Med- MJ> & WHY I fear you will ruin it for ALL.

I am SOOOO sick of med-card holders parading around bragging about the positive environment MMJ has created-

Do you not realize that regulation and licencing of users is THE WORST possible direction?

Look at the new creations of ZERO THC strains with pure CBD.

The government is NOT listening to suggestions- and moderating their position of weed- THEY ARE HANDING OUT LICENCES (under the AGREED purpose of- 'medicinal' NOT receational) then they will simply begin prosecuting people who BELIEVE they are following the law.


Does the FINAL straw REALLY have to be the day when everyone is handed a pill called -'marihanna' (that the chemical companies SAY performs all the medical functions of weed) and use of ANY type of recreational high is enforced with military protection.

I am so sick of watching BS propaganda where some hippy-retard who lives a life beyond the dangers of what low-income people deal with about drug culture- DEMONIZE recreational highs- as he snickers about how he is 'tricking' the system using his magical medical weed with his licence.

Everytime those weed dispensary RETARDS look down their hipster glasses at someone for getting recreationally high- saying "they are ruining it for the rest of us by giving the media a bad impression of users" . . .. IT MAKES ME WANT TO SCREAM.

YOU ARE NOT the beacon of hope for the 'culture' you are the CORPORATE SHILL being used as THE excuse for why ALL natural marijuanna will be ELIMINATED.

EVERYtime you brag to the government licensing body- about how responsibly you represent the community- realize- YOU ARE THE REASON pills with DANGEROUS side affects- are going to replace and destroy natural weed.

Enjoy being a corporate shill.

I would suggest lowering your caffeine intake and beginning a regimental of meditation. That might help you with your rage issues.

i dont drink caffeine-

Kid, chill out!

We are NOT getting 20 YEARS in prison for 2 roaches like we did in 1968! (Tim Leary)

Medical use will show folks that the sky does NOT fall if folks are using cannabis.

I believe that the range of ailments that we are allowed to treat with cannabis will continue to grow as medical evidence mounts. Take a look at my List and see what cannabis can do! Alzheimer's, MS, migraines, diabetes, breast, prostate, lung and brain cancers, atherosclerosis, Mad Cow Disease, intractable hiccups, arthritis, fibro and more.

When the average Joe learns what cannabis can do medically, we WILL get legal marijuana without restrictions- or have a revolution!

Our country has had one civil war and it all but destroyed the country- and that one was divided by territory. I don't think our government will risk a 2nd civil war where the "enemy" is evenly scattered through out the population!

Also, the "Ganja Genie" is out of the bottle! Seeds and clones are everywhere! California will secede from the union before giving up cannabis- it is just too important for our economy! I think Oregon and Washington would leave, too! 34% of the states + DC have legal medical use- it is not that far to 50% + DC!

Your views are divisive! We all need to work together! Med and Rec users need to work side by side to get cannabis legal for all!

All cannabis use is medical use, whether YOU realize it or not! The medical benefits don't go away because the user is doing it for a giggle!

That cancer cell will be told to die, that inflammation will be soothed, or that migraine will be prevented- no matter what reason you are using marijuana!

Medical use will accustom the general public to cannabis use. Educating them on what cannabis can do medically, will increase the demand for full legalization!

And your fears of a pill replacing cannabis are unfounded! Part of the reason cannabis is useful against such a wide variety of ailments is that each strain has a different chemical profile - which fits that particular ailment!

Just as one strain does not fit all, one pill would be useful to only a fraction of patients. ! They would have to create thousands of variations on their pill to match what natural cannabis does!

We already have the strains!

Once the medical facts about cannabis are known, the need for legalization becomes obvious!


Granny

I am SOOOO sick of med-card holders parading around bragging about the positive environment MMJ has created-

Do you not realize that regulation and licencing of users is THE WORST possible direction?

Look at the new creations of ZERO THC strains with pure CBD.

The government is NOT listening to suggestions- and moderating their position of weed- THEY ARE HANDING OUT LICENCES (under the AGREED purpose of- 'medicinal' NOT receational) then they will simply begin prosecuting people who BELIEVE they are following the law.


Does the FINAL straw REALLY have to be the day when everyone is handed a pill called -'marihanna' (that the chemical companies SAY performs all the medical functions of weed) and use of ANY type of recreational high is enforced with military protection.

I am so sick of watching BS propaganda where some hippy-retard who lives a life beyond the dangers of what low-income people deal with about drug culture- DEMONIZE recreational highs- as he snickers about how he is 'tricking' the system using his magical medical weed with his licence.

Everytime those weed dispensary RETARDS look down their hipster glasses at someone for getting recreationally high- saying "they are ruining it for the rest of us by giving the media a bad impression of users" . . .. IT MAKES ME WANT TO SCREAM.

YOU ARE NOT the beacon of hope for the 'culture' you are the CORPORATE SHILL being used as THE excuse for why ALL natural marijuanna will be ELIMINATED.

EVERYtime you brag to the government licensing body- about how responsibly you represent the community- realize- YOU ARE THE REASON pills with DANGEROUS side affects- are going to replace and destroy natural weed.

Enjoy being a corporate shill.

Some states don't actually require you to have anything but a yearly doctors recommendation... no card.... no state ID, or license. If you get pulled over on your way home from the clinic, you show your laminated recommendation/referral, and on your way you go.


So there's that.


Secondly, it's a damn good thing they are finally isolating and breeding strains with high CBD, and little to no THC: some patients NEED this DESPERATELY.. and at the moment? It's impossible to find in most places!


And it's not like they've released the zombie virus equivalent for anti-THC, and it's going to ruin all the plants currently in circulation.

It took hundreds, if not thousands of years if we include inexperienced, to controlled and selective breeding, to get where we are now, and not all of the breeding was exactly done legally.



High THC strains will still, and always exist, and if anything, higher content strains than are reliably available now will continue to become more prominent, right along side the 'newly emerging' (or not so much ) CBD dominant strains.




And not everyone in the professional medical community frowns upon recreational use... I sure don't!


I like a nice tall drink every now and then, too.


But it's still nice to know that even my 'fun bud' is doing something good for me



So, I guess I'm saying, the point here you were trying to make, was.... somehow, what these folks are doing, medicinally, is not helping the overall cannabis movement as much, as sitting home smoking herb recreationally, in the dark, where no one can see, and where no progress will be made?


Then how come things have become so relaxed, in the media, the government, and socially, since this whole 'medical scene' came around. The availability of seeds, clones and new strains, the grow shops opening in even non-medical states...



I agree, not everyone behaves tastefully or tactfully... but that can be said of any community, or family.



So chin up, it's not all bad.

Edited by BadKittySmiles, 03 June 2012 - 04:04 PM.

We DO need to work together- which is why i CANNOT stand the dispensary/MMJ patient perspective/view of standing HALFWAY between the culture and the government- Yelling at users saying "ONLY use it for the Medical benefits! its the only way to be accepted"

Im just a little tired of this VAGUE grey area where SOME medical uses are accepted- ESPECIALLY since SOO many people seem to ignore the ways its being used to track patient registry to RAID houses to destroy someones life over having 6plants- if the licence allowed 5. Or claiming you are a dealer- for having 'evidence' that you shared bud . . .

The new GOV position on medical MJ is NOTHING good- its very-very bad for the culture.
And the medical MJ patients who stand in the no-mans land between the culture and the GOV are THE worst.

People were FAAAAR more likely to accept the benefits of Medical MJ BEFORE we produced zero thc/ high CBD strains. Now all we have are industry-produced chemicals the GOV endorses as being 'safe' for medical use. WHILE AT THE SAME TIME both the GOV and the dispensaries DEMONIZE ACTUAL MJ!.

And as the dispensary SHILLS and the government propagandists put out DOZENS of shows and news reports where they PRAISE the benefits of medical weed- WHILE STILL PROSECUTING MED USERS AND WEED SMOKERS- claiming that JUST LIKE OXY OR METH it has to be regulated because of its DANGER. . . . THATs 1 step away from giving everyone pills- and treating any non-pill weed like heroin.

If weed has benefits- stand on the correct side- the side that praises its benefits.
> DO NOT be a corporate shill that says- `THESE types of weeds- used for THESE disorders are good` . .. . but all those OTHER users are smoking DANGEROUS stuff in RECKLESS ways.

WHEN YOU STAND THE MIDDLE-GROUND between the culture and the GOV- you are merely the one trumpeting the death of weed. And the birth of gov- produced chem-highs . . . which will give the GOV (since the propaganda says the chem-high is 'medicine' and 'just as good') the excuse its been looking for to prosecute and erradicate whats left of the culture.


[@badkittysmiles- 'So, I guess I'm saying, the point here you were trying to make, was.... somehow, what these folks are doing, medicinally, is not helping the overall cannabis movement as much, as sitting home smoking herb recreationally, in the dark, at home, where no one can see, and where no progress will be made? ' > no- thats not my view- i agree sitting at home smoking silently does nothing for anyone- i just disagree with the "this is med weed- for med uses' and trying to use THAT perspective (rather than simply praising the benefits) to claw for progress from the GOVS middle ground)

+yes i realize this is not the perspective/opinion of ALL- just some MMJ communities

Edited by johnnyCage, 03 June 2012 - 04:21 PM.
answer

We DO need to work together- which is why i CANNOT stand the dispensary/MMJ patient perspective/view of standing HALFWAY between the culture and the government- Yelling at users saying "ONLY use it for the Medical benefits! its the only way to be accepted"

Im just a little tired of this VAGUE grey area where SOME medical uses are accepted- ESPECIALLY since SOO many people seem to ignore the ways its being used to track patient registry to RAID houses to destroy someones life over having 6plants- if the licence allowed 5. Or claiming you are a dealer- for having 'evidence' that you shared bud . . .

The new GOV position on medical MJ is NOTHING good- its very-very bad for the culture.
And the medical MJ patients who stand in the no-mans land between the culture and the GOV are THE worst.

People were FAAAAR more likely to accept the benefits of Medical MJ BEFORE we produced zero thc/ high CBD strains. Now all we have are industry-produced chemicals the GOV endorses as being 'safe' for medical use. WHILE AT THE SAME TIME both the GOV and the dispensaries DEMONIZE ACTUAL MJ!.

And as the dispensary SHILLS and the government propagandists put out DOZENS of shows and news reports where they PRAISE the benefits of medical weed- WHILE STILL PROSECUTING MED USERS AND WEED SMOKERS- claiming that JUST LIKE OXY OR METH it has to be regulated because of its DANGER. . . . THATs 1 step away from giving everyone pills- and treating any non-pill weed like heroin.

If weed has benefits- stand on the correct side- the side that praises its benefits.
> DO NOT be a corporate shill that says- `THESE types of weeds- used for THESE disorders are good` . .. . but all those OTHER users are smoking DANGEROUS stuff in RECKLESS ways.

WHEN YOU STAND THE MIDDLE-GROUND between the culture and the GOV- you are merely the one trumpeting the death of weed. And the birth of gov- produced chem-highs . . . which will give the GOV (since the propaganda says the chem-high is 'medicine' and 'just as good') the excuse its been looking for to prosecute and erradicate whats left of the culture.


[@badkittysmiles- 'So, I guess I'm saying, the point here you were trying to make, was.... somehow, what these folks are doing, medicinally, is not helping the overall cannabis movement as much, as sitting home smoking herb recreationally, in the dark, at home, where no one can see, and where no progress will be made? ' > no- thats not my view- i agree sitting at home smoking silently does nothing for anyone- i just disagree with the "this is med weed- for med uses' and trying to use THAT perspective (rather than simply praising the benefits) to claw for progress from the GOVS middle ground)

You seem to be motivated, so let's hear your ideas, and what you've done so far!


How are you getting your own community involved for the recreational movement, or if you have not done so yet, what are your plans?
And are you working with your local government officials, and politicians, and posing any of your thoughts to them?



I will say this though; you still have the wrong idea about the medical community as a whole.

Again, only a teeny, tiny fraction of people involved with the professional community behave and feel the way you suggest they do, and even the few who do and make a big show of it, some of them are trying to cover their butts (and their own 'illegal endeavors' ).

I think you're way off on the CBD strains - way off. First, the gov doesn't endorse the good plant for anything that I know of, especially medical circumstances. Second, and just my humble opinion, CBD is every bit as important as THC in MMJ products - there's a myriad of combinations of the two along with the other cannabanoids. It's a drug store in a plant. If there's something to be mad about, it's that most dispensaries aren't carrying any meds with CBD>THC and it's pretty obvious why - they aren't going to get you stoned.

"First, the gov doesn't endorse the good plant for anything that I know of, especially medical circumstances">
what do you mean by that?

What I don't get is how a Schedule 1 drug has medical uses, If you read the Controlled Substance act it clearly says "Substance has no accepted Medical uses in the US", That's one thing that I can't understand

"First, the gov doesn't endorse the good plant for anything that I know of, especially medical circumstances">
what do you mean by that?

Well, it would be hard for them to endorse something that by law has no medicinal use. It needs to be removed from the list of Sch 1 substances first, but no way will the gov't ever "endorse" a medical product - liability reasons and it's not really their job to endorse anything except their own shananigans.

Well, it would be hard for them to endorse something that by law has no medicinal use. It needs to be removed from the list of Sch 1 substances first, but no way will the gov't ever "endorse" a medical product - liability reasons and it's not really their job to endorse anything except their own shananigans.

I disagree.

U.S. Patent # 6630507

Seems the US gov't does endorse cbd, after all.

I disagree.

U.S. Patent # 6630507

Seems the US gov't does endorse cbd, after all.

I disagree with your disagreement on the basis that assignment or acceptance of a patent falls far short of the law, which places marijuana on the Sch 1 list. It does not necessarily mean that it is condoned and agreed to by the govt - if it was, they would have made it law. This appears to have been a move to block, not promote. Did they run it through the FDA or hire a manufacturer? - NO. Why still the negative marijuana propaganda? Did that patent cover the "plant" - NO. I'm talking about endorsement of a product, not endorsement like signing a check.

If you really want to call that an endorsement, go talk to the "legal" patients and owners that have been the victims of the fed's smash and grabs after Obama said he wouldn't use fed resources. How's that "endorsement" working for them?

I disagree with your disagreement on the basis that assignment or acceptance of a patent falls far short of the law, which places marijuana on the Sch 1 list. It does not necessarily mean that it is condoned and agreed to by the govt - if it was, they would have made it law. This appears to have been a move to block, not promote. Did they run it through the FDA or hire a manufacturer? - NO. Why still the negative marijuana propaganda? Did that patent cover the "plant" - NO. I'm talking about endorsement of a product, not endorsement like signing a check.

If you really want to call that an endorsement, go talk to the "legal" patients and owners that have been the victims of the fed's smash and grabs after Obama said he wouldn't use fed resources. How's that "endorsement" working for them?

I disagree with your disagreement of my disagreement.
Did you even bother to look at the patent abstract?

"This new found property makes cannabinoids useful in the treatment and prophylaxis of wide variety of oxidation associated diseases, such as ischemic, age-related, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases."

Sounds like an endorsement to me.

I disagree with your disagreement of my disagreement.
Did you even bother to look at the patent abstract?

"This new found property makes cannabinoids useful in the treatment and prophylaxis of wide variety of oxidation associated diseases, such as ischemic, age-related, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases."

Sounds like an endorsement to me.

I read the entire thing long ago. If you liked the abstract - please realize it wasn't written by the government. Now, if YOU read the ENTIRE thing like I did, you would fully realize the significance of this. Think back to your organic chemistry course in college (I'm assuming you took one) and review what a substitutable group on a ring structure is. If you don't know what that is, you may not understand what's going on. The govt isn't endorsing anything - they're controlling both it (the plant) AND synthetic cannabinoids. I would hardly call non-action by the govt to make any effort to spread that info publicly, to continue raiding dispensaries that do indeed serve medical needs along with the continued war on drugs an endorsement. Have to decline your disagreement.

I read the entire thing long ago. If you liked the abstract - please realize it wasn't written by the government. Now, if YOU read the ENTIRE thing like I did, you would fully realize the significance of this. Think back to your organic chemistry course in college (I'm assuming you took one) and review what a substitutable group on a ring structure is. If you don't know what that is, you may not understand what's going on. The govt isn't endorsing anything - they're controlling both it (the plant) AND synthetic cannabinoids. I would hardly call non-action by the govt to make any effort to spread that info publicly, to continue raiding dispensaries that do indeed serve medical needs along with the continued war on drugs an endorsement. Have to decline your disagreement.

well i would agree with you- (because my whole point in my original post was just my worries/concern of how the government is using 'legalized' medical weed AS THEY ARE to get lots of information then continue to raid dispensaries and users anyway)

So if you agree with me- that ESPECIALLY the 'med card' parts of the culture are NOT supported/endorsed by the government . . . . but thats EXCTLY why they want to take all their registered information.. so they can PRETEND to look the other way then send swat to your house when they feel like it.

[i just think the 'non-high' weed helps push things further and faster in that direction]

I would hardly call non-action by the govt to make any effort to spread that info publicly, to continue raiding dispensaries that do indeed serve medical needs along with the continued war on drugs an endorsement.

Bingo! Prize goes to xdog.

That is it in a nutshell. By holding that patent, Feds do endorse cbd as medicine and
claim it's wonderful properties.

Same Feds do.... what Feds do. Endorse the WOD. The same "drugs" they hold
patent on.

+rep for xdog for hitting the bullseye.

well i would agree with you- (because my whole point in my original post was just my worries/concern of how the government is using 'legalized' medical weed AS THEY ARE to get lots of information then continue to raid dispensaries and users anyway)

So if you agree with me- that ESPECIALLY the 'med card' parts of the culture are NOT supported/endorsed by the government . . . . but thats EXCTLY why they want to take all their registered information.. so they can PRETEND to look the other way then send swat to your house when they feel like it.

[i just think the 'non-high' weed helps push things further and faster in that direction]

How can anybody who is sane trust the US Federal Government?

Enjoying the thread immensely johnnyCage.

My brain has been fucked by this thread

As an FYI;

I was watching an episode of that GAWD aweful show 'weed wars' and the obnoxious retard running the dispensary on the show keeps running around shouting 'ONLY my medicine which i ONLY give to med patients who ONLY use for med needs is the ONLY way weed will be accepted!' .... as huge chunk of his patients get busted for TECHNICALITIES he then argues > 'only use it right! only as MEDICINE'

IMO when a MED PATIENT with legitimate needs gets busted for his weed stash being 'accessible and not locked up' by a cop who explains 'its just like prescription oxy' . . .. it drives me INSANE that the weedwars-type says "COME ON GUYS! FOLLOW THE LAWS hide you MEDS better" . ..

It just drives me insane... because all the while HE is a worse thing for the culture than the Reagen 'war on drugs' type .. . . at least THEY can be explained how non-dangerous it is- and look the other way.

But this "no no- come on guys- if we all follow the laws- everyone will get free weed an' we'll TRICK the GOV into giving us CARDS to get high!" > DRIVES ME INSANE. because i REALLY feel like they are soo happy buying weed in a store- they do not realize THEY are the ones KILLING THE CULTURE AND DEMONIZING EVERYONE.

The GOV is VERY content to ignore most card holders- while it treats non-med card users as crack-murders on pcp. All the while constantly tightening registration requirments and getting VERY updated records on where you live- who you buy from etc.

Noone is 'pulling a fast one' on the GOV with their med cards- The GOV carefully ignores people with legitimate medical needs- and s******s under their breath at everyone who thinks they are tricking the system as they use the med card to DESTROY your life for minor technical violations. > and this is NOT progress- this is phase 1 of the GOV drwing a line between 'medicine' and getting high (and bet your sweet-ass they are VERY aware that that line is invisible- which allows FULL ability to prosecute users).

This high CBD stuff is a very bad sign.

(also- to everyone with the 'the government NEVER would endorse something illegal' perspective . . . ummmmm then where does all the money going to universities and private labs studying/creating chems come from?? and why do we have soldiers/PMC guarding drug fields?)