Atheists are just as bad as religous people

First of all I'm agnostic, let's get that clear.

But has anyone else been the victiom of pro atheism in the last couple of years much more than being the victim of someone pushing christianity on you.
The amount of pro atheism status updates and pictures on my facebook is far more than any pro religion propaganda, I also find the same on youtube video comments forums etc, even special news reports. I now see the balance is swaying towards atheism rather than christianity, which isn't neccessarily a bad thing because the bible is ridiculous.

However what does get me about atheists is their complete bashing of christianity, they absolutely love to make bad guys out of christians, because they hate them. Out of all the atheists I know at the very least 75% of them hate christians. why? I guess the only justifiable reason for hating a christian would be because they are trying to put their religion on other people. Which is a fair criticism.

But these very same people are posting pro atheism propaganda, trying to tell me atheism is the way to go "we are right" they cry, "look how stupid religious people are" etc. Is this not hypocrisy? They hate religious people for spreading their beliefs yet they are doing exactly the same often at the same time as they demean christianity.

No one can be certain there is a god, and no one can be certain that there isn't a god. To me both sides are as ignorant and stupid as eachother. Yes atheists have more scientific evidence to support them, but there complete hypocrisy of late has left me with very little respect for them.

In fact I have very little respect for any human being who claims to know for certain that there is or is not a creator.

you live in australia. i have no idea what your environment is like there. come to the states and see if you still feel that way.

you live in australia. i have no idea what your environment is like there. come to the states and see if you still feel that way.

I was more referring to the UK and Australia two places I have lived. Both with significantly less christianity percentages than the US. I haven't lived in the US I don't know what it's like there, but if you are from the US I guess you should not focus on the part where it says athesim is more predominant than christianity.

i have a difficult time accepting the statement about atheist propaganda being greater than christian propaganda, even outside of the us but certainly because of the environment here. i don't actually know what it's like out there.

i regard people who make a positive statement about the non-existence of god the same as those who make the opposite positive statement. but only if they're proactive and bringing it up out of thin air. that doesn't make me less of an atheist. i don't usually go out of my way to point out that i'm an atheist, although the few times that i have were all inspired by people who were already actively talking about religion.

when someone is talking about religion, i presume that their reasoning is either to show off (which such humble people would certainly not do!) or to convince someone else of their righteousness. if you're trying to convince me, i'm gonna make you work at it if i can. i think most of the people who are saying "god doesn't exist" are really just tired of saying "you didn't convince me!" and even more than that, tired of the repeated attempts to convince them using the same weak arguments.

i have a difficult time accepting the statement about atheist propaganda being greater than christian propaganda, even outside of the us but certainly because of the environment here. i don't actually know what it's like out there.

i regard people who make a positive statement about the non-existence of god the same as those who make the opposite positive statement. but only if they're proactive and bringing it up out of thin air. that doesn't make me less of an atheist. i don't usually go out of my way to point out that i'm an atheist, although the few times that i have were all inspired by people who were already actively talking about religion.

when someone is talking about religion, i presume that their reasoning is either to show off (which such humble people would certainly not do!) or to convince someone else of their righteousness. if you're trying to convince me, i'm gonna make you work at it if i can. i think most of the people who are saying "god doesn't exist" are really just tired of saying "you didn't convince me!" and even more than that, tired of the repeated attempts to convince them using the same weak arguments.

Well the last BSA study in Great Britain in 2009 showed that over half the population was not religious, and that less than a fifth were christians. Whereas in the US the christian percentage is over half I believe.
Also it's important to note that I'm a young person and surround myself with young people, who I'm assuming without any statistical evidence have a lot higher atheism rates and lower christianity rates than the more old fashioned members of society.

I don't have a problem with your atheist promotion when it is a direct response to a religious person making opposite claims. But what I'm noticing are atheists who probably at some point came in to contact with a religious person promoting his beliefs, but instead of directly responding to that person they've decided they're going to spread there beliefs in to society too, to counteract it. Which is just as bad in my opinion is very hypocritical.

Of course I'm not criticising all atheists, maybe you never do this and if so I'm not putting any amount of blame on you. But I know of many Christians who don't preach their beliefs randomly either. My point is if we're going to look negatively on christianity because some people involved with it try and put it on others, then we should do the same for atheism whom in my experience is just as active in this.

Neither side has been proved to be correct nor will that ever happen, so both sides should just keep their beliefs to themselves.

You're making generalizations, not all atheists are the same.

You're making generalizations, not all atheists are the same.

Read above comment again.

I don't think atheists are worse than anyone else but I have had more atheists shove their beliefs down my throat than any other religious group. And being an ex-atheist I have spent more time defending Christians/Muslims etc than defending atheism. I just hate when anyone thinks their belief is right and any thing else is wrong. No matter how much proof or not of anything there is. I don't follow any religions by the way. I have multiple beliefs, but its always me admitting it could be wrong. I simultaneously have polar opposite beliefs most of the time.

Agnostics are the worst! make up your mind!!

Well to be fair he was saying he's been noticing more and more atheists now that are AS BAD as (not more, not less than) overly religious people. Saying that all religious people are pushy and ignorant are huge generalizations that I've seen made in these forums and on my fb as well and I live in America. I've come across people trying to push their beliefs on both sides but lately its been coming more from atheists. Also just want to put it out there that I couldn't care less what someone else believes or doesn't believe in, I'm just writing down what I've observed recently.

Edit: The last sentence was supposed to show that I'm not biased.. didnt mean for it to come out so dickish lol

Edited by speshulbrowny, 07 July 2012 - 06:29 AM.

Agnostics are the worst! make up your mind!!

It's not about making up your mind, it's accepting that you could never know, and it isn't black or white, it's not just a choice between organised religion and atheism, it's not about picking sides, their are infinite possibilities for existence.
I don't even know if the person sitting next to me exists or not, I assume they do to get on with my life but really I have absolutely no idea, so how then could I believe a god exists if I'm not even certain about that.

I do have an idea of what I think existence might be, but then I also realise I can't trust my own mind and nor do I know anything for certain, so I don't committ to any sort of belief system.

I'm not committing to any belief system, I'm rejecting theistic claims. If you want to sit on your fence, do it.

Agnosticism isn't anymore rational than agnostic atheism.

edit: found this funny

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Edited by Miyagi, 07 July 2012 - 06:45 AM.

I don't have a problem with your atheist promotion when it is a direct response to a religious person making opposite claims. But what I'm noticing are atheists who probably at some point came in to contact with a religious person promoting his beliefs, but instead of directly responding to that person they've decided they're going to spread there beliefs in to society too, to counteract it. Which is just as bad in my opinion is very hypocritical.

I think it depends on what they're trying to say. If they're just trying to say that believing in god is stupid, then that's obnoxious. Sometimes religion is behind really bad reasoning that affects everyone, and when that's the case I can hardly fault a guy for pointing it out. It's valid, but not always welcome, kind of like bringing up politics. You might have a valid concern with democrats, but it's kind of bad form to just bring that into a conversation out of thin air.

I'm not committing to any belief system, I'm rejecting theistic claims. If you want to sit on your fence, do it.

Agnosticism isn't anymore rational than agnostic atheism.

edit: found this funny

The Agnostic Code - YouTube

Rejecting theistic claims, based on what?

Also agnosticism doesn't mean that we shouldn't talk about it, I'm all for discussing possibilities of existence and I throughly enjoy it, I just don't commit to believing any of the possibilities, Because I will close my mind to all other options, which may well be closing my mind to the truth.

=didier12;15122464. Atheists are just as bad as religous people...

Not even close.

Wew 12 reads with 11 replies. Seems like everyone always has something to say.

Rejecting theistic claims, based on what?

Also agnosticism doesn't mean that we shouldn't talk about it, I'm all for discussing possibilities of existence and I throughly enjoy it, I just don't commit to believing any of the possibilities, Because I will close my mind to all other options, which may well be closing my mind to the truth.

I reject theistic claims because there is no reason to believe them... a complete lack of evidence. I'm simply not buying what they're selling, and still open to possibilities, I'm an agnostic atheist.
I'm an atheist and I am in no way closing my mind.

I reject theistic claims because there is no reason to believe them... a complete lack of evidence. I'm simply not buying what they're selling, and still open to possibilities, I'm an agnostic atheist.
I'm an atheist and I am in no way closing my mind.

There's a lack of evidence, but it's definitely a possibility that we can think about like the fourth dimension.
Personally I think that if their was a creator that he wouldn't allow anyone to know of his existence, as it would wreck the whole point of what he's created. So there would be no available evidence for us to draw from but that wouldn't mean he didn't exist.

There's a lack of evidence, but it's definitely a possibility that we can think about, just like the fourth dimension or nothingness.
Personally I think that if their was a creator that he wouldn't allow anyone to know of his existence, as it would wreck the whole point of what he's created. So there would be no available evidence for us to draw from but that wouldn't mean he didn't exist.

I know its a possibility, but as of now it doesn't meet my standards of evidence, it doesn't meet yours either. If some evidence comes around, I'll evaluate that and add it into the equation. As of now, you lack belief in God(s) . I'm saying I'm not buying what you're selling, you're saying the same thing but you're not accepting it, you're just saying you don't know. I'm not saying 'i know' either ...I don't know and I'm acknowledging it, but their claims haven't met my standards of evidence. I'm not even making a claim to be rejected.



I'm high as fuck mayne.

Edited by Miyagi, 07 July 2012 - 07:25 AM.

I know its a possibility, but as of now it doesn't meet my standards of evidence, it doesn't meet yours either. If some evidence comes around, I'll evaluate that and add it into the equation. As of now, you lack belief in God(s) .



I'm high as fuck mayne.

I don't need evidence, I just know it's a possibility. It's possible it is true so therefore it can not be ruled out.
Also I've had personal experiences that to me suggest their is somewhat of a creator and that is my evidence, however I don't believe it ultimately because I can't trust my sub concious mind.

Edit: A lot of what I'm getting at has to do with Rene Descartes evil demon theory. and the whole I think therefore I am business. Read that if you haven't done so already.

Edited by didier12, 07 July 2012 - 07:31 AM.