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Soil Amendment Amounts
Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:23 PM
So I'm fascinated, and now addicted to the organics section. I've been growing in soil, but the lame way.....with Roots Organic instead of mixing my own. I was even super lame in the beginning and was using bottled nutes (FF trio). Now I've at least eliminated the bottles, and instead use bat guanos, and bone and blood meals. I pre-mix a little of those (all the above mentioned) in the soil, and then top dress with the guanos and every now and then, some gardening lime.
So now I want to step it up a notch. I want to use worm castings, kelp meal, alfalfa meal etc since you all speak so highly of them. I'm not quite ready to do a 100% DIY mix, so I'd like to remain lazy (for now....the time will come) and use Roots as my base.
So....my question: Does any one have any good ideas on a good way to amend Roots Organic with additional EW castings/compost (perhaps chicken or/and cow) alfalfa meal, kelp meal, bat guanos (or maybe not?), etc.
I'm sure I'm gonna use EW castings, compost, kelp meal, and alfalfa meal. Possibly the guanos, depending on your responses. And any other suggestions you feel are important. Also, I do plan to let the soil cook a few weeks too. Any help is appreciated.
Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:48 PM
Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:09 AM
Your getting close on your soil mix, look into neem meal.
Posted 07 July 2012 - 09:15 AM
I was talking about amending some Roots bc I have 3 large full bags of it. Wanted to use them up first, then move on to mixing my own 100%.
So for now....I have 3 large bags (1.75 cu ft, I think?) of Roots, a 30 lb bag of EW castings, 2 boxes of kelp meal (2.5 lbs each), one 20 lb bag of chicken compost, 2.5 lbs mex bat guano, 2.5 lbs Jamaican bat guano, 2.5 lbs Indonesian Bat Guano, and 5 lbs alfalfa meal. Oh, and garden lime.
So, what's the best way to mix all this with Roots? On my next grow, I plan to mix it all myself. But for now, I have these bags and I'd rather not waste them. I know Roots has many of these ingredients already so I figure a may not have to add too much with my amendments. Save that for my next grow which will be done 100% DIY mix.....
And thanks for your help bro! I'll keep looking for some neem meal. Just lemme know how to mix it. Thanks again!!
Posted 07 July 2012 - 11:25 AM
10 lbs for 25 shipped or 20lbs for 35 shipped thats where I got my mine good quick service.
for neem cake(meal) that is
Posted 07 July 2012 - 11:39 AM
Not only is neem a perfect insecticide/anti-feedant, it is also a dynamic accumulator. It has deep tap roots that mine a wealth of elements and other compounds from the Earth.
Please keep in mind that many bat guanos are from very old caves where the guano has fossilized/mineralized. The guano is harvested and then ground into a powder for use. This said, fossilized guano can take a very long time to break down so that it is available for plant and microbe nutrition.
If you want advice as a newer organic gardener then use your ewc's, compost, kelp, alfalfa, but buy a bag of "blended organic fertilizer", such as is made by Epsoma, Dr. Earth or Down to Earth. The Epsoma ones are called either Plant Tone, Garden Tone or Tomato Tone. I'm not sure what the other brands are called. It doesn't matter too much which one you get - they are all similar. Using a blended general organic fertilizer will work very well for you and give you time to continue reading up on soil mixes.
Add around 2 cups of this blended fertilizer to your soil mix, per cubic foot (around 7 gallons). Add another half a cup each of your kelp and alfalfa meals.
You need to wet your mix thoroughly and then let it sit and nutrient cycle for a minimum of 2 weeks - 4 weeks is better.
Edited by jerry111165, 07 July 2012 - 11:46 AM.
Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:24 PM
Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:02 PM
And thanks for the mixing amounts, Jerry. That was my next question but you nailed it. I'll look into some of those general plant/garden tone ferts as well.
I'll let y'all know how all is going, and will definitely be back on here for my next grow when I mix my own soil from scratch. You guys are the best! Happy Saturday to ya!
Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:12 PM
And by 20-30%.....that means in ADDITION to my cu ft, correct? As opposed to taking out 20-30% of my Roots Soil and REPLACING it w EW castings/compost, right? Sorry if that's a silly question. Lol.
Posted 07 July 2012 - 10:29 PM
You've seen what people use in their mixes. Just keep scoring those bits and ends every time you visit a garden center, feed store, or grow shop. Keep reading the stickies and make a thread once you've made a plan.
Listen to Hap, man.
Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:40 AM
Don't wanna O.D. mah babies! Lol
Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:51 AM
But.....I couldn't find the exact answer on how much EWC/compost to add to a bag of Roots Organic that already has some amendments in it. And I swear guys.....as soon as these 3 bags of Roots are done, I'm 100% going DIY made from scratch, pure organic soil. But I hate being wasteful....and I already have the bags so might as well...
So, in the meantime.....how much EWC/compost is good to add to a bag of Roots?
Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:02 AM
Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:19 AM
Have you ever gone this route yourself? Not with Roots necessarily, but w any pre-made bag soil?
I've seen suggestions that liberal (even over-liberal) amounts of EWC/compost are OK, but yeah, I figure it's maybe better to play it safe in the beginning w the Roots, and add later as a top dressing....which I would have done anyways.
But....if any of you gurus think I should go nuts w it like I've heard before, then lemme know. Right now, I'm rolling w Pinkham's wisdom.....15%....maybe 20%. And Pinkham....I asked this earlier but here goes: that 15-20% EWC is IN ADDITION to my bag of Roots, right? As opposed to taking out 15-20% of Roots and REPLACING that amount w EWC? Yes?
Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:29 AM
Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:58 AM
So are mixing your own soil now? If so, what's your input on the comparison between FF (amended) and 100% organic?
And heck, while we're at it.....you mentioned you did some chemical grows previously. What's your favorite style after having done the two different styles?
I started out with bottled nutes too and gotta admit.....the less bottled nutes I use, the more I like my product.
What's your take on this subject w your experiences?
Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:04 AM
Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:16 AM
Well, that's re-assuring, bro. Glad to hear some reinforcement that I'm on the right path. Congrats as well, in choosing the same way to a nice, happy soul. Shit tastes good, don't it?!?? Lol.
Got a small harvest on Mon from a Roots Soil grow w some mild amendments. Looks great, tho! Keep me posted on your taste test results and I'll post you some pics in a week, or so of my finished greens *puff* *smile* *wave*
Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:20 AM
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