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List of Politicians, Military and Intelligence Experts who Question the

Here are 40 experts, including the Chairman, 9/11 Commission, Thomas H. Kean, Former Governor of New Jersey and Vice Chairman, 9/11 Commission, Lee Hamilton, Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Homeland Security Advisory Council ~ sounding off in short quotes about their misgivings with the 9/11 commission and the questions that are still smoldering.

PART I. UNITED STATES
Senator Max Cleland

– Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in December 2003:

“I, as a member of the [9/11] Commission, cannot look any American in the eye… It is a national scandal… this White House wants to cover [9/11] up.”
Senator Mark Dayton
– Member, Senate Committee on Armed Services and Homeland Security

“[NORAD] lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 Commission…the most gross incompetence and dereliction of responsibility and negligence”
Congressman Ron Paul
- Vice Chairman of the Oversight and Investigations subcommittee

“the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation”
Congressman Curt Weldon

“[9/11 Commission] there’s something very sinister going on here… something desperately wrong… This involved what is right now the covering up of information that led to the deaths of 3,000 people”
Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney
- Member of the House Armed Services Committee

“the [9/11] Commission ran up against obstruction by the administration and non-cooperation from government agencies… the errors and omissions immediately jumped out at us”
Director of the FBI, Louis Freeh

“[9/11 Commission] findings–raises serious challenges to the commission’s credibility and, if the facts prove out, might just render the commission historically insignificant itself”
Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury, Paul Craig Roberts, PhD

“Distinguished national and international scientists and scholars present massive evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report is a hoax and that the 9/11 “terrorist attack” has been manipulated to serve a hegemonic agenda in the Middle East… We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to “pancake” at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false”
Assistant Secretary of Housing, Catherine Austin Fitts

“Regarding 9/11 “The official story could not possibly have happened… It’s not possible. It’s not operationally feasible… The Commission was a whitewash. “
U.S. Army Intelligence officer, Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice, John Loftus

“The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence”
Foreign Service Officer, George Kenney

” I cannot believe, much as I might like to, the standard account of 9/11″
Foreign Service Officer, J. Michael Springman

“Fifteen of the nineteen people who allegedly flew airplanes into buildings in the United States got their visas from the same CIA Consulate at Jeddah”
Deputy Attorney General, State of Pennsylvania, Philip J. Berg,

“The official story of what actually took place on 9 /11 is a lie. “
Major General U.S. Army, Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, Albert Stubblebine

“I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the
Pentagon?”
Col. Ronald D. Ray
—U.S. Marine Corps – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center

“I’m astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that’s accurate”
Col. Robert Bowman
—U.S. Air Force, Director of Advanced Space Programs, PhD Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering

” the official 9/11 story is impossible .. There is a cover up .. high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened .. highly placed individuals in the administration .. Dick Cheney .. the very kindest thing we can say about George W Bush .. is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder “
Col. George Nelson
—U.S. Air Force, aircraft accident investigator

“I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft — and in most cases the precise cause of the accident… The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from view .. with all the evidence readily available at the pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged .. the most heinous conspiracy in our country’s history “
Major Douglas Rokke, PhD
—U.S. Army

“Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 “when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile.”
Capt. Russ Wittenberg
—U.S. Air Force, fighter pilot, commercial pilot flying 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777 ’s. Had previously flown Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC

“The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple…[Regarding Flight 77]“The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles… The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77″
Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD
—U.S. Air Force, Office of the Secretary of Defense, staff of the Director of the National Security Agency
“It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics…There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked Pentagon, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage one would expect from the impact of a large airliner… this visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the Sec of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a ‘ missile ‘ … I saw nothing of significance at the point of contact ~ no airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the Pentagon .. all of us staring at the Pentagon that morning were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected was not evident .. the same is true with regard to the damage we expected .. but I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 0r 40 minutes, with the roof remaining relatively straight .. The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one would have expected if a missile had struck the Pentagon “
Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School, Barbara Honegger, MS

“The US military, not al Qaeda, had the sustained access weeks before 9/11 to also plant controlled demolition charges throughout the superstructures of WTC 1 and WTC 2, and in WTC 7, which brought down all three buildings on 9/11…A US military plane, not one piloted by al Qaeda, performed the highly skilled, high−speed 270−degree dive towards the Pentagon that Air Traffic Controllers on 9/11 were sure was a military plane as they watched it on their screens. Only a military aircraft, not a civilian plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the “Friendly” signal needed to disable the Pentagon’s anti−aircraft missile batteries as it approached the building…Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response system”
Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD
—U.S. Army, U.S. Army Intelligence Officer

“I knew from September 18, 2001, that the official story about 9/11 was false. … anomalies poured in rapidly: the hijackers’ names appearing in none of the published flight passenger lists, BBC reports of stolen identities of the alleged hijackers or the alleged hijackers being found alive, the obvious demolitions of WTC 1 and 2…and WTC7…not hit by an airplane…the lack of identifiable Boeing 757 wreckage at the Pentagon”
Capt. Eric H. May, U.S. Army, Intelligence officer ~
“I view the 911 event …as a matter that implies either…A) passive participation by the Bush White House through a deliberate stand-down or active execution of a plot by rogue elements of government, starting with the White House itself, in creating a spectacle of destruction that would lead the United States into an invasion of the Middle East”

Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief, U.S. Army Intelligence Officer, Raymond L. McGovern

” I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 report is a joke…just as Hitler in 1933 cynically exploited the burning of the parliament building, the Reichstag, this is exactly what our President did in exploiting 9/11…making a war of aggression on a country that he knew had nothing to do with 9/11…that’s certainly an impeachable offense…But compelling evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited.”
National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA’s Office of Regional and Political Analysis, William Christison ~
“there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. … An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. … The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them…this all was totally an inside job… I have since decided that….at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen or at least allowing it to happen… The reason that the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions rather than just being hit by two airplanes. … All of the characteristics of these demolitions show that they almost had to have been controlled explosions… I think you almost have to look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a joke and not a serious piece of analysis at all… It’s a monstrous crime”
U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officer, case officer CIA. Robert David Steele

“I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict (not necessarily convict) Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others…This is, without question, the most important modern reference on state-sponsored terrorism, and also the reference that most pointedly suggests that select rogue elements within the US Government, most likely led by Dick Cheney with the assistance of George Tenet, Buzzy Kronguard, and others close to the Wall Street gangs, are the most guilty of state-sponsored terrorism…I’m absolutely certain that WTC 7 was brought down by controlled demolition and that as far as I’m concerned means that this case has not been properly investigated. There’s no way that building could have come down without controlled demolition”
CIA Case Officer, Specialist in the Middle East, Directorate of Operations, Awarded Career Intelligence Medal, Robert Baer

“Regarding the opinion there was an aspect of ‘inside job’ to 9/11 within the U.S. government, “There is that possibility, the evidence points at it.”
Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the federal Aviation Administration. Team leader of the FAA’s Red (Terrorism) Team in the Federal Air Marshall program, Coast Guard officer,Bogdan Dzakovic
“At worst, I think the 9/11 Commission Report is treasonous.”
PART II. INTERNATIONAL EXPERT OPINION

Minister of Justice, West Germany, Horst Ehmke, PhD

“Terrorists could not have carried out such an operation with four hijacked planes without the support of a secret service.”
State Secretary, Federal Ministry of Defense, West Germany, Andreas von Buelow, PhD

“The official story is so inadequate and far-fetched that there must be another one…This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry.”
President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga

“[9/11] could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel.”
General Leonid Ivashov, Chief of Staff, Russian armed forces, Ministry of Defense

“Only secret services and their current chiefs – or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations – have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation [9/11] of such magnitude…Osama bin Laden and “Al Qaeda” cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders.”
Foreign Minister of Egypt, Mohamed Hassanein Heikal

“Bin Laden does not have the capabilities for an operation [9/11] of this magnitude. When I hear Bush talking about al-Qaida as if it was Nazi Germany or the communist party of the Soviet Union, I laugh because I know what is there. Bin Laden has been under surveillance for years: every telephone call was monitored and al-Qaida has been penetrated by American intelligence, Pakistani intelligence, Saudi intelligence, Egyptian intelligence. They could not have kept secret an operation that required such a degree of organization and sophistication.”
Chief of Staff, Pakistani Army, General Mirza Aslam Beg

“The information which is now coming up, goes to prove that involvement by the ‘rogue elements’ of the U.S. military and intelligence organization is getting more obvious. Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda definitely do not have the know-how and the capability to launch such operations involving such high precision coordination, based on information and expertise.”
European Parliament, Committee on Security and Defense, Giulietto Chiesa

regarding 9-11 “Billions of people were given only one explanation….which is entirely false….everyone who dares to question it is treated as if he was a fool.”
French Army Intelligence and artillery officer, Col. Pierre-Henri Bunel
Expert in the effects of artillery weapons and explosives ~ Regarding Department of Defense photos of the Pentagon on 9/11
“Image of the impact on the Pentagon is very instructive as to the nature of the explosion. … It corresponds to a detonation of an explosive with high energetic power. The explosion does not correspond to a deflagration of kerosene…suggests a single engine flying vehicle much smaller in size than an airliner…resembles the effects of anti-concrete hollow charges that I have been able to observe on a number of battlefields…lead me therefore to think that the detonation that struck the building was that of a high-powered hollow charge used to destroy hardened buildings and carried by an aerial vehicle, a missile.”
Safety Engineer and accident Analyst, National Safety Technology Authority, Finland, Heikki Kurttila, PhD

“Conclusion: The observed collapse time of WTC 7 was 6.5 seconds. That is only half a second longer than it would have taken for the top of the building to fall to the ground in a vacuum, and half a second shorter than the falling time of an apple when air resistance is taken into account. … The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition.”
Counter-Terrorism Officer, MI5 (Britain), David Shayler

regarding 9-11 “The available evidence indicates that people in key positions in the FBI, the State Department, the CIA and so on were not loyal to the Constitution; that they saw an opportunity in plans laid down by genuine Islamic terrorists to carry out an operation that would shock the world and would therefore justify U.S. adventurism in the middle East, particularly in Afghanistan and Iraq.”
PART III. 9/11 COMMISSION MEA CULPA

Chairman, 9/11 Commission, Thomas H. Kean, Former Governor of New Jersey

“FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue…We, to this day, don’t know why NORAD told us what they told us…It was just so far from the truth.”
Vice Chairman, 9/11 Commission, Lee Hamilton, Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Homeland Security Advisory Council

“we got started late; we had a very short time frame…we did not have enough money…We had a lot of people strongly opposed to what we did. We had a lot of trouble getting access to documents and to people. … So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail”
9/11 Commissioner, Timothy J. Roemer, PhD, Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

“that panel members so distrusted testimony from Pentagon officials that they referred their concerns to the Pentagon’s inspector general…We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”
Senior Counsel, 9/11 Commission, John J. Farmer, Jr., Former Attorney General, NJ, Former Commissioner of the State Commission of Investigations

“Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon’s initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described…The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.”

Incriminating evidence. politicians, architects, scholars, engineers, all skeptical of 9.11

No steel building has ever collapsed from a fire....except for the world trade center.

Even he construction manager said the towers were designed to handle a jet impact. "multiple jet impacts"
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Thank you very much, Tripace

Edited by lightupbong, 24 July 2012 - 04:17 AM.

Conpriracy theories belong in the Box

Conpriracy theories belong in the Box

It's mostly quotes from politicians so....no!

It's mostly quotes from politicians so....no!

Doesn't matter if it's politicians or everyday people, it's conspiracy theories.

Baaaaa! Everything the government says is true. They have no reason to lie to us. Baaaaaa!

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Sure Garrison;)

Still waiting for maxrule.

Thank you, Garrison, I put it in the wrong forum by mistake, but I'll try to remember that conspiracy goes in the Box, next time. In the meantime, I'm going to look at gun porn.

Your welcome.

Incriminating evidence. politicians, architects, scholars, engineers, all skeptical of 9.11

No steel building has ever collapsed from a fire....except for the world trade center.

Even he construction manager said the towers were designed to handle a jet impact. "multiple jet impacts"
Frank A. DeMartini - YouTube

Thank you very much, Tripace

Frank DeMartini was not talking about the fires caused by the jet fuel, he was talking structural integrity. He died on 9/11.

The Last Recorded Words of Frank De Martini, "Express Elevators Are Going To Collapse"

Frank De Martini is frequently quoted by truthers. They love repeating what he said in a January 2001 interview:


I believe the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door, this intense grid, and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing the screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting.

It should be pointed out he was neither an engineer nor involved in the design or construction of the towers thus his views on what the towers could withstand can not be considered expert opinion. An architect he was the onsite construction manager of the WTC complex. He first started working there when Leslie R. Robertson hired him to assess the damage done by the Feb. 1993 bombing. Robertson was the structural engineer who had designed the towers and had a contract with the Port Authority. In a certain sense he was right none of the professional reports indicated that impact damage was the principle cause of the collapses which are blamed on the failure of structural elements exposed to fire after their fireproofing had been removed.

On 9/11 he was still working there among his responsibilities was approving proposed renovations or changes tenants wanted to make to their spaces. His office was on the 88th floor of the North Tower. Rather than evacuate he “and Pablo Ortiz, a construction inspector — attacked the lethal web of obstacles that trapped people who had survived the impact of the plane but could not get to an exit” they “and others tore away rubble, broke down doors and answered calls for help.”

Just before the building collapsed they were in the 78th floor sky lobby and De Martini used his two way radio:


"Construction manager to base, be advised that the express elevators are in danger of collapse. Do you read?"
Only his end of the conversation is recorded. A few minutes later, he returns with another message: "Relay, that, Chris, to the firemen that the elevators — "

There is an interruption in the transmission.

"Express elevators are going to collapse."

He did not give his location, but Gerry Drohan, a colleague who was outside the building, said he also had a radio conversation with Mr. De Martini about the conditions on the 78th floor. Mr. De Martini wanted structural engineers brought up to the floor to look at steel, Mr. Drohan said, but police officers would not let them back into the building.

Mr. Drohan said that Mr. De Martini had asked him to pass his two-way radio to a police official in an attempt to persuade him, but that he was unsuccessful.

None of these conversations appear on the transcripts.

Another reason Mr. De Martini might have gone to the 78th floor was to help free Anthony Savas, who worked with him and was stuck in an elevator. He had sent out repeated radio requests for help. Alan Reiss, the former director of the World Trade Department for the Port Authority, who worked with both men, said Mr. Savas apparently did get out of the elevator, because his body was found in the remnants of a stairwell.

JIM DWYER "Fresh Glimpse in 9/11 Files of the Struggles for Survival" NY Times August 29, 2003

http://www.nytimes.c...?pagewanted=all

Truthers might claim he was afraid the elevator cars were in danger of plummeting down their shafts but that does not make sense, it would justify neither a radio call nor asking to have a structural engineer sent up to the 78th floor. The express elevators ran from 78th floor down to the lobby. The elevators were of course in the tower’s core and columns ran though the shafts. Obviously he saw some thing wrong with those columns they led him to conclude were going to collapse.
De Martini was far from being the only person who observed that the towers were unstable. Many of the others were structural engineers, architects and often high ranking fire fighters. Here are but a few examples:


The North Tower

"Who cannot (sic) forget that eerie creaking sound that emanated throughout the city right before the North Tower fell?" –Marc Morial, President and CEO, National Urban League Source

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• At 9:30 am, a FDNY Chief Officer inside WTC 1 feels the building move and makes the decision that the building is no longer safe.
• At 9:49 am, NYPD helicopters provide a radio report stating that “large pieces” are falling from WTC 2.
• At 10:07 am, NYPD aviation units warn that WTC 1 may collapse.
• At 10:20 am, NYPD aviation unit reports that WTC 1 is leaning to the south. Source


FDNY Assistant Chief Joseph Callan: "Approximately 40 minutes after I arrived in the lobby, I made a decision that the building was no longer safe. And that was based on the conditions in the lobby, large pieces of plaster falling, all the 20 foot high glass panels on the exterior of the lobby were breaking. There was obvious movement of the building, and that was the reason on the handy talky I gave the order for all Fire Department units to leave the north tower."Source

Callan: "For me to make the decision to take our firefighters out of the building with civilians still in it, that was very tough for me, but I did that because I did not think the building was safe any longer, and that was just prior to 9:30."–Source

EMS Division Chief John Peruggia: "I was in a discussion with Mr. Rotanz and I believe it was a representative from the Department of Buildings, but I'm not sure. Some engineer type person, and several of us were huddled talking in the lobby and it was brought to my attention, it was believed that the structural damage that was suffered to the towers was quite significant and they were very confident that the building's stability was compromised and they felt that the north tower was in danger of a near imminent collapse.

I grabbed EMT Zarrillo, I advised him of that information. I told him he was to proceed immediately to the command post where Chief Ganci was located. Told him where it was across the street from number 1 World Trade Center. I told him "You see Chief Ganci and Chief Ganci only. Provide him with the information that the building integrity is severely compromised and they believe the building is in danger of imminent collapse." So, he left off in that direction."

[…]

NYPD Aviation Reports

FDNY firefighter Kevin Gorman:"Guys were giving us water, wet rags to put on our head, and we were standing there, and there was a cop I knew who came by and gave me a drink of water, and then as he was standing there, he said, "Aviation just reported that the north tower is leaning." I said, "Which way is it leaning?" He said, "This way." So we started to turn around walking. John Malley, who was right behind me, I turned around for him, because he was doing something, either putting his coat on or something, and as I was looking at him I heard the explosion, looked up, and saw like three floors explode, saw the antenna coming down, and turned around and ran north.
Q. About how long would you say it was from when the police officer told you it was leaning?
A. Within 30 seconds."

FDNY Firefighter Brendan Lowrey: "We started walking south to the command center when a Police Officer stopped us and said, "hold up, guys. I have helicopters --" he was on the cell phone "--on the cell phone here." And he says, "when this one comes down, it's coming right for us." Meaning coming up West Street.

[…]

Firefighter Mike Cancel, Ladder 10:We could feel the building starting to twist above us. I called Ladder 10 three times, Ladder 10 roof to Ladder 10. There was no answer. I said we have to evacuate, the building's coming down. Again, there was no response.Source


On the 56th floor, an architect believes the building was failing structurally.

Architect Bob Shelton had his foot in a cast; he'd broken it falling off a curb two weeks ago. He heard the explosion of the first plane hitting the north tower from his 56th-floor office in the south tower. As he made his way down the stairwell, his building came under attack as well. "You could hear the building cracking. It sounded like when you have a bunch of spaghetti, and you break it in half to boil it." Shelton knew that what he was hearing was bad. "It was structural failure," Shelton says. "Once a building like that is off center, that's it."Source

Structural Engineer Al Masetti: At some point, perhaps when I was down around the 20th floor (north tower), there was a very clear and distinct radio message: "...structural instability...." It seemed obvious to me that some lightly dressed and unencumbered fireman had reached the scene of the impact, was able to evaluate what was there, and was able to report what he saw. Source

An engineer from the Department of Buildings reported that the structural damage appeared to be immense. The stability of both buildings was compromised. In particular, the engineer was worried about how long the north tower would stand. Jim Dwyer and Kevin Flynn. "102 Minutes: The Untold Story of the Fight to Survive Inside the Twin Towers" New York: Times Books, 2004

Roy Bell: "They said they had stretchers and wheelchairs down there, but I just wanted to get the hell out of the building," he said. "I ran into a building engineer, who told me there was only one safe exit out and that the building wasn't stable."

The last [recorded] words of Frank De Martini "Express elevators are going to collapse." - Political Conspiracies - The Education Forum

Edited by garrison68, 24 July 2012 - 05:40 AM.

Just had to bitch until it got moved huh garrison?

*someones in denial bout their shit government*

hahaha

epic

Its not denial lol...nobody goes out of their way like him. just saying...it's personal for garrison.

Its not denial lol...nobody goes out of their way like him. just saying...it's personal for garrison.

I used to be about 60% sure he was a government stooge. But I've changed my mind.









































Now I'm about 99% sure. He's some kind of patsy.