White Widow ChemDog 400W DR90 Hempy Bucket

Howdy Peeps? Well I decided to start a grow log for my very FIRST grow! Here's the specs

DR90 Grow Tent 3x3x6
Radiant 6" AC Hood
Technaflora Starter Kit(Rootech Cloning Gel-7 g, B.C Grow-500 ml, B.C Boost-500 ml, B.C Bloom-500 ml, Thrive Alive B-1 Red-125 ml, Thrive Alive B-1 Green-125 ml, Awesome Blossoms-125 ml, MagiCal-125 ml, SugarDaddy-250 ml, and ROOT 66-250 ml)
Lumatek 400W ballast dim hps&mh
400W HPS&MH Hortilux Bulbs
2.5 gl Hempy Bucket(100% perlite)
Phresh Carbon Filter 200cfm
Windtunnel 200cfm

Seeds:
GH White Widow x 5
GH Chemdog x 5
Dinafem Blue Widow x 2
G13 Labs Pineapple Express x 1
Delicious Seeds Critical Jack herer x 1

I am waiting for my equipment to come so I will post pics of the setup when it arrives. So until then I would greatly appreciate some feedback with a few questions I currently have.

I have done research on the hempy bucket method, but still alittle confused here. Fill hempy bucket with water. I germinate the selected seeds and put them in the perlite thats in the bucket. Once the plant has sprouted above perlite I water every day with plain water, after 3 days I can use the root66 and sugerdaddy as recommended every 2 days of the daily watering to stimulate root growth. When the plant is in there for 10-14 days(3 sets of leaves is visible) I can start going ahead with veg nutes at 1/2 strength. Pouring 2 gls of water into the bucket every 2 days and feeding with veg nutes once a week for the first week of nutes, week after go ahead with twice a week, still at 1/2 strength. Then just titrate up from there and follow nute mfg directions.

Does this sound right? Sorry for the long post, I'm very technical when it comes to this type of stuff.
ALSO should I go for 2,3, or 4 plants? I want to do 4, but I have seen what the hempy bucket can do so I don't know if room would be an issue with this grow setup. I'm thinking 2 white widows 1 chemdog 1 blue widow, or just 2 white widows and 2 chemdogs? I dont wanna use the other seeds until I have enough equipment for a veg chamber for a mother to clone.

O right fellas, that's about it. You're opinions would be much appreciated, and more posts to come with pics!

Also when I do my initial watering, do i just water until I have some run off from the hole in the bucket?

BUMP. OK here's my setup so far, any answers to my previous questions will be appreciated. Im still waiting on the seeds.

Looking good everything you said sounds about right on. Make sure your pH and nute ppm is correct when you start feeding with hydro pH in mind (5.6-5.9, I always just shoot for 5.8. It can wander a little outside that but it's not hard to get it set at 5.8..

If your not set on starting your seed that way maybe check out the first page of my journal and see how I started my plant. It will make a strong healthy plant every time. Watering till it runs off would be just fine. The lower reservoir (up to the hole) will fill up and then you'll just need to water again to make it run out of the hole.. Ever considered adding vermiculite or something similar to absorb a little more water. I always used 2:1 or 3:1 ratio of p/v..

Good luck

as 1 hydro grower to another I would start with 1/4 str and work your way up to half. I started half and got nute burn pretty good. Cut back to 1/4 cleared up the nute burn and waited a week like that went back to a half and good to go. Now i run 3/4 str solution and works beautiful but i also run a DWC. Check out my http://forum.grassci...trainwreck.html journal if you wanna see how they exploded. If you need any help man holla I'll help where i can from what i have learned.

Thanks for the replies guys. teSmp I did end up buying a millwaukee ph56 tester so ph and ppms should be down. I did check out your grow log and saw that you used a rapid rooter. My questions are as follows: You dunked them into a "nutrient solution", for my nutrient solution should i just dunk em in the sugar daddy and root66? And then just transplant them into the perlite with the RR and still feed sugardaddy and root66 until roots have hit resevoir? Also do i need to do 1/4 or 1/2 strength on the rooting solution or just full strength? it doesn't seem like this type of solution would burn the plants. I do like the RR idea alot.

chiozan, good point, always better to under do it than over do it. So would like 1/4 strength first week, 1/2 strength for the week after and so long and so forth? I should probably just inspect the plants and see if they are in a defiency before increasing dose?

And I am doing just 100% perlite with this one.

Thanks for the replies guys. teSmp I did end up buying a millwaukee ph56 tester so ph and ppms should be down. I did check out your grow log and saw that you used a rapid rooter. My questions are as follows: You dunked them into a "nutrient solution", for my nutrient solution should i just dunk em in the sugar daddy and root66? And then just transplant them into the perlite with the RR and still feed sugardaddy and root66 until roots have hit resevoir? Also do i need to do 1/4 or 1/2 strength on the rooting solution or just full strength? it doesn't seem like this type of solution would burn the plants. I do like the RR idea alot.

chiozan, good point, always better to under do it than over do it. So would like 1/4 strength first week, 1/2 strength for the week after and so long and so forth? I should probably just inspect the plants and see if they are in a defiency before increasing dose?

And I am doing just 100% perlite with this one.

To be honest, to me you bought a lot of stuff nutrient wise for your first grow! Anyways.. I can't recommend for you to use any certain products because I never have used anything like that for mine.. What I do is look at the nutrient chart the manufacture provides to you and look at the first stage.. It could be seedling or veg 1. Use those same ratios that they have but only mix up a 300 ppm solution of it...

For example: if the veg 1 stage was 10ml/gallon of each of the products that would probably come out to 600-800 ppm (fictitious numbers) you would scale it back say 3ml/gallon of each product and get it to around 200-300 ppm no more then 300.. If your higher just add water till you get it down to that level.

Place your seed in a mug of water (pH doesn't matter) with a plate over the top of the mug to block out light and keep it warm. Leave to soak for 24 hours. Mine usually crack by then but if it doesn't no big deal.

Take your rapid rooter and dunk it into the 200-300 ppm nutrient solution for 3-5 second until the bubbles stop coming up.. I then take the seeds and place it into the rapid rooter (cracked or not). I lay the seed on it's side sharp side up if that makes sense. Many people put the point edge straight down but I have better luck with the rapid rooters if they're on their side with the sharp edge up. Rip a little piece of rapid rooter off and push it down into the hole.. It's got to be a really small piece of RR, barely touching the sides of the hole if at all so the seedling can push itself up... It's really only there to keep it dark and keep all sides of the seed moist. After 2-3 days if it hasn't came up you can peak under (be careful) and look at how it's doing, when it does come up be super careful and rip a small piece of rapid rooter and stuff it around the little stem and the hole in the rapid rooter so it's nice and snug.

Every time you feel the RR go from moist to a little on the dry side then you want to re-dip it into the solution. Make sure it's not bone dry (ever) before you re-dip it, you want to feel moisture but don't want to dip it again until it's not real wet like when you first dip it.. I usually did it twice a day, maybe a third right before I went to bed.

I put mine under the HID from day 3 on at 400w. I know all this kind of sounds against what most people do (no nutrients for a while, no HID for a while, etc etc) but the proof is in the pictures if you see Jakesterjammin in my journal he taught me all the stuff I'm saying to you, and he's grown some amazing plants.

Continue dipping the rapid rooter into the solution for up to 7-10 days just leave it right in the RR don't worry about putting it into the buckets.. You'll end up with something like this at 7 days (look at all the root branching!):

http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=899571&d=1339476448

http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=899570&d=1339476447

At that point it's ready to go into your hempy buckets... What I do with my DWC is just take liquid out of the reservoir twice a day and dump it around the rapid rooter (one 16 oz cup).. You could do the same thing from your hempy hole or you could just use extra nutrients. You don't have to do this but as soon as I placed it into the hydroton I bumped it up to 950 ppm, no nute burn, no nothing it loved it.. Same thing Jakester does. You could do a little less, I haven't done it on a straight hempy grow..

Another 7-10 days and she's fully veggin:

http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=901155&d=1339694257

Like I said I know everything seems a little different then the way most people do it.. But I would say this was pretty large for the second week of being alive

Two more weeks (1050 ppm 5.8 pH entire time):

Edited by teSmp, 21 July 2012 - 09:47 PM.

To be honest, to me you bought a lot of stuff nutrient wise for your first grow! Anyways.. I can't recommend for you to use any certain products because I never have used anything like that for mine.. What I do is look at the nutrient chart the manufacture provides to you and look at the first stage.. It could be seedling or veg 1. Use those same ratios that they have but only mix up a 300 ppm solution of it...

For example: if the veg 1 stage was 10ml/gallon of each of the products that would probably come out to 600-800 ppm (fictitious numbers) you would scale it back say 3ml/gallon of each product and get it to around 200-300 ppm no more then 300.. If your higher just add water till you get it down to that level.

Place your seed in a mug of water (pH doesn't matter) with a plate over the top of the mug to block out light and keep it warm. Leave to soak for 24 hours. Mine usually crack by then but if it doesn't no big deal.

Take your rapid rooter and dunk it into the 200-300 ppm nutrient solution for 3-5 second until the bubbles stop coming up.. I then take the seeds and place it into the rapid rooter (cracked or not). I lay the seed on it's side sharp side up if that makes sense. Many people put the point edge straight down but I have better luck with the rapid rooters if they're on their side with the sharp edge up. Rip a little piece of rapid rooter off and push it down into the hole.. It's got to be a really small piece of RR, barely touching the sides of the hole if at all so the seedling can push itself up... It's really only there to keep it dark and keep all sides of the seed moist. After 2-3 days if it hasn't came up you can peak under (be careful) and look at how it's doing, when it does come up be super careful and rip a small piece of rapid rooter and stuff it around the little stem and the hole in the rapid rooter so it's nice and snug.

Every time you feel the RR go from moist to a little on the dry side then you want to re-dip it into the solution. Make sure it's not bone dry (ever) before you re-dip it, you want to feel moisture but don't want to dip it again until it's not real wet like when you first dip it.. I usually did it twice a day, maybe a third right before I went to bed.

I put mine under the HID from day 3 on at 400w. I know all this kind of sounds against what most people do (no nutrients for a while, no HID for a while, etc etc) but the proof is in the pictures if you see Jakesterjammin in my journal he taught me all the stuff I'm saying to you, and he's grown some amazing plants.

Continue dipping the rapid rooter into the solution for up to 7-10 days just leave it right in the RR don't worry about putting it into the buckets.. You'll end up with something like this at 7 days (look at all the root branching!):

http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=899571&d=1339476448

http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=899570&d=1339476447

At that point it's ready to go into your hempy buckets... What I do with my DWC is just take liquid out of the reservoir twice a day and dump it around the rapid rooter (one 16 oz cup).. You could do the same thing from your hempy hole or you could just use extra nutrients. You don't have to do this but as soon as I placed it into the hydroton I bumped it up to 950 ppm, no nute burn, no nothing it loved it.. Same thing Jakester does. You could do a little less, I haven't done it on a straight hempy grow..

Another 7-10 days and she's fully veggin:

http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=901155&d=1339694257

Like I said I know everything seems a little different then the way most people do it.. But I would say this was pretty large for the second week of being alive

Two more weeks (1050 ppm 5.8 pH entire time):

This is a good method if you have the time to work on them. If not you can do something like I did ... I used a RR plug and used straight water till first set of leaves spawned in a low cut dixie cup in a root tray and just added water .... I used flourals to start the grow but could easily do it in my dwc's if i wanted with just water as well. Really u don't need nutes till ur feeding leaves are gone the little round leaves that first come out when it sprouts. I started off with 1/4 str on my clones btw used a RR with cloning gel in a small dixie cup and had 2 liter bottles (clear ones) over the top for humidity domes. It worked good. I mixed up a real real light solution after 3 days and and poured it in there just 1/2" deep in the whole tray they would suck up what they needed and only did this for 7 more days and then put them into the DWC's and off they went. This is a temporary thing as I am gunna build an actual root starting/cloning machine. I am sure I have a picture somewhere of it I'll get back to you with that.

As to your other question. I did start off with my clone directly in my solution and the root grew down through the medium (Stearilized pea gravel) in about 2 days times. By the end of the first week I had a nice root system starting and even still I fill it up to same spot and let the plant take what it needs. That is why I like the DWC's.

Seeds are soaking(2 chemdog, 2 WW), Fan and MH are coming in 2 days, luckily i have a friend who is willing to lend me a blue LED if my package doesn't come when needed. teSmp I am checking out Jakester now to see his work, but I like your thinking and am willing to go with this method

Seeds are soaking(2 chemdog, 2 WW), Fan and MH are coming in 2 days, luckily i have a friend who is willing to lend me a blue LED if my package doesn't come when needed. teSmp I am checking out Jakester now to see his work, but I like your thinking and am willing to go with this method

It's actually on the first page of my journal.. He told me what to do beforehand.. But sweet good luck! Ask questions if you need.

Ok so all 4 of them has their taproot sticking out. I think I may have made the mistake of dunking them (after they're placed in the rapid tooter) 5ml sugar daddy 5ml root66 per gallon(ph = 5.8) solution. I guess i don't have a ppm meter to check it out. This mixture is made for transplanting of clones, and to be used right after transplanting. I had looked up ppms of this mixture and i have found that 1/3 strength is 156 ppm, so I did 1/2 so just a little more than that but still under 300? anyways i made another dunk solution of just distilled water(ph balanced 5.8), and will be dunking in them for the next couple days now. I am keeping them in my grow tent, and the tent stays at 74 F, should i keep them in warmer temps, like turning on the light? or do i have to wait till they sprout above ground?

Heres some pics

Edited by BudSkunk, 26 July 2012 - 02:05 AM.

Great job and no 75F is fine.. You can turn on the light if you like it will just dry the RR faster.. And no keep dunking it with the light nutrient solution


Oh and I never use distiller water.. You want RO water (reverse osmosis), standard drinking water in jugs..

let us know how those GH widows turn out. i had 5 and 4 of them shitted on me. and the other strains were beautiful. won't order green house seeds again. we did nothing wrong with them

let us know how those GH widows turn out. i had 5 and 4 of them shitted on me. and the other strains were beautiful. won't order green house seeds again. we did nothing wrong with them

I've heard this over and over... They seem to not be very good at breeding.. I like their videos though

The RR doesn't seem like they are not getting dry enough, i only had to dunk them once since i did the initial dunk, is water logging possible with RR?

The RR doesn't seem like they are not getting dry enough, i only had to dunk them once since i did the initial dunk, is water logging possible with RR?

No.. Should be fine. What light are you using? I put mine under the 400w HID from the beginning so it dried out more.. Have the came above yet?

No they haven't but it's only been 48 hours. Some people use a dome, did you? right now they are sitting in shot glasses under the 400w HID, they are drying out more now htat i have the light on, lol. First day I didn't have the light, but the temp got too low. Now its under the light. I guess my question is how do you know if they have enough moisture?

I Gave them a closer look and I am pretty positive that one of them is starting to pop up, the RR piece above it is raised up like a mofo.

You can carefully remove the rapid rooter piece and help the little seedling out or let it be.. Your choice. I did use a humidity done for the first 3 days and in that 3 days I think i dunked it once.. It was under a single cfl for those 3 days when it was above the surface then under the HID. You could skip that cfl step if you want, how far away is your HPS?? Temps?

Just let it dry out a little bit, not where it is hard but it will still have a little moisture when you touch it. When you dunk it should feel pretty moist all over.. I dunked twice a day usually under the HPS, sometimes 3x.

When the seedling does come up carefully place a piece of rapid rooter near the stem to keep it nice and tight.. The seedling will be leaning over at first it will go up to the light within 6-12 hours.

It is just a little over 3 feet away from the HID, and it gets somewhere between 77F and 83F at any given time