How did monkeys outlive Neanderthals?

Rather simple question surrounding evolution, why and how did chimps and other primates outlive our ancestors the Neanderthals?


There would've required hundreds of thousands of species to transition from ape to man to account for the ton of differences between us and one of our closer cousins the chimp, so why has not one of our ancestors outlived the more 'primitive' primates?

You would think neanderthals would long outlive chimps due to their higher intelligence, speech capability and strong use of tools. So why aren't any around today, yet chimps and all the alike still flourish?

They're only related in the sense that they have a common ancestor. You might as well ask why horseshoe crabs have outlived Neanderthals. Neanderthals existed for more than 250 thousand years, a longer time period than we have.

Rather simple question surrounding evolution, why and how did chimps and other primates outlive our ancestors the Neanderthals?


There would've required hundreds of thousands of species to transition from ape to man to account for the ton of differences between us and one of our closer cousins the chimp, so why has not one of our ancestors outlived the more 'primitive' primates?

You would think neanderthals would long outlive chimps due to their higher intelligence, speech capability and strong use of tools. So why aren't any around today, yet chimps and all the alike still flourish?

When it comes to evolution, the most direct ancestor typically takes the hit, not so much with the one further down the line. A species evolves to better survive, usually pretty close to their ancestor and the strong come out on top.

With us, once our primate ancestors gained the ability to walk upright and build shelter, they left the forest. Our ancestral cousins stayed in the forest.

There wouldn't have had to be hundreds of thousands of different species, just one that evolved. Neanderthals were in our family line. When a trait came about that allowed them to better survive (adaptation), it would become more pronounced in the gene pool and eventually those without said trait would be weeded out.

Another adaption would appear, then another, and another, etc. Evolution.. of one species.

Evolution is always happening, in many different stages at once. All life started as single celled organisms (or you could even say amino acids, depends on how far you want to take it) in the oceans, yet it's not like there aren't any single celled organisms still in the ocean.

Humans came from primates, but there are still primates. Primates came from other mammals, but there are still mammals similar to those. They came from reptiles, and there are still reptiles. Who came from amphibians, and so on and so on.

Didn't read your entire post, but since you're alive, I'd say neanderthals still exist!

When it comes to evolution, the most direct ancestor typically takes the hit, not so much with the one further down the line. A species evolves to better survive, usually pretty close to their ancestor and the strong come out on top.

So what do we have that neanderthals didn't that made them all die out? It seems if they were anything near man they'd be able to tough out alot of things. Climate change, they'd have shelter and clothes and such.. So why did they die out, yet we lived on?

With us, once our primate ancestors gained the ability to walk upright and build shelter, they left the forest. Our ancestral cousins stayed in the forest.

I don't get why that'd kill off anything between us and monkeys though?

Why aren't there any monkeys that worship or play music, build shelter and use sophisticated tools?

There wouldn't have had to be hundreds of thousands of different species, just one that evolved. Neanderthals were in our family line. When a trait came about that allowed them to better survive (adaptation), it would become more pronounced in the gene pool and eventually those without said trait would be weeded out.

There are literally millions of differences in comparison from humans and chimp. There would had to have tons of intermediate species to make up for the ~100 million differences in the base pairs of our DNA and chimp's relatives.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if you change more than like 6 codons, or maybe even base pairs at a time (been a while since I read the article) it's fatal to the organism.

Evolution is always happening, in many different stages at once. All life started as single celled organisms (or you could even say amino acids, depends on how far you want to take it) in the oceans, yet it's not like there aren't any single celled organisms still in the ocean.

Humans came from primates, but there are still primates. Primates came from other mammals, but there are still mammals similar to those. They came from reptiles, and there are still reptiles. Who came from amphibians, and so on and so on.

So if there were numerous species under the lineage from apes to us, why did they all die out? You'd think there would still be atleast some left if we survived?

From what I've read neanderthals practically were human, and if dressed in modern clothes wouldn't be distinguishable from a crowd of modern man.


And if evolution is constantly occurring, why is it that humans haven't evolved into a new species? Out of the 7 billion people on Earth, even the ones separated from the outside world in little tribes, all are Still are 100% human and can interbreed?

Wouldn't the ones separated from the rest of us have evolved to fit their environment, especially compared to civilized humans?

So what do we have that neanderthals didn't that made them all die out? It seems if they were anything near man they'd be able to tough out alot of things. Climate change, they'd have shelter and clothes and such.. So why did they die out, yet we lived on?

Increased intelligence more than likely. Through evolution, we got a great gift, our hands. Once we learned that we can make our hands do exactly what we're thinking, the more intelligent were better suited to survive. Not only that, with the way human nature is, and nature in general, we probably actively killed them off.

Why aren't there any monkeys that worship or play music, build shelter and use sophisticated tools?

They don't worship because religion is a man made thing. Not trying to turn this into a religious debate, so I'll leave it at that. As for the other stuff, intelligence in a species comes from it's experience. The more it experiences, the more intelligent it becomes. They pretty much stay to the forests and areas that not many humans live. If they did come into our areas, they'd probably be killed. They were relatives who stayed in the trees for the most part. And there are some smart primates out there who use tools. Ones that use a twig to gather bugs from inside a tree, minor stuff. There's only so much to experience for them. As for music, how do you know they're not getting enjoyment from hooting and hollering at each other? I'm sure many species make sounds and calls that could be considered "music" to their species.

There are literally millions of differences in comparison from humans and chimp. There would had to have tons of intermediate species to make up for the ~100 million differences in the base pairs of our DNA and chimp's relatives.

Think of those ~100 million differences as ~100 million adaptations or changes in our evolutionary line.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if you change more than like 6 codons, or maybe even base pairs at a time (been a while since I read the article) it's fatal to the organism.

Can't correct you on what I don't know.

So if there were numerous species under the lineage from apes to us, why did they all die out? You'd think there would still be atleast some left if we survived?

Us surviving wasn't very beneficial to their health..

From what I've read neanderthals practically were human, and if dressed in modern clothes wouldn't be distinguishable from a crowd of modern man.

Ever see someone who looked like a caveman? I have. It's still in our DNA, from our past.

And if evolution is constantly occurring, why is it that humans haven't evolved into a new species? Out of the 7 billion people on Earth, even the ones separated from the outside world in little tribes, all are Still are 100% human and can interbreed?

Not much has changed for our bodies much, do to our intelligence. That doesn't mean we're not evolving. We're getting more and more intelligent. We use that intelligence and our hands to do whatever the fuck we want. We don't have to evolve things like claws and wings, we just build the shit.

Wouldn't the ones separated from the rest of us have evolved to fit their environment, especially compared to civilized humans?

Not if they were trying to survive in the same environment.. Those further along the evolutionary line had the upper hand and came out on top.

Monkeys live in a different niche than humans and Neanderthals.

They kept their niche while we beat/merged with the Neanderthals for ours.

Rather simple question surrounding evolution, why and how did chimps and other primates outlive our ancestors the Neanderthals?


There would've required hundreds of thousands of species to transition from ape to man to account for the ton of differences between us and one of our closer cousins the chimp, so why has not one of our ancestors outlived the more 'primitive' primates?

You would think neanderthals would long outlive chimps due to their higher intelligence, speech capability and strong use of tools. So why aren't any around today, yet chimps and all the alike still flourish?

Because the Neanderthals had a similar niche to us and had to compete. The chimps, living in trees and in more forest/jungle environments, didn't so much have to compete with us. Also, Neanderthals didn't have the ability to communicate as we do, so tribes were harder to support (which is the only reason we survived this dangerous world as naked monkeys). Different traits make an organism more well adapted to different environmental niches. Take a chimpanzee from a baby and teach him the same niche as an early human, he'll be fucked.

EDIT:: Also D_R, we ARE evolving. Ever notice different races? I'm pretty sure my white skin is an evolutionary change to the environment of my ancestors, considering humans came from Africa. Also, we have, on average, a taller height than many H. Sapiens of the past. Overall though, you forget that evolution takes MILLIONS of generations. Also, modern medicine pretty much halts the process of natural selection, making evolution an even slower process. Knowing our goddamn stupid species, we will drive ourselves extinct before natural speciation occurs again.

Edited by ISnuff, 09 June 2012 - 03:50 PM.

Neanderthals live today in all of us. We carry a small percentage of their DNA and it made our immune systems stronger.

Neanderthals live today in all of us. We carry a small percentage of their DNA and it made our immune systems stronger.

Imagine a fuckin bigass caveman Neanderthal goin at it with a somewhat newly evolved Homo Sapiens bitch. I bet she was screamin like a whore lol. Dirty, dirty animal fucker...but at least we got some evolutionary diversity from it all.

imagine a fuckin bigass caveman neanderthal goin at it with a somewhat newly evolved homo sapiens bitch. I bet she was screamin like a whore lol. Dirty, dirty animal fucker...but at least we got some evolutionary diversity from it all.

hahahahahhah

Neanderthals interbred with humans. When the neanderthal genome was mapped two years ago, humans were tested around the world and it was discovered that people in northeastern asia/russia had bred with neanderthals as they had traces of newnderthal genes in their dna.

Neanderthals 'bred with early humans' - Science - News - The Independent

http://www.nytimes.c...rthal.html?_r=2

http://www.guardian....-human-immunity

http://www.dailymail...ay-experts.html

http://www.telegraph...anderthals.html

Now as to why monkeys survived, probably because they lived in trees, ate fruit, and didn't hunt. Hunting alone is a dangerous thing, as broken bones meant death for many. At the same time, the neanderthal hunted where homosapiens hunted, which means had they interfered, we'd wipe them out, steal their women and interbreed.

Another reason is because the neanderthals needed to eat as much food or more than a modern guerilla and during an ice age where food was scarce, they wouldnt have a chance, especially if they were cannibalized by modern humans. While they were brutish in size, theyd be less successful at hand to hand combat as they were not able to keep up with a human, due to stubby legs, long arms, and a need to eat a lot just to maintain energy levels.

When any species has competed with mankind for resources, theyve always been wiped off the earth.

Edited by pokesmot247, 09 June 2012 - 05:38 PM.

Neanderthals were specialized hominids. They did not have the mental capacity that homo sapiens has. They were intelligent, but only about as smart as OP. So naturally they didn't fare as well.

They died out because modern humans hunted mammoths to extinction, which were the staple diet of the neanderthals. They did not have our ingenuity, we had bows and arrows, all they had were crude spearheads. If they had the intelligence of a modern human, they'd be ruling right now. =)

Isn't hypothesized that humans were the direct cause for the extinction of Neanderthals?

Rather simple question surrounding evolution, why and how did chimps and other primates outlive our ancestors the Neanderthals?

There would've required hundreds of thousands of species to transition from ape to man to account for the ton of differences between us and one of our closer cousins the chimp, so why has not one of our ancestors outlived the more 'primitive' primates?

You would think neanderthals would long outlive chimps due to their higher intelligence, speech capability and strong use of tools. So why aren't any around today, yet chimps and all the alike still flourish?

People did not evolve from primates.....

Rather simple question surrounding evolution, why and how did chimps and other primates outlive our ancestors the Neanderthals?


There would've required hundreds of thousands of species to transition from ape to man to account for the ton of differences between us and one of our closer cousins the chimp, so why has not one of our ancestors outlived the more 'primitive' primates?

You would think neanderthals would long outlive chimps due to their higher intelligence, speech capability and strong use of tools. So why aren't any around today, yet chimps and all the alike still flourish?

And I'm sure they're aware they have a strong will to survive (like us),But minus the Damn society and buildings,technology,And food that dosen't come out of a factory,Their in Nature 24/7 365,So its only fair they stick around,I bet they're in more tune with Earth than a majority of Humans.....I want to try and stick Joe Rogans "Stoned ape theory" in there somewhere (there we go),Theses guys are so close to being human like (its ridiculous),Only if there were an intellengt species to inbred DNA with these guys DNA.....Whalahhh!!

Kinda makes me think how we (humans) were created,Lol im pretty high myself.

monkeys stay in the forests in the trees. they did not compete with humans.

Neanderthals evolved into humans. They probably lived near or around each other at one point. Humans could be responsible for the extinction of the neanderthals.

For instance its generally said people are getting taller than they were even 2000 years ago. We are also getting smarter. You could even consider races different branches of evolution of man.

We are evolving before our very eyes.

monkeys stay in the forests in the trees. they did not compete with humans.

Neanderthals evolved into humans. They probably lived near or around each other at one point. Humans could be responsible for the extinction of the neanderthals.

For instance its generally said people are getting taller than they were even 2000 years ago. We are also getting smarter. You could even consider races different branches of evolution of man.

We are evolving before our very eyes.

That is incorrect. Humans and neanderthals share a common ancestor, however we most definitely did NOT evolve from them.

That's like saying Dogs evolved from bears, both share a common ancestor, and both are caniform carnivorans, however they do not share direct lineage.

Homo Sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis are both hominids in nearly the same fashion. both are primates, and both are hominids, but we do not share direct lineage.

Evolution is vastly misunderstood by many. It is not a ladder, but a tree.

If you'd like to learn more about evolution, I suggest going to youtube and visiting AronRa's channel, he's very knowledgeable about evolution, and has a series called "Falsifying Phylogeny", check it out!

Also, Neanderthals didn't have the ability to communicate as we do, so tribes were harder to support (which is the only reason we survived this dangerous world as naked monkeys).

Actually it's said Neanderthals had the hyoid bone allowing them to speak just like us.

How the Hyoid Bone Changed History | LiveScience

That is incorrect. Humans and neanderthals share a common ancestor, however we most definitely did NOT evolve from them.

Homo Sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis are both hominids in nearly the same fashion. both are primates, and both are hominids, but we do not share direct lineage.

Evolution is vastly misunderstood by many. It is not a ladder, but a tree.

So then if humans aren't directly from neanderthals, why was there such a competition that wiped them all out?



As Mantikore said- "When it comes to evolution, the most direct ancestor typically takes the hit, not so much with the one further down the line. A species evolves to better survive, usually pretty close to their ancestor and the strong come out on top."

I doubt there were so many humans back then that neanderthals couldn't find a place to avoid humans from.

And what exactly do humans have that neanderthals didn't?

If humans and neanderthals could interbreed, they had to have been practically the same exact creature. What makes people believe they had lower intelligence? They had tools and music, buried their dead and so on..

So then if humans aren't directly from neanderthals, why was there such a competition that wiped them all out?

Because we invaded and wiped out the mammoth and irish elk, the main food source of neanderthals, as well as directly attacked and drove them out of their prime territory.

They couldn't just flee and make a new living, they didn't have the brainpower that H. Sapiens possessed. They did not farm or gather nuts and fruits. Essentially, they had the intellect of a 6-7-year old at adult age.

No further questions of yours will be answered by me.

Edited by smokehound, 09 June 2012 - 11:35 PM.