Honestly, which gets you higher?

All childish animosity aside, smoking or vaping? I have had a Buddha for a few months and at first, it was great. 1 small bowl of maybe .1-.2 made me so high I couldn't function around people. But after a few months, I find myself smoking much, much more. So my question is this. If I vape .3 or smoke .3, which gets me higher? I personally feel like its smoking

vape it than smoke it

I feel more "stoned" from smoking a bong, but I feel much higher from a vape. I think if you slowly roasted .3 in a pipe/bong/whatever, you'd probably get higher as all the active chemicals would have been released, whereas with a vape you only get the ones that are released below whatever temperature you have your vape set to.
I like to have a vape cone, and then top that off with a mixed joint or a juicy bong. Gets me where I like to be

Vaping gets you way higher than smoking: FACT

Sounds more like a tolerance problem, take a break for a week or 4+ days.
I use a crz, so I use waay less weed than a da buddha will.

I feel more "stoned" from smoking a bong, but I feel much higher from a vape. I think if you slowly roasted .3 in a pipe/bong/whatever, you'd probably get higher as all the active chemicals would have been released, whereas with a vape you only get the ones that are released below whatever temperature you have your vape set to.
I like to have a vape cone, and then top that off with a mixed joint or a juicy bong. Gets me where I like to be

Higher temp on vape = more couch lock

It can also depend if you have a heavy hitter vape. Hits you better than a bong.

All childish animosity aside, smoking or vaping? I have had a Buddha for a few months and at first, it was great. 1 small bowl of maybe .1-.2 made me so high I couldn't function around people. But after a few months, I find myself smoking much, much more. So my question is this. If I vape .3 or smoke .3, which gets me higher? I personally feel like its smoking

Sounds like you may need to adjust and increase your average vape temperature, so you don't take in too much THC, before taking in adequate amounts of CBN and CBG.


Could your heating element be wearing out? There's a chance that it's producing lower temperatures at any given setting now, after some use, than when you first bought it.



The below I shared in a similar thread, it may help explain things a bit...


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As THC degrades, due to aging or gentle heat exposure, it converts to the more sedative and temperature resistant CBN, also increasing the ratio of available CBG to remaining THC (which (CBG) also has a very high flashpoint, and is also in part responsible for sleep/couch-lock/sedation).



CBN and CBG produce analgesic and sedative effects, and along with certain terpenes, help to regulate the experience provided by THC.



But the point being, unlike terpenes, they only vape when the temperature has far surpassed the vapor point for THC.



From the: Simple Method: Isolating & Extracting INDIVIDUAL Cannabinoids... from BadKittySmiles




Classic Volcano Dial 'rough' Temperature Settings:


1 - 130° C / 266° F

2 - 142° C / 288° F

3 - 154° C / 309° F

4 - 166° C / 331° F

5 - 178° C / 352° F

6 - 190° C / 374° F

7 - 202° C / 396° F

8 - 214° C / 417° F

9 - 226° C / 439° F





Cannabinoid Flashpoints:


tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV)
Flash Point: 137.6 °C (279.68 °F)

delta-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-8-THC)
Flash Point: 144.5 °C (292.10 °F)

delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
Flash Point: 149.3 °C (300.74 °F)

cannabichromene (CBC)
Flash Point: 174.2 °C (345.56 °F)

cannabidiol (CBD)
Flash Point: 206.3 °C (403.34 °F)

cannabigerol (CBG)
Flash Point: 207.2 °C (404.96 °F)

cannabinol (CBN)
Flash Point: 212.7 °C (414.86 °F)





" Volc.... THC..CBN..CBD

6.0 - 260 / 0.05 / 0.6

7.5 - 245 / 0.05 / 0.6

9.0 - 75 / 0.05 / 0.15




The last of the above figures, details the mg/g remaining in freshly dried herb, vaped at each setting, after filling I believe four bags.


Notice how the THC drops dramatically between settings 6 and 9, but the CBD only begins dropping after being vaped at 9, and the CBN remains even still...



- The rate and ratio at which your body receives individual/unique cannabinoids, is just as, if not MORE important than being sure you vape the entire contents... -



In other words, you may have a better experience when inhaling fewer active chemicals, if they are delivered in conjunction, rather than working your way up from a lower temperature, inhaling a greater quantity, at an altered or a skewed ratio, first the THCV, THC, and CBC, then finally the CBD, CBG and CBN.


CBD (cannabidiol) is the cannabinoid many people and patients are after for the medicinal benefits it can provide without altering sensation, although it has been shown to aid in sleep, but the CBN is even more temperature resistent, and combined with the similarly heat-resistant CBG, they are repsonsible for much of the narcotic, dopey, sleepy, couch-locked sensation many recreational users are looking for, and many patients seek for better sleep and pain-management.



- Taken alone, these chemicals (particularly CBN & CBG) can be very sedative and relaxing.

- Taken in conjunction with THC, they can mediate the experience, and provide less anxiety.


- But when you get your brain 'jacked up' ( ) on near-pure THC, before exposure to those more sedating cannabinoids, your experience will not be remotely as calming.




According to most potency analysis/labs, at the point of combustion, a minimum of 40+% of the potency contained in your herb is outright destroyed depending on the temperatures used, even more when using intense heat sources (a wick or overheated wand will destroy less than a bic, for instance), leaving behind not even the byproducts of degradation... the remainder is made up of both active cannabinoids, including THC, and their degraded byproducts. Vaping destroys only a minimum of 15% of potency in the process, more as you reach combustion temperatures.



But again, destroyed or not, where the desired outcome is concerned, if the active chemicals are not reaching your bloodstream in the right ratios, and if they are not activating receptors 'harmoniously', they won't provide the sensations you're looking for, and most people from patients to recreational users will have a different desired outcome... so to each his own.


But still, so long as it's capable of reaching adequate temperatures, with a little more experimenting you should be able to find a setting that works a bit better with your vape.




Sorry for the long post! Hope this helps

I think the efficiency of vaping vs smoking is so damn close that it depends both on the user and the tolerance of said user haha. If you are the type of smoker who would rather chill, sesh it up with the vape and get high over a longer period, then a vape is perfect for you. If you would rather take a fattie bong rip and have it smack you across the dome, then smoking is definitely for you. As i said, i think the biggest factor is the user in the debate of "which gets you higher". I have friends who swear by the vape for both efficiency of nug and the amount of high it can deliver, but personally, once you go wax you cant go back, so I can't even physically vape bowls fast enough to feel anything... The high a vape delivers is different than the high from smoking, because when you burn the plant matter it releases more than just THC, things like CBD as well as the plant matter itself affect your high in unpredictable ways. Also, believe it or not, all of our brains are hardwired differently, and thusly will react differently to THC and the accompanying particles. So, do what makes you happy and don't let anyone tell you otherwise - interesting how little things like "smoke vs vape" somehow tie into the big picture...

-Byrned

Edit: Haha BadKittySmiles beat me to it, and he brought some facts with him so check that shit out

Edited by byrned420, 18 June 2012 - 05:20 AM.

Vaping gets me far higher, and logically everyone else too....it simply has far more actives. Combustion destroys a huge portion of actives that you'll just never get. It seems like a waste of weed to me now. .2g through a bong feels like nothing whereas .2 from a vape gets me absolutely blasted.

Vapes also get FAR more CBD/CBN than smoking can.

Depends on what you're smoking. Big difference between dabs and just a bowl. Tolerance goes up a little faster smoking, you waste more, and the high doesn't last as long. I'd say vaping.

Vaping gets you higher, smoking gets your more "stony".

Vaping gets you higher, smoking gets your more "stony".

Its called carbon monoxide lol

If i vape at 420 on my EQ its more stoney than smoking and im higher

Vape bonging definitely gets me higher than just regular bong hits. I usually switch back and forth between smoking and vaping though. If I have a lot of time and want to chill I pull out the vape but if I have a bunch of people over or just want to take some quick hits before I run out the door I use the bong.

Vape bonging definitely gets me higher than just regular bong hits. I usually switch back and forth between smoking and vaping though. If I have a lot of time and want to chill I pull out the vape but if I have a bunch of people over or just want to take some quick hits before I run out the door I use the bong.

Thats how i was but i have an mflb too. Use that for quickies now.

I have an mflb too, it just collects dust now >.> lol

Mine did too till i got powerex batteries. Now i love it again

My feeling is that smoking imparts a more complete taste/high.

I have a glass cigarette that holds about a BB-sized piece of weed. I smoke 3-4 hits from it and I'm good. I love the taste of smoking various "flavors" of dispensary weed this way -especially when I'm trying a new strain for the first time.

Because the vaporizer works at various temperatures, you can "peel" cannabinoids away from the weed like peeling an onion -a layer at a time. One temperature setting will vaporize THC and another will vaporize cannabidiol, cannabinol...etc. The idea being to not ignite the weed and create particulate carbon pollution from the ensuing ash. Also, because of this peeling nature of vaporization, users get a more specific effect. But, in a way, it's like taking a taco and separating the lettuce and tomato and meat and cheese into their own pile and then eating each component-part, one-at-a-time -except leaving out the cheese...or the tomato...or some ingredient that might not be as good for you as the other ingredients. Smoking is like saying, Fuck it...I'm eating the whole taco!"

Combustion (lit properly) will give you the whole shebang at once -the drawback being that the smoke will have ash in it. But, when filtered through a water pipe such as a bong, a BIG portion of particulate matter is removed. That's why glass bongs get dirty so quickly -They are catching a lot that "stuff" before it ever gets to you. Unfortunately, I ilke the taste from my glass cigarette which has NO filtration. But I use such a small amount, I can't imagine it would amount to as much pollution as what I inhale whenever I'm stuck on the interstate in rush hour traffic.

Bongs filter probably a lot less than you think. And as far as taste goes, vaporizers can't be beat.

interesting analogy, but the problem with combustion is that the temperature rises so fast and to such extremes, a lot of plant material is actually wasted, so it is the worst not only for health reasons but also efficiency.

There's no denying the merits of combustion though, for me its mainly convenience. i still roll a j from time to time, but i think i've pretty much retired my bong, im tired of coughing up disgusting mucus from time to time. and i only really started smoking heavily on glass for just a year.

interesting analogy, but the problem with combustion is that the temperature rises so fast and to such extremes, a lot of plant material is actually wasted, so it is the worst not only for health reasons but also efficiency.

There's no denying the merits of combustion though, for me its mainly convenience. i still roll a j from time to time, but i think i've pretty much retired my bong, im tired of coughing up disgusting mucus from time to time. and i only really started smoking heavily on glass for just a year.

It has been said a million times but you missed them I guess.
Vapor-Bonging.
Also to me when you pull vapor especially through water you loose a good amount of cannabinoids
I notice this because I will go through much more for the desired effects.(and not because I waste my hits by blowing them straight out, I hold every vapor hit in as long as its comfortable)