Herm's Doing it Again

ok so im a soil guy that is coming over to the dark side once and for all. i know i came into the green world trying to do the whole hydro thing and failed. i narrowly avoided wasting two of my five WR fems and a few bag seeds. i had one in the soil and about killed the rest with a small 6 site piece from ebay. so i rescued them in soil since that was the only thing i was doing something correctly with.

oh I did forget about the 30 or so failed seedlings in jiffy pucks i killed with too much miracle grow and the two plants i got from someone else that turned out to male before i even started the hydro.



so you heard it here first. Herm's throwing his hat back into the ring and you get to go along for the ride from start to finish on this epic journey we have before us. enjoy, sub and buckle up cuz its going to be a blur.

ok so you may be wondering how far am in into this grow? well the is the starting line. i don't have but a few dollars in my pocket and thats not going to get me started. so let me fill you in on how I somehow ended up growing some phenomenal plants that year.

nearly a pound and a half at 1.38 lbs with only about 11 plants. i started in june 2010 with the first good plants and ended in late november. so in about 6 months i averaged about 2 ounces a plant.

some were more, some were less. but i grew 6 out of the 11 identical in size and produced the same amount of weight each. now all i needed to do was to reproduce that at larger scale. more plants the same way yet better this time with hydro. i can fit the same size plants i grew 6 of in a much tighter space with a aeroponics system.

I'm going to go into details on how i plan to grow and harvest 2-4 pounds dry every 7 days. your going to watch as i build this up from the ground up as i apply for a legal grow license and build my own building for growing.

Now i know I've had some haters on here before that don't like my grow methods so if you are going to state your ideas or critiques which are all welcome, please do it in a kind manner and not like a jerk.

ok so i watched seemorebuds video numero uno about a year ago and thought "wow why am i not growing 15 lbs every 52 days?" so recently when i decided to start growing again, i broke out all my books and vids on growing and started studying. i came across the SMB #1 again and i realized that the guys that were growing 15 lbs every 52 days were really doing it all wrong and still growing 15 lbs every 52 days.

they were using 3 sets of 3(2x4) aqua mist systems each fitting in a 4x6 space. one set had 96 ports, another 300 and i think the last had 200 or something. one produced 4.5 lbs, another 5 lbs and the last 6 lbs.

they didnt do any pruning and just let 100-300 plants all fight for air and light under either 2 x 600w and 1 x 1000w hps or 4 x 600w hps. they ended up losing about 100 plants in the 300 unit, leaving it with only 200 plants in a 4x6 area.

so this is why i see a problem with that math. there are 200 plants and they grow 6 lbs. 6 lbs is 96 ounces. 96 oz are 2,688 grams. so 2,688 grams divided up among 200 plants is 13.44 grams per plant.

13.44 GRAMS PER PLANT???

are you serious? thats measly. so here i am growing 2+ oz a plant not much smaller than the same size they grew but they were only getting 13.44 grams per plant.

so if I do 96 plants in an 3 piece aqua mist system and each plant produces 2 zips, i get 192 zips in 52 days. thats 12 lbs. multiply that by doing the same in two other aqua mists and thats 36 lbs in 52 days. if i plant 32 plants once a week for seven weeks i will harvest 4 lbs every seven days and i can do that 7 times a year because there are 52 weeks in a year and 7 days to each week.
4 x 52 = 208. thats 208 lbs a year.

so from here we start engineering the plan.

ok so heres the deal I'm doing this all legal so this is the drawing board folks. have to start this all on here and "build" from the ground up. i want to build a building to suit. was thinking of using a custom built Morton building http://www.mortonbui...nding-page.aspx

i want to have 4x6 as my standard grow "pod" hole. one grow pod would consist of 3 of the afore mentioned 2x4 aqua mist systems. they can build to please with these so was thinking of having in the least 4 pod sites. one pod with 300 ports and a 600w MH on a tracker for seeds/clones, and the other 3 pods would be 96 ports with 1-2 x 1000w hps on trackers.

what do you guys think?

ok so i know I'm going to need a lot of ventilation and cooling so i think the Morton building should have a basement for fresh cool air and an attic space for exhausting old hot air.

on top of that i want the building positioned so that the roof gets the most sun possible.most people wouldn't want that but I'm going to be outfitting the roof with solar panels. The building will also have a small windmill
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this way I "growing green, while growing green" also will save a ton on electric bills. don't know if you can get the rumored electric company paycheck for back flowing unused energy, but that would truly be "growing green while growing green while growing green".

so now that we have the the blue prints going i want to start out with just the mh pod and one hps pod. more like a proof of concept before i sink anymore money that i don't have yet into something.

what do you guys think i should line the walls with. i want the shell where the pods will fit into to have walls that can get wet so i can sanitize the place with medical standards. I've had great success with mylar before. what is everyone using these days? whats more cost effective with best results?

so how do i plant to pull off 4 lbs every week? i have a way of starting seeds that highly decreases the amount of time it takes to get from seed to sprout under the MH light. using this method i will start several seeds. somewhere between 32 and 64 of a certain strain. as each plant matures at its own pace, some ready within days to be placed into the HPS pod, but won't until a certain size. this will take approx 7 days. as the plants reach the seven day mark the top 3 plants will stay as mothers and then the remaining top 32 plants will go into the first section of pod 1.

i know that I've already said some stuff that will piss a lot of people off. so i apologize now for anything i might say to offend. i am an un orthodox grower if you havent already noticed. so don't hate me because I'm different, hate me because I might end up growing more pot than you. i know clones are the way to go but if i can get seeds in bulk that are femmed, they are going to be pretty much the same size when they go into hps. with the light on trackers from the beginning, the plants should stay more relative in size. this is also why i will be taking mothers so i can use clones too if i want.

so then every seven days you repeat the process of rapidly growing seeds/doing clones and placing them all at the same time in a 32 count HPS. and in about 7 weeks you will be harvesting every 7 days.

please also keep in mind i am going to be pruning aggressively. this is a method i believe in and understand that others don't believe in it. but it works for me and thats what i plan to do and if i find that its not needed i will be the first to admit it.

i want to get the lights with tubes for cooling. found em in 1000w hps for $239.88 hopefully i can get a bulk rate if i buy the 12 i would like to have in the end.

i think it was Arjan who said a pound per plant per 1000w. please correct me if I'm wrong.

so what I'm thinking of doing is using kind of a SOG or SCROG method and want to basically make about 100 colas that when dried add up to 2oz each in 4x6 area. what are you alls thoughts on SOG or SCROG for my project here?

heres the aqua mist system I'm doing 3x3 of http://www.growgenie...ages/aquaI4.jpg

and then 3 of these for the MH light
http://www.growgenie.com/images/I2.JPG

does anyone have a suggestion for exhaust fans? and fans to use with these lights?

1000 WATT HPS GROW LIGHT KIT AIR COOLED COOL TUBE 1000W | eBay

what about doing 4 of these 600w per pod because they are cheaper? Amazon.com: 600w Digital Super HPS Grow Light System with Air Cooled Tube. Best 600 watt hydroponic grow light set. 600w Dimmable Ballast, Super High Pressure Sodium, 6" Air Cooled Tube, yoyo and Timer kit. Only buy from Growlightsdirect, others sell

or would two 1000w hps be cheaper on the power?

any mods see this? i think i posted this in the wrong area. this is a grow journal and should be in one of those i think. thank you for looking.

http://forum.grassci...og-strains.html

this thread is by a friend of mine on here from a while ago. but his design is what I'm interested in. he kinda made a home made version of what i plan to do with rubber made tubs. he got almost 4 lbs

OK, sorry, but WAY to much reading.... LMFAO
What are you looking to do here???

What equipment do you have??
What is your budget for this grow???
What are you looking to get off the grow with above information???

Sounds like you're wanting to do DWC but you're listed in Aeroponics....

haha yea a lot of reading. honestly i don't have any supplies, no known budget yet, and yea i said something to the mods about getting this moved to the correct place.

the only money i have right now is $25k and that is to pay for the $25k grow license fee in my state. so I have to try and build everything on paper before i present this to an investor. i can get the money for supplies no problem. just have to show how the money will be used first.

Ohhhhhhhhh, well what size area are you working with????
And also, what system are you wanting to use???
DWC, RDWC, Ebb&Gro, Ebb&Flo, Aeroponic, or Coco??

ok so i want to buy 12 (2x4) aquamist systems, idk if its DWC or what. def not coco i thought it was hybrid of aero and hydro. I'm a soil guy sorry.

anyways i want bind them 3x3 so it will make four "pods" that will each fit into a 4X6 space. the aquamist system is a just fill with water and leave it alone except for ppm and ph. i want to build my own building using Morton Buildings so i can put solar panels on top in a way so that they get the most sun and i want a windmill or two.

i mean this is a serious operation

ok so i want to buy 12 (2x4) aquamist systems, idk if its DWC or what. def not coco i thought it was hybrid of aero and hydro. I'm a soil guy sorry.

Oh, aquamist systems are Aeroponics so you're good....

anyways i want bind them 3x3 so it will make four "pods" that will each fit into a 4X6 space.

Do what??
You mean fit into a 6x6...

the aquamist system is a just fill with water and leave it alone except for ppm and ph.

Ummmmm, ya.....
Hydroponics as well...

i want to build my own building using Morton Buildings so i can put solar panels on top in a way so that they get the most sun and i want a windmill or two.

Wow, I hope you post all this up for people to see how you did it all....

i mean this is a serious operation

Ya, I've been setting up grow operations for nearly two decades and sounds way over my head..


Keep us posted up on progress!!