The American Democracy System needs a change.

I do not agree with the usage of electoral colleges. I firmly believe that all public votes should directly effect the issue that is being voted upon. To have the public opinion relayed to the Electoral College, thus allowing other people choose the fate, is not in the best interest of the people.

While the electoral college is supposed to act in direct interest of those who voted for the member, I do not believe this system is allowing for the consent of the general public to truly raise into law.

A lot of things in America need a change..

why should your vote be worth as much as mine?

The authority have too much power.

I think votes coups be done over the internet, we could even have national referendums on laws, or elected officials. Give more power to the people. Although there would need to be some security system in place to monitor over voter fraud.

I always liked what Amadeo Bordiga had to say about democracy

Political freedom and equality, which, according to the theory of liberalism, are expressed in the right to vote, have no meaning except on a basis that excludes inequality of fundamental economic conditions.

I do not agree with the usage of electoral colleges. I firmly believe that all public votes should directly effect the issue that is being voted upon. To have the public opinion relayed to the Electoral College, thus allowing other people choose the fate, is not in the best interest of the people.

While the electoral college is supposed to act in direct interest of those who voted for the member, I do not believe this system is allowing for the consent of the general public to truly raise into law.

It was set in place because the general public is rather stupid. Electoral college keeps the unthinking masses from electing Lil Wayne as president.

I do not agree with the usage of electoral colleges. I firmly believe that all public votes should directly effect the issue that is being voted upon. To have the public opinion relayed to the Electoral College, thus allowing other people choose the fate, is not in the best interest of the people.

While the electoral college is supposed to act in direct interest of those who voted for the member, I do not believe this system is allowing for the consent of the general public to truly raise into law.

What you are suggesting is a direct democracy. Whether you have democracy in general or a direct democracy the majority will oppress the minority.
Collectivisms bad m`kay.

How many times do we have to answer this :rolls eyes:

It was set in place because the general public is rather stupid. Electoral college keeps the unthinking masses from electing Lil Wayne as president.

compared to the other warmongers, one might prefer Lil Wayne - at least when he speaks of killing he's lying about it.

Though if I had to pick a rapper president, it'd obviously go to Immortal Technique. he'd fuck the structure up! even if he has socialist leanings, he has a genuine desire to assist the poor rather than gather power

America was never meant to be a democracy. Democracy is just tyranny of the majority. We must restore the Republic and protect the rights of the individual not give up our rights to the whims of the masses.

America was never meant to be a democracy. Democracy is just tyranny of the majority. We must restore the Republic and protect the rights of the individual not give up our rights to the whims of the masses.

A republic is, in essence, not a monarchy ... you cannot restore something that still exists. Oligarchy is still a republic ... a public matter, not of kings ...

A republic is, in essence, not a monarchy ... you cannot restore something that still exists. Oligarchy is still a republic ... a public matter, not of kings ...

Oligarchy is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. These people could be distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, education, corporate, or military control. Such states are often controlled by a few prominent families who pass their influence from one generation to the next.

A republic is a form of government in which state affairs are considered a "public matter" (Latin: res publica), rather than the private concern of a monarch. Offices of state are subsequently directly or indirectly elected or appointed.[1][2] In modern times, a common simplified definition of a republic is a government where the head of state is not a monarch.[3][4] The word republic is derived from the Latin phrase res publica, which can be translated as "the public affair", and often used to describe a state using this form of government.

you can't really have both.

It's immortally wrong to enforce minority to follow the majority's rule. Even if it's return back to the constitution, it's still immortally wrong to enforce all citizens on the border to follow a paper which written by the men. To be noted, men are born free, that does include every other species on Earth, and possibility beyond. They all have the same natural rights, that is, do not initiate violence upon others by force, aggression, fraud, steal, and/or murder. Otherwise, it has the right to defend itself from aggression. All men are born equal of that power. Furthermore, no man shall have higher power over others unless it was agreed to the terms and condition.

Have any one of us signed the constitution?

-If not, then it does not apply to you. It is only applied to those who agreed and signed the constitution. It's like internet contract, did you agree to the terms and agreement to use this website? If so, the rules only apply to you, and only you. Have you seen websites that enforces other websites to follow their rules of conduct?

-If yes, you still have no right to enforce those who disagree with your ideas and ambitions.

Gov only exist because people feed. Stop feeding to a monopolistic gov and you'll can change the system rather quickly.


TL: DR- Statism kills, bro.

Edited by Grizmoblust, 07 July 2012 - 08:00 PM.

Removing the electoral college is a bad idea. It was put in place so politicians didn't only cater to the big cities but all areas of the country.

Usually if the other candidate gets the popular vote, but doesn't receive the electoral votes needed to win, it isn't by much. Besides, there's only been 4 presidents who didn't win the popular vote but still received the electoral votes needed.

If you want to fix the problem that our system is seeing, you should try changing the stigma associated with discussing politics in public. Besides this should be your first step anyway; what good is direct democracy without anybody to participate?

Edited by bumtildeath, 07 July 2012 - 08:07 PM.

It was set in place because the general public is rather stupid. Electoral college keeps the unthinking masses from electing Lil Wayne as president.

you can't really have both.

The definitions you presented agree with me. Republic is 'not a king's private affair' ... oligarchy can include technocracy, and other large minorities, in which case it is not a king's private affair.

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Democracy doesn't exist.

Well first, you must understand that America's system is not democratic, nor was it designed to be. This is a well-established lie broadcast by the US govt/MSM. We live in a Representative Republic. Just look at the Pledge of Allegiance.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag.....and to the REPUBLIC, for which it stands,"


Secondly, democracy would never work. Even in a perfect Utopian society. At it's root it is the majority enslaving the minority. And you have a government system that thrives on infinite growth, which is impossible on a planet with finite resources. Look at how many new laws and restrictions are passed each year. Why? Because if Congress doesn't write any new laws, it looks like they aren't doing their job. But the US was never designed to have career politicians like we do now. Congressman were supposed to have other jobs during downtime, and come together a few times per year to address budget issues and whatnot. When you have perpetual growth of the law, you have perpetual growth of the prison system, which is ran for profit. Over time, larger percentages of "free" people will become imprisoned, until you reach a point where everyone is in jail except for gov't employees. Which is where we're headed if people don't wake up.

The definitions you presented agree with me. Republic is 'not a king's private affair' ... oligarchy can include technocracy, and other large minorities, in which case it is not a king's private affair.

In an oligarchy, affairs are not public affairs. They are problems in which the ruling class deal with.

Democracy only works if everybody is a drone.