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Hi guys so me and my girl finally got our own place together. I've been trying to get a small personal grow going for years now and finally now have the chance. We just moved in a few weeks ago and in the bathroom it looks like there is the PERFECT opportunity / space to have a couple plants setup!!

In the bathroom on the lefthand side ("behind" the door when its open) is a perfect space that's maybe 2.5' deep and about 3.5'-4' from side to side. There is nothing in here except one light at the top and a light switch.

I've been reading about lighting and have chosen to go with CFL because I'm cheap and that is the safest route for me because it's not like I'm rolling around in the green (literally and figuratively) .

I will be buying clones from a local dispensary :D.

What do I need? I've seen a lot of conflicting reports in different threads.

What type and how many lightbulbs do I need to grow 2-4 plants in this enclosed space?

Do i need "real" ventilation or can I leave that door open occasionally and throw a small fan in the bathroom throwing air around?

Any specific nutrients / fert?

How big of pots do I need?

Theres 1 lightbulb in the ceiling, do I need to get some type of hanging light fixture or how would I set the lights up?

THANK YOU

Any answers are much appreciated!! Remember I'm trying to be as cost effective as possible---but not trying to buy cheap / garbage equipment!

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After a little more research I think I'm going to go with 4x3gal pots? Now mostly what I'm concerned is the lighting. Looking at amazon some 125w CFL lights are ~$40 and if I want at least 100w per plant I'm almost in 400W HPS / ballast territory, or not?? This is where I'm kind of confused. I want to take the cheaper route, so should I stick with CFLs? And if so, how many/much and what kind? (Day spectrum or other?)



edit: http://www.ebay.com/...=item2a17d8aa49
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http://www.ebay.com/...=item2a1af8072e because this comes with a fixture

I think I will go with that maybe with some Y adapters into a power strip that will be hung?

Does anything look wrong with this potential setup? It almost seems to cheap/easy to be true but with those lights/3gal pots/fert/nuts do I have a decent setup to get me started?

Edited by esrplaya, 10 July 2012 - 08:38 PM.


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correct you're looking at a few CFL's and welcome to the price range of a HID setup- HID territory. as you can see in the list I posted a few pages ago, I recommend a simple setup- a 400 watt magnetic high pressure sodium ballast, with a philips ceramic metal halide 400 watt bulb to go along with it. You'll need a ceramic socket cable to hang the lamp vertically, and a 15 amp timer, and surge protector. This setup runs your plants through all phases- same deal with the soil- none of this switching bulbs and nutrients for each phase
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400 magnetic hps- $125
philips 400 cmh bulb- $25
lamp cord- $15
2 #7 smart pots- $15
bale of sphagnum peat $15
epsoma or similar #5 bag- $10
pumice/redlavarock/rice hulls- $10 for a 50 pound bag
#30 redworm compost loaded with redworms - $15
4'' centrifugal fan- $70
carbon filter- $70

total cost after tax and shipping- $370.
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these are the basics there are a few tips about how it all works together and a few extra things you can pick up to boost your soil performance, but maybe I'll leave this for later...

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Awesome thank you for the input! The HPS is definitely going to drain more energy correct? And what about heat? For the most part this closet will be closed and I don't want to burn down the apartment... Is that a risk for running a HPS in a small confined area? I would like to leave my house without worrying if I'm going to come down to a burned apartment complex or not, lol!

Was looking on craigslist and came across a hydroponics shop not too far from where I live.

600W Ballast / 600W HPS Bulb / 6" tube for $165

Individually, 400W ballast for $80, 400W HPS / MH $25 a piece, 6" air cooled tube $55 or 6" reflector w/ glass $70

So should I be going for a metal halide or an HPS? Or both?

Started doing some shopping on amazon.com and came across http://www.amazon.co...400w grow light which seems like the best deal I've seen yet AND has good reviews (at least on amazon!). Any input on this?

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Awesome thank you for the input! The HPS is definitely going to drain more energy correct? And what about heat? For the most part this closet will be closed and I don't want to burn down the apartment... Is that a risk for running a HPS in a small confined area? I would like to leave my house without worrying if I'm going to come down to a burned apartment complex or not, lol!

Was looking on craigslist and came across a hydroponics shop not too far from where I live.

600W Ballast / 600W HPS Bulb / 6" tube for $165

Individually, 400W ballast for $80, 400W HPS / MH $25 a piece, 6" air cooled tube $55 or 6" reflector w/ glass $70

So should I be going for a metal halide or an HPS? Or both?

Started doing some shopping on amazon.com and came across Amazon.com: iPower GLSETX400DHMWING 400-Watt Light Digital Dimmable System for Plants: Patio, Lawn & Garden which seems like the best deal I've seen yet AND has good reviews (at least on amazon!). Any input on this?


if you use 400 watts of cfl and 400 watts of hps i actually think the hps will be cooler especial because u can hang it higher and get a enclosed or cooltube reflector.. energy is energy...(and energy = heat)just remember that a 400w hps actually pulls like 430ish watts but it puts out 2x-3x more light than cfls maybe check these out.....

250w HPS MH Grow Light Digital Ballast Kit Hangers, Timer Complete 250 watt | eBay

you can select what reflector you want, timer,Bulb(s), and light hangers..and i think 250w HiD would be great for the space you got

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You cannot grow in that space unless you have a good ventilation set up. Plants need air to survive and thrive. Plus, any light that is strong enough to grow your plants is going to generate heat. You need a constant supply of air in and air out. Opening the door here and there will get you some sad wimpy probably diseased plants.

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Hmm with everything that setup will cost more then the ipower on Amazon. Was probably going to go with three plants will 250 be adequate? And that door wouldn't be closed most of the time. If I HD a small fan in the bathroom blowing air either in or put would that work?

Thanks everybody

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You need ventilation. Bottom line.
Plant fiber is 80% carbon. They get this carbon from the fresh air they breathe. Air is as important as light, water, or elements and it cannot be sacrificed.

The minimum suggested air exchange rate is 2 minutes. This means you need a fan that is capable of removing all the air in that room every 2 minutes. Many growers employ fans that can exchange all the air in the grow space every 20 or 30 seconds. This helps keep the temperature in the grow space close to the temperature of the intake air.

As a past apartment grower one thing you DEFINITELY want to do is employ a carbon filter. With all those neighbors so close you have got to remove that wonderful smell from the air or expect to get busted or ripped. Flowering cannabis can reak, and stink up and entire complex. Even just a few plants.

If you want to do this right then you are looking down the barrel of about $500 in equipment and supplies. If you want to half ass it (which I get the feeling you are going to do anyway) then it is going to be a lot less expensive.

You cannot run an HID in that room without ventilation. CFL and LED lighting are the only options if you refuse to install a proper ventilation system.

My suggestion to you is to get an extra door from the hardware store. Take the one you have now off the hinges and replace it with your new cheap-o door. Cut circular holes near the top and bottom in the new door and run ventilation through that. Interior doors are like $25 to $40. This allows you to install a fan for exhaust and have a passive air intake without fucking up your apartment complexes bathroom door. Then you can get a 400w HID system and start pulling a few hundred grams every 90 days or so.

That's what I would do. Buy a new door$40, a 180cfm inline fan$60, carbon filter and ducting$120, a 400w HPS (mounted vertically$125), a few circulation fans$50, and an organic media to grow in$15. 3 gallon fabric planters$10 with a 25 day veg$25(power) and a 65 day flowering$40(power) expecting 200 to 300 grams depending on strain and other factors. Total cost of around $500 depending on what the clones go for and what you actually pay per kwh. Nutrients would be extra but not much more.

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You need ventilation. Bottom line.
Plant fiber is 80% carbon. They get this carbon from the fresh air they breathe. Air is as important as light, water, or elements and it cannot be sacrificed.

The minimum suggested air exchange rate is 2 minutes. This means you need a fan that is capable of removing all the air in that room every 2 minutes. Many growers employ fans that can exchange all the air in the grow space every 20 or 30 seconds. This helps keep the temperature in the grow space close to the temperature of the intake air.

As a past apartment grower one thing you DEFINITELY want to do is employ a carbon filter. With all those neighbors so close you have got to remove that wonderful smell from the air or expect to get busted or ripped. Flowering cannabis can reak, and stink up and entire complex. Even just a few plants.

If you want to do this right then you are looking down the barrel of about $500 in equipment and supplies. If you want to half ass it (which I get the feeling you are going to do anyway) then it is going to be a lot less expensive.

You cannot run an HID in that room without ventilation. CFL and LED lighting are the only options if you refuse to install a proper ventilation system.

My suggestion to you is to get an extra door from the hardware store. Take the one you have now off the hinges and replace it with your new cheap-o door. Cut circular holes near the top and bottom in the new door and run ventilation through that. Interior doors are like $25 to $40. This allows you to install a fan for exhaust and have a passive air intake without fucking up your apartment complexes bathroom door. Then you can get a 400w HID system and start pulling a few hundred grams every 90 days or so.

That's what I would do. Buy a new door$40, a 180cfm inline fan$60, carbon filter and ducting$120, a 400w HPS (mounted vertically$125), a few circulation fans$50, and an organic media to grow in$15. 3 gallon fabric planters$10 with a 25 day veg$25(power) and a 65 day flowering$40(power) expecting 200 to 300 grams depending on strain and other factors. Total cost of around $500 depending on what the clones go for and what you actually pay per kwh. Nutrients would be extra but not much more.



Nicely put man....Deff REP coming ur way:smoke:

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and if you get a can of redworms and release them in your soil now- whatever soil it may be-
it will give you a head start when you want to plant your seedlings and the soil is charged and ready to go.

Worms don't eat food scraps FYI, they eat compost. So whatever compost you have- be it composted sphagnum peat and bark (''ancient forest'' brand), cow or horse compost, thermal compost, whatever.

it takes a few weeks for a can of worms but the final product- Vermicompost -has known insecticidal and fungicidal properties especially when worms are fed neem seed meal.

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Wow EXCELLENT posts guys!! I checked local home depot and I can get a regular old slab door for almost $22!!

After doing more research I've been thinking maybe cutting to a smaller grow setup and just going with l1-2 plants and doing LST to save on energy / hopefully increase yield.

Maybe something like http://www.amazon.co...er 250w HPS kit ? That's the best priced setup I've seen yet?

Edited by esrplaya, 16 July 2012 - 09:29 PM.


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Don't get a digital ballast under 600 watts.

The best bulbs you can use for growing, for both get and flower, are Philips master color ceramic metal halides. They run only on magnetic HPS ballasts and not past 400w.

http://www.plantligh...ght-p-3587.html

http://www.horticult...ved=0CFwQgwgwAw

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ya if you wanna use 250w get a 600 watt that dim's ...and you can find them with cool-tubes for alot better of a price too and..if you ever want to make ur grow a little bigger you could step ur light up to 400w or 600w...the cool-tube and sealed reflectors make everything with HID SO much easier...and with the 600's you can get the MH bulb too...if your into that sorta thing

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Hey guys so I've decided to take all of your input and scrap my "cheap" or "half-assed" mentality for this. I want to do this legit and I want to start piecing everything together since I don't have all of the money right now. Big problem is having stuff sent to my apartment because I would rather it not sit infront of my door since me and my GF are barely home

. I have decided I would rather buy this grow tent from LED wholesalers. http://www.amazon.com/ LEDwholesalers-GYO1001-62-Inch-Reflective-Hydroponic/dp/B00283Q59M/ref=sr_1_1? ie=UTF8&qid=1342656470&sr=8-1& keywords=grow+tent and have two plants in 5gal buckets with a DIY hydro setup I will piece and build together myself (for cheap!). I want to use the Low Stress Training technique so I can maximize my yield.


My biggest concerns are VENTILATION, ODOR, and what nutrients!? After scrapping the soil grow and switching to hydro, what nutrients and growing mediums will I need? The tent is 62x36x20~ so what kind of ventilation setup should I be trying to go for? I'm not trying to be cheap, but I AM trying to save money AND be cost effective.

I've been trying to research and I'm still kind of lost! And finally, I'm probably going to make a carbon filter following a tutorial on the site but what other "cheap" options there? I'm willing to spend a *few* more bucks if it will save me hours trying to piece one.

hank you everybody for your input so far, once I come to a plan / conclusion I will be ordering everything and will be doing a grow log! :D P.S. I've attached a spreadsheet of materials I need, if I'm missin

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From what I've heard, hydro is harder than soil. It's better to get a few grows under your belt with soil.

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So after reading a little more I've calculated that the minimum CFM of 7.75'x3'x2' = 46.5 and if I want to be able to change all of the air every 2 minutes I need 23.25CFM is this correct? With factoring in an "uncoiled" hps will a single 80cfm inline fan be sufficient? And does anybody have some God links for cheap fan/carbon filter/ducting

Thank you!

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I got my filter and muffler from ebay. Home depot works just fine for dryer hose. The more air you move, the cooler your environment is. Don't forget the walls. You'll need reflective material to increase your light coverage.

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Nice thank you! I was thinking two fans for 1 in and 1 out each being 80cfm. Should I go with thar or 1 165CFM exhaust fan?

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If I were you I'd go with the 165cfm fan. A couple 90 degree turns in your ducting and that extra cfm gets chewed up fast. And while once every 2 minutes is the minimum exchange... you don't want the minimum harvest right? I suggest to most people at least a 2x per minute exchange. I use a 400cfm fan in a 175cuft tent and it vents straight out. When running it on high I can achieve a 3 degree difference between the temperature under the lights and the intake temperature. So for you the 160cfm with a few turns in the ducting will guarantee a 2x per minute exchange rate, and might be able to hit almost 4x per minute. Really, you can't move too much air... And that 160cfm fan will do better with a carbon filter, and give you more value down the road.

It looks to me like you are thinking of doing a DWC grow. Hydroponics is not easy, especially with a minimal gardening and/or cannabis background to start with. For a beginner it is most highly recommended that you use organic soil instead, until you get a feel for the plant and how it grows. By using organic soil you are going to save yourself money in the upfront costs (no need for expensive nutrients, pH meters and balancing solutions, or the pumps and buckets) and provide yourself with a much, much, easier grow system. Especially in that tiny little space, two DWC buckets would make two huge plants but the organics will grow at a pace that is a little more manageable for the area you have to work with. Start with extra plants, 6 total, so that the males can be removed and then keep the best looking 2 females to flower.

Use an organic potting soil and you are going to want to add some extra perlite to it. Some other items to purchase would be crushed dolomite lime, worm castings, MaxiCrop Sea kelp and/or dry kelp meal, compost (composted cow manure is good, but it HAS to be composted and not straight manure fertilizer). Do not select a soil with anything like moisture control or time release fertilizers. Miracle Grow is okay as long as you get the Organic Choice potting soil or one of the other Organic soils they have for flowers (although these require considerably more extra perlite to get the right aeration for indoor).

All together you could spend probably $25 on soil stuff but you're going to have a lot (like 5x more than you need) extra. The Compost, kelp, and the Worm castings can be used together in a 5 gallon bucket with a single pump and air stone to brew up some compost tea. This will provide a nutritional and microbe boost to your soil when they need a good pick me up. The dolomite used at 1 teaspoon per gallon of soil and mixed right in will help provide some calcium and magnesium as well as help buffer the pH of your mix to a healthy range for organics.

Hydro is going to be a headache. It is expensive but when it is done right... It does offer the best yields day for day. The choice is yours but do some research before making your mind up on this matter. Get all the other parts first.

Grow Lights, Grow Bulbs and Hydroponics - Plantlighting Hydroponics & Grow Lights
eHydroponics.com - The Most Trusted Name in Hydroponics
Hydroponic Systems - Hydroponics, Advanced Nutrients, Grow Lights, and all the supplies for your home garden and grow room needs.

These are the hydroponic sites that I frequent. They don't carry everything, even between the three of them. If you need something special then eastwesthydro.com or greeners.com might carry it. Between these 5 sites, most of them have a lowest price guarantee, you will get the best deal available on the net from a reputable company. I suggest Ehydroponics personally, they tend to be timely, have good customer service, and have a great stock of items. I actually find their shipping charges tend to justify their slightly higher base costs, especially when putting together a couple of heavy items that other sites will charge you a arm and a leg for.


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