effected by edibles or that improperly processed edibles somehow screw up peoples digestive tract?

My first couple attempts at edibles were great success but after that ...nothing:confused:

Is body fat or digestive difficulties a factor or did I misunderstand the above quotes?