What exactly is AN's Tarantula & can it be used as foliar? If so, is that A good idea

A guy I was purchasing an item off of Craigs list from, had given me A brand new, unopened Tarantula canister. Looks to be 130gms/4.5ozs and well taken care of. What I have heard & read, is that it is A derivitive of Leonardite, which I understand is A thin top layer of natural compost? Or something... Problem is, I like to know details about shit... My neighbors, ex-girlfriends, and especially my plants. Basically, i want someone in the know, to fill me in on every detail available on this product, and if it is even worth using without its two other counterparts... Thanks!

See that little search tool just above the banner? Type in advanced nutrients tarantula and voila. Besides any response you get from the organics section is not gonna support AN in fact you may get ridiculed for even mentioning that name. But seriously people need to learn to use the damn search bar!

Yeah dipshit, ok i guess ya feel like a boss now huh. You fucking moron, that was one of the first things i did. That was how i knew what little i did, however nothing is going to give me the same type of feedback as someone who'd actually used it in a grow before. And as far as for my mentioning AN in the "wrong place"? If you had any brains you would have known that YOU are in the wrong forum all-together! My subject pertains to growing, and is reasonably within boundaries of that subject. By the looks of your default picture you obviously are looking for a "boy-toy" forum. Maybe some other "teachers pet" at the all boys academy reunion forums are missin you, and need some of your witty insight as to how things run smoothly, but growers forum? No... Just fall in line boss man. Remember who you are, and go get some band-aids for all these burns you just
Recieved. I really would knock you out with one arm tied behind my back. Seriously youngster. Ive got scars bigger than you...

Name calling and disrespect are not tolerated at GC. .....Chunk

Edited by Chunk, 07 May 2012 - 01:53 AM.

I really would knock you out with one arm tied behind my back.

Curious, what is "Tarantula"? I've never heard of it before.

You must be using Advanced Nutrients? What kind of growing medium? Just wondering.

Thanks,
Jerry

Edited by jerry111165, 06 May 2012 - 07:44 PM.

Aspirin water....

Your right I'm sorry. P.S. I slept with my wife and another woman just last night I can get more ass then you'll ever dream of.

Lace the Fuck up Biatch!

this thread should have what you want to know
http://forum.grassci...la-piranha.html

P.S. I got that link just by a simple google search

Plus you better believe Machine Gun Kelly got more ass by 21 than you will your whole life!
Good luck with life, one love, I will leave you alone to learn now. I apologize to the moderators if I am to blame for this fiasco of a thread.

Your right I'm sorry. P.S. I slept with my wife and another woman just last night I can get more ass then you'll ever dream of.

Lace the Fuck up Biatch!

Ever hear of a threesome?

Why do I keep falling for these trolls lame ass shit. I promise I will leave this thread alone now.

Edited by LTFU330, 06 May 2012 - 09:13 PM.

Kids and their e-penis....

Whats wrong with everyone, are y'all dry or something? Light up and calm the fuck down. We are all here for the love of the same thing. MJ. Dont get it twisted.

I personally don't mind being insulted. It kinda goes over my head, in fact I come off as rude a lot of the time. I think part the reason i don't notice is because I do not consider the website a reflection of myself, or ego, and consequently my ego could be insulted and I might think it's funny..

regarding AN, not organic, and we don't really know if it's a hydrolysate or emulsion. However both of those are cheap materials so the cost of the bottle is way over blown no matter what the ingredient really is. It's not even OMRI listed, but more importantly it's not a recommended brand by people who have tested hydrolysates for fungal levels when it is added in small amounts to compost tea

taruntula is pitched as a microbial inoculant; AN claims they produce all their own microbes, yet do not list the species anywhere I could find. I call bullshit on that. They say they are loaded with all these pHDs working around the clock. hmmmm...

Many inoculants have microbes which actually compete with each other in a not good way. AN's carboshit smells and looks suspiciously like straight molasses.

MM, I wish I could sell molasses for fifty bucks a bottle.

Just for a few weeks...

What do u think the Tarantula really is?

Hard to keep microbes alive in a bottle for very long, no?

Jerry, I seem to recall that one product actually had higher AM counts and it's the bottled liquid type. then there's shelf life of these different products. I agree though most of it's snake or other creepy creature's oil with bad microbes like MM says.

Ok but seriously, im reading all the threads now, and wow. This conversation on line(entire thread from beginning) This whole chat room thing is my first ever, so i got caught up right off the bat. I never paid for anything, i dont think im too much of a big'ol sucker or anything. The core matter at hand here comes from the same spot in all of us that, not only have the patients to do this, I cant get enough. This is what we think about when were on our way home from doing it for the last 9 hours. So, my apologies to everyone. Seriously. I will not be spraying anything new on my plants this evening. But i still wanna know
MORE about it than i do now.

Ok but seriously, im reading all the threads now, and wow. This conversation on line(entire thread from beginning) This whole chat room thing is my first ever, so i got caught up right off the bat. I never paid for anything, i dont think im too much of a big'ol sucker or anything. The core matter at hand here comes from the same spot in all of us that, not only have the patients to do this, I cant get enough. This is what we think about when were on our way home from doing it for the last 9 hours. So, my apologies to everyone. Seriously. I will not be spraying anything new on my plants this evening. But i still wanna know
MORE about it than i do now.

RytGrafEatSushi,

I appreciate that you apologized for the way you've behaved here. Our organics members are helpful and knowledgeable...........your comments were out of line. I suggest you read our forum guidelines and acquaint yourself with our Terms of Use if you intend to stay here.

http://forum.grassci...guidelines.html

Chunk

MM, I wish I could sell molasses for fifty bucks a bottle.

Just for a few weeks...

What do u think the Tarantula really is?

Hard to keep microbes alive in a bottle for very long, no?

Tarantula is likely a consortium of bacterial and fungal spores such as every Tom, Dick and Harry are selling across the land. As I've stated before, if you wishy to purchase something like this, insist on seeing the label, then simply compare the species and spore counts amongst various products. Purchase the best bang for your buck.

They usually consist of some nitrogen fixers, lactobacillus species and often a variety of mycorrhizal spores with trichoderma. If you wish to use something like this check out ICT products, which I believe are cheaper. They are meant for lawns but what's the difference.

Tarantula | Advanced Nutrients | Benificial Bacteria

We've got Piranhas, and we've got Tarantulas! Advanced Nutrients created our famous Tarantula formula because our scientists said that our other beneficial microbe products, as good as they were, did not have several varieties of beneficial bacteria that would help our customer's crops.

So we worked hard to make a stable formula containing 57 types of microorganisms that work together to benefit crops in ways that no other product can. Not only is our formula stable, safe, and easy to use, it's also the most potent and well-engineered of its type on the market. Our competitor's products are inferior in potency, type of microorganisms contained, and design. The major bacteria in Tarantula include Bacillus, Psuedomonas, Aztobacter, and Streptomyces. In the root zone, these bacteria form a relationship with roots and substances that feed crops, thus increasing nutrient movement into crops and making more nutrients available to roots.

Aztobacter converts atmopsheric nitrogen to a form that can be used by roots. Pseudomonas is especially useful because it helps produce natural hormones that stimulate crop growth and also enhances seed germination while resisting "damping off" and other pathogens that plague seeds and seedlings.

As a foliar spray, Tarantula facilitates plant respiration, energy production, nutrient uptake and pathogen resistance. Try Tarantula today. It's backed by our absolutely phenomenal full refund performance guarantee.

Interesting that they state that all those 57 'soil' microbes are effective as a foliar.

http://www.igrowhydr...arantula-TD.pdf

These are the reasons why Advanced Nutrients combined strains of Actinomycetes into
Tarantula; they form a critical part of the soil ecology promoting plant growth directly by
solubilising nutrients and indirectly by fending off pathogens. These scientists continue
to describe the value of Actinomycetes in promoting mycorrhizal growth and use terms

like “hyperparasite” when labelling this genus of beneficial microbe:

Also interesting. Most studies I've encountered indicate that acinobacteria [the correct term] can severely inhibit the growth and infection of endomycorrhizal fungi....hmmmm. Who are these hard working scientists who don't even tell AN the correct pronounciation of a term?

Most plants which 'do not' form mycorrhizal relationships 'do' benefit from actinobacteria (eg. Brassicas, Ericaceaes).

Later in the article it seems to confess that well ya, there are actually 19 species of microbes....I thought it was 57....

To create Tarantula, Advanced Nutrients selected 19 super-strains different plant growth promoting rhizobacteria (PGPR).

I'm pretty sure piranha consists of mycorrhizal spores combined with trichoderma spores.

MM, good to see you post in this thread.
While researching organics and organic growing, I've become a fan of your work, and after reading your posts and your site, I went to advanceds' site, trying to compare they're "benificials" compared to the ones we can create using just ewc and some molasses.
I couldn't help but laugh as I started to figure out that the very things they put in they're 3 products (voodoo juice, tarantela, and pirana) are the same things we can do @ home at a fraction of the cost, without having to buy several hundred dollars worth of nutrients and additives.
Amazing stuff, and I can't thank you enough for everything you've posted about the subject.

While we are on the subject, let's hear it for Piranha!

http://www.igrowhydr.../Piranha-TD.pdf

There are six super strains of mycorrhizal fungi in Piranha. Two are strains of Trichoderma, and four are Glomus species.

Goodness; That's news...Trichoderma is mycorrhizal? Who knew?
Be aware there are many studies indicating that Trichoderma inhibits endomycorrhizal fungi colonization and you can bet your booties that the spore count in the mix is way higher for Trichoderma [because it is cheap to buy] so those AN fans who see the great benefits from this product are likely benefitting from Trichoderma which is a beneficial fungi on its own.