Obama ok with gay marriage.

Im wondering what religious people in America think/feel about that? I'm glad he said he's ok with that. People should all be treated equal until they prove other wise.

Lol, like a comedian once said, straight people shouldn't be the only ones to suffer from being married.

I have zero tolerance for people who support the oppression of others, whether it's through religious motivation or not. And people who tout their freedom of religion shit, forget that freedom of religion does not mean they have the right to force their religious values upon everyone else, through government or otherwise. If a person has a problem with gay marriage then they shouldn't fucking marry a gay person, other than that they need to live and let live.

Exactly! Also, I know people are saying he's just doing that for votes which is probably very true, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he is a president that actaully is saying that on national television. I really think just becuase he put it out there and him being in his position is a step in the right direction even though he might just be saying that for votes.

It amuses me how people are so adamant about defending God and his morality.

Does God have the power to defend himself or not?

Who would Jesus oppress?

Dude this is just some political move..

Notice how they've been rubbing Bin Laden in our faces lately, now he's supporting gay marriage and what's next, he's going to be supporting legalization for mj (again lolz)?

Yay let's forget about all the wrong shit he has done and celebrate that he's 'ok' with gay people.. lol


Nothin against gays or Obama, just fuck I hate politics and how people buy into the whole game lol

I have zero tolerance for people who support the oppression of others, whether it's through religious motivation or not. And people who tout their freedom of religion shit, forget that freedom of religion does not mean they have the right to force their religious values upon everyone else, through government or otherwise. If a person has a problem with gay marriage then they shouldn't fucking marry a gay person, other than that they need to live and let live.

Fuckin A Man. I can't stand when people think religion is a license to discriminate.

to hell with queers...

and old joe is apologizing today for making his boss say that the other day...

Disrespect is not allowed here. mat369

Edited by M369, 11 May 2012 - 06:03 PM.

I for one am against seeing a society i live in accept this kind of behavior. Laws? Sure, let it be fair, but lets not confuse the two they should keep marriage between a man and a women while same sex should be Gayrriage. Just so that my future grandchildren won't get confused between the two and wonder why our population has decreased. And the gay and lesbian community can thank the parents for them being alive.

love is all.

except for some people..

To be fair, I think the people opposed to gay marriage have valid concerns and beliefs that shouldnt just be labeled as bigotry.

Do we want to encourage our future generation by telling them homosexual behavior is normal, acceptable, correct, etc.?

I dont believe sex between 2 males is "right"...its just not how nature has made us and I come to this conclusion due to many reasons. Its not because of religion. I can understand peoples concern over it.

Personally, I dont think the government should be involved in marriage at all.

Im wondering what religious people in America think/feel about that? I'm glad he said he's ok with that. People should all be treated equal until they prove other wise.

Lol, like a comedian once said, straight people shouldn't be the only ones to suffer from being married.

just cause he says xyz dosnt mean a thing..... remember its the election year, so he's everybody's freind. last summer he had quite a few other things to say.

To be fair, I think the people opposed to gay marriage have valid concerns and beliefs that shouldnt just be labeled as bigotry.

Do we want to encourage our future generation by telling them homosexual behavior is normal, acceptable, correct, etc.?

I dont believe sex between 2 males is "right"...its just not how nature has made us and I come to this conclusion due to many reasons. Its not because of religion. I can understand peoples concern over it.

Personally, I dont think the government should be involved in marriage at all.

People marrying each other is people marrying each other. If you oppose certain people getting married because they are different in some way, then you are a bigot. Lets call it what it is.

Yes we do want to tell them it is normal, acceptable, and correct, because there is nothing wrong with falling in love with a person or pursuing someone you are attracted to just because they are the same sex. If they are gay they will be gay whether this gay marriage becomes legal or not, if the future generations aren't gay it won't have any impact on them. People are who they are, they don't just decide one day they want to be gay. And with the rate that population is going up in this world, we need less children being born. I'm sure China would gladly accept a bunch of ass pirates right now, they need less kids being born.

So what you define is "right" should be forced on the rest of us? Well fuck you and the horse you rode in on! People like you and your belief system/values being forced on the rest of society is why the US is no longer the most free nation in the world. If you smoke weed then you understand how wrong it is that the government is invovled in the ban of cannabis because people think it's morally corrupting, etc.. People, since Anslinger, have pushed their personal views about cannabis on the rest of the country, not allowing humans to exercise their right to get high without fear of prosecution. You don't have to support homosexuality, but I would think you have enough goddamned sense to see that its similar to cannabis prohibition.

If you think government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all, then you shouldn't support governments passing laws that BAN gay marriage. I find it so funny that usually it's conservatives who want smaller government yet want government to waste time forcing laws like a ban on gay marriage, or they claim to be libertarian, or Christian, which certainly shouldn't be against it. Jesus never commented on homosexuality and nobody that supports any ban can call themselves a libertarian. What it boils down to is using their religion, political views, etc.. as a scapegoat to hide that fact the are just personally confused and insecure about their own sexuality. Isn't that right fieryflora?

just cause he says xyz dosnt mean a thing..... remember its the election year, so he's everybody's freind. last summer he had quite a few other things to say.

While I'll agree that the POTUS would certainly use this to get votes, it's not the best issue to push on an election year because it will turn many religious moderates away that he needs to vote for him. The reason this issue came out again is because once DADT was dropped, military gay men and women were able to marry their partners because there was no longer any government laws against homosexuality holding them back. Countless service men and women have been getting married by military chaplains now and there is nothing (law wise) that is stopping it. So Biden and Obama had to come out against it and push a law stopping homosexuals in the military from getting married or support gay marriage as a whole. After his success with DADT being repealed, naturally the only course of action was to support universal gay marriage, otherwise he would come off more flip-floppy than he already is, and then he would basically be Romney.

People marrying each other is people marrying each other. If you oppose certain people getting married because they are different in some way, then you are a bigot. Lets call it what it is.

Yes we do want to tell them it is normal, acceptable, and correct, because there is nothing wrong with falling in love with a person or pursuing someone you are attracted to just because they are the same sex. If they are gay they will be gay whether this gay marriage becomes legal or not, if the future generations aren't gay it won't have any impact on them. People are who they are, they don't just decide one day they want to be gay. And with the rate that population is going up in this world, we need less children being born. I'm sure China would gladly accept a bunch of ass pirates right now, they need less kids being born.

So what you define is "right" should be forced on the rest of us? Well fuck you and the horse you rode in on! People like you and your belief system/values being forced on the rest of society is why the US is no longer the most free nation in the world. If you smoke weed then you understand how wrong it is that the government is invovled in the ban of cannabis because people think it's morally corrupting, etc.. People, since Anslinger, have pushed their personal views about cannabis on the rest of the country, not allowing humans to exercise their right to get high without fear of prosecution. You don't have to support homosexuality, but I would think you have enough goddamned sense to see that its similar to cannabis prohibition.

If you think government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all, then you shouldn't support governments passing laws that BAN gay marriage. I find it so funny that usually it's conservatives who want smaller government yet want government to waste time forcing laws like a ban on gay marriage, or they claim to be libertarian, or Christian, which certainly shouldn't be against it. Jesus never commented on homosexuality and nobody that supports any ban can call themselves a libertarian. What it boils down to is using their religion, political views, etc.. as a scapegoat to hide that fact the are just personally confused and insecure about their own sexuality. Isn't that right fieryflora?

I dont think there is a gene that determines a persons sexual orientation. A lot of it is due to environment, learned behavior, past experiences, etc...I think 2 guys can be friends and have love for eachother without having sex.

I think legalizing gay marriage may encourage homosexual behavior in the young, curious and confused future generations. It would send out the message that homosexuality is normal and okay, which may not be a great idea.

In the end, I dont support a ban on gay marriage, i'm simply saying I understand the concerns of the people that dont agree on gay marriage. I personally wouldnt vote at all on the issue. Like I said, i'de rather not have the government involved in marriage.

To be fair, I think the people opposed to gay marriage have valid concerns and beliefs that shouldnt just be labeled as bigotry.

Definition of BIGOT
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

The shoe fits pretty well. Some of those concerns might not be from hatred, but for a lot of people they really are just a cloak for hatred and intolerance. An excuse to go around dropping a victim card "oh my, they're persecuting me, calling my a bigot just because I'm intolerantly devoted to my own prejudices!"

Do we want to encourage our future generation by telling them homosexual behavior is normal, acceptable, correct, etc.?

Why wouldn't we? You think gay is just going to go away? It's been around for a really long time, and lived through far less tolerant times than these. You believe God created these people. Are you saying God did something wrong? If these people were created by God, then it must be intended (ie. normal). Regardless, they exist whether you acknowledge them or like them. That's not going to change.

I dont believe sex between 2 males is "right"...its just not how nature has made us and I come to this conclusion due to many reasons. Its not because of religion. I can understand peoples concern over it.

Personally, I dont think the government should be involved in marriage at all.

Some people don't believe heterosexual sex is "right" unless a baby results from it. Some people don't believe masturbation is "right!" Some people believe that if a woman allows herself to be raped, it is so "wrong" she must be killed to death immediately. Some of the "morals" of the world are disgusting, and almost all of them are about controlling what others do. Use your morality to control what you do.

I don't believe telling people who they are allowed to love is "right." It's a fruitless and foolish notion, as pointless as trying to tell people what plants they can and cannot smoke. It will not work. Everyone should have the same rights in this country, including the right to decide whether they want to call someone else's union a "marriage."

The only reason this issue exists is so cynical politicians can use it to drive a wedge between us. Are we not responsible for ourselves and our families? If that is so, then we shouldn't be crying about how this affects our children - we are responsible for own own families. If it is not so, then the argument seems rather absurd - we would expect the government to protect our kids from the gay? Let's be reasonable.

We Americans normally agree about honoring liberty. Christians normally agree that love is all important. Without the politics, we would agree that we should have the same rights as our neighbors and that we should not dishonor them. It's unfortunate but true: they are using Christians for political gains.

I'd love to burn one with you some time postal. You are fun to read when I'm baked.

Beyond the obvious political move this was to begin with i think my position still hasn't changed over the years. I've always wanted justice for people and the gays & lesbian community i regard no different. However, as a society let it be distinguished what marriage is between a man and a women or of the same sex.

Gayrriage as i said earlier for same sex can be used imo.
Marriage for heterosexuals.

In my opinion there aren't any sides for me to choose from except Allah commandments and this act brought people their destruction.

viscerally the antithesis of evolving beings and does not make sense to me but as the law stands, man made laws are what we are working with so in that respect i have no issue with them getting the financial consideration as a married couple.

yes the disease to society known as homosex has always been here since the fall of human kind into the sin sick abyss we find ourselves plunged into...like some gigantic black hole...

hatred is telling anyone that partaking in a destructive and 'very' unhealthy lifestyle is ok...hatred is telling them it is normal, hatred is accepting it as somehting that should be tolerated on any kind of level.

yes they exist, as do murderers, thieves, rouges and slave traders...but the existence of them does not make their actions acceptable, noble or somehow decent.

they should not be allowed to marry, adopt children, or publically acknowledge they are even active in such bondage...those confessions belong between them and a counselor that is giving them the remedy they need to get past their illness of homosexuality.

that is true love for them and a true desire to see them away from the self mutilation they are trapped in..

no politician who supports them, judge who advocates for them, activist who pushes their cause, policemen who protects the lifestyle...none will be safe when we show our disregard for those who disregard our vote, our voice, our will....

let us just go ahead and break it on down......

we ARE going to push the teaching of it out of our schools, we ARE going to push the acceptance of it out of our society, we ARE going to make this a culture where they do NOT feel comfortable.

those things are not even debatable...

J Stevenson

I'm happy there are open minded people in the City......