The DownFall Of The Native Americans The First 100 Years

I'm not Native but being raised near a native reservation during my childhood I was very involved around northern native culture and have watched and read countless documentaries and books on the subject of native culture and the expansion of Europe's involvement.

This is my own personal opinion on the manner. What I'm looking at is the first 100 years of when Europe Settlers first planted onto the America's.

Looking into it, the first 70's years between the time of traditional discovery to about 1590 most Europeans that first entered the North America's were two types these consist of Dutch merchants and English puritans.

At first Europe had too rooted of problems and corrals among themselves in Europe to have any remote interest of the new world. Many rich class saw it as a novelty when merchantmen would bring back new and exotic species and spice back to Europe but at that point this was how far the limitations of the Europe's ruling class had of the new world.

Spite popular belief it was the Dutch that saw the mass investment potential of the new world compared to other European nations well on the other hand 25 years or so later England saw it as an opportunity to kick out their undesirables and trouble makers.

The dutch structure before that time from a small country that had rich income from their trade markets such as in the far East and India but low to non existent military power. Their intentions such as previous campaigns was to set up trade routes and command post among the natives, letting the natives govern themselves. The Dutch never intended to settle themselves in north America but to create a income profit native colony in animal skins, maple syrup, produce, and wood.

Though there was financial gain from some tribal established outpost the overall majority was disastrous to the north American Dutch branch leading it to bankruptcy and collapse. Many reasons such as natives had no recognition of what value was, money laundry and thievery among natives toward the Dutch. The best known of these was the purchase of Long Island for 3 million in gold to natives. Surprise at the time when the Dutch realized no one really owned the land in the first place and the tribe that they bought it from was actually just traveling through.

At the time most natives trade outpost were controlled and protected by Dutch hired German Mercenaries. These mercenaries were not allowed to intervene with tribe problems or tribe wars themselves but were able to protect outpost from English or puritan attacks.

Puritans:

During the time in England there were riots, murders, and anti-Monarchy attacks directed to the royal family. The king seeing the new world as an opportunity to get rid of his revivals had made it cheap for people of the land to travel to North America, many of the first settlers were christian puritans seeking to leave the corrupt old world and start a new more pure society into the new world. The first 50 years there were 2 towns and 1 middle size city under British control in North America. Through these years much of European warfare happen among Dutch trade companies and English puritans

These wars or skirmishes were usually about puritans wanting expansion settlements and the Dutch wanting to hold trade outpost. The Dutch had much more of the upper hand due to contracts and earlier discovery among native tribes in the area. So the puritans never really got too far until after the Dutch collapse. This lasted for 70 -120 years.

The collapse of the Dutch North American branches:

During the time when certain tribes were controlled by the Dutch was a time for these natives of being able to live off the fat of the land. When the Dutch came over they sought out trade outpost in these trade agreements natives were required to push a production limit per year to the Dutch in return the Dutch gave them knowledge in financial and agriculture practices plus protection and govern knowledge and currency exchange. The native chiefs and his family were also able to travel to and from Europe at will.

The riches cause a problem with the tribes though, many chiefs with the money they were able to gain from the Dutch sought out their own independent wars among other pass tribe rivals. Tribe hatred engulfed the lands and tribe wars were fueled. At the time The Dutch branches never gave much warfare technology to tribes such as muskets or armor plates, toward the end before the Dutch collapse many outpost were seeking English alliances to defeat their enemies in the region. Because the English sold tribes muskets and canons.

When the Dutch bellied up most land and tribe outpost stations were auctioned off to governments of the highest bidder these included England, France, Germany, Russia, Italy, Spain, and Hungry. When the knew owners posses the territory unlike the Dutch these new governments were not looking for trade contracts but possession of the land and the hatred among tribes only fueled the help of Europe and their conquest for the next 100 years.

One question:

How high are you?

One question:

How high are you?

I posted this because a lot of people in here don't know much about History, and some just flap ignorance at the mouth. Plus this is an old article I wrote in college.

I just wanted to be a part of this thread,5/13/12 ~

Edited by MaN oN ThE mOoN, 13 May 2012 - 07:40 PM.

I'm not Native but being raised near a native reservation during my childhood I was very involved around northern native culture and have watched and read countless documentaries and books on the subject of native culture and the expansion of Europe's involvement.

This is my own personal opinion on the manner. What I'm looking at is the first 100 years of when Europe Settlers first planted onto the America's.

Looking into it, the first 70's years between the time of traditional discovery to about 1590 most Europeans that first entered the North America's were two types these consist of Dutch merchants and English puritans.

At first Europe had too rooted of problems and corrals among themselves in Europe to have any remote interest of the new world. Many rich class saw it as a novelty when merchantmen would bring back new and exotic species and spice back to Europe but at that point this was how far the limitations of the Europe's ruling class had of the new world.

Spite popular belief it was the Dutch that saw the mass investment potential of the new world compared to other European nations well on the other hand 25 years or so later England saw it as an opportunity to kick out their undesirables and trouble makers.

The dutch structure before that time from a small country that had rich income from their trade markets such as in the far East and India but low to non existent military power. Their intentions such as previous campaigns was to set up trade routes and command post among the natives, letting the natives govern themselves. The Dutch never intended to settle themselves in north America but to create a income profit native colony in animal skins, maple syrup, produce, and wood.

Though there was financial gain from some tribal established outpost the overall majority was disastrous to the north American Dutch branch leading it to bankruptcy and collapse. Many reasons such as natives had no recognition of what value was, money laundry and thievery among natives toward the Dutch. The best known of these was the purchase of Long Island for 3 million in gold to natives. Surprise at the time when the Dutch realized no one really owned the land in the first place and the tribe that they bought it from was actually just traveling through.

At the time most natives trade outpost were controlled and protected by Dutch hired German Mercenaries. These mercenaries were not allowed to intervene with tribe problems or tribe wars themselves but were able to protect outpost from English or puritan attacks.

Puritans:

During the time in England there were riots, murders, and anti-Monarchy attacks directed to the royal family. The king seeing the new world as an opportunity to get rid of his revivals had made it cheap for people of the land to travel to North America, many of the first settlers were christian puritans seeking to leave the corrupt old world and start a new more pure society into the new world. The first 50 years there were 2 towns and 1 middle size city under British control in North America. Through these years much of European warfare happen among Dutch trade companies and English puritans

These wars or skirmishes were usually about puritans wanting expansion settlements and the Dutch wanting to hold trade outpost. The Dutch had much more of the upper hand due to contracts and earlier discovery among native tribes in the area. So the puritans never really got too far until after the Dutch collapse. This lasted for 70 -120 years.

The collapse of the Dutch North American branches:

During the time when certain tribes were controlled by the Dutch was a time for these natives of being able to live off the fat of the land. When the Dutch came over they sought out trade outpost in these trade agreements natives were required to push a production limit per year to the Dutch in return the Dutch gave them knowledge in financial and agriculture practices plus protection and govern knowledge and currency exchange. The native chiefs and his family were also able to travel to and from Europe at will.

The riches cause a problem with the tribes though, many chiefs with the money they were able to gain from the Dutch sought out their own independent wars among other pass tribe rivals. Tribe hatred engulfed the lands and tribe wars were fueled. At the time The Dutch branches never gave much warfare technology to tribes such as muskets or armor plates, toward the end before the Dutch collapse many outpost were seeking English alliances to defeat their enemies in the region. Because the English sold tribes muskets and canons.

When the Dutch bellied up most land and tribe outpost stations were auctioned off to governments of the highest bidder these included England, France, Germany, Russia, Italy, Spain, and Hungry. When the knew owners posses the territory unlike the Dutch these new governments were not looking for trade contracts but possession of the land and the hatred among tribes only fueled the help of Europe and their conquest for the next 100 years.

If this was a college paper, I'm almost scared to ask what sort of grade you got.

Spelling errors; confusion about plurality; incomplete sentences; inconsistent capitalization; using numerals in places where the words "one" or "two" ought to have been used; missing punctuation; and even though the title suggests the piece is about Native Americans, the content is almost exclusively about the Dutch settlers.

This is incoherent.

There's not a ton about the indians in the op's original post

but....

The Native Americans will prolly never leave their reservations. It doesn't seem right to me!! We treat them like ******s.....they are excluded and many of them don't even want to be a part of our society

Edited by TexRx, 13 May 2012 - 06:50 AM.

Is English your first language OP? Or did you learn to speak 'Native American' before it?

Crap man.....I am a North American Native and you left out the part about the US gov. slaughtering many of my peeps and then ordering them to save bullets and to use the butt ends of the guns to crush the babies skulls.....to use the bayenettes to slice the women from their necks to there privates.....

Then there was the blankets delivered to the rez'z that were infected with small pox a sickness that the white man brought over which killed most of what was left.
Also thanksgiving.....watch this [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTuFKisYnm8]The REAL Thanksgiving Story! - YouTube[/ame]

the reason why nobody owned the land is simple.....we belong to the land and still do when we realize that we are part of a bigger thing, and that man is not King of all we will live together in harmony with the earth
get high and remember "everything is one"

There's not a ton about the indians in the op's original post

but....

The Native Americans will prolly never leave their reservations. It doesn't seem right to me!! We treat them like ******s.....they are excluded and many of them don't even want to be a part of our society

Hey man, I don't know how it is in the States but here in Canada the Natives have it made. If you're 1/8 or more Native you don't pay taxes, and receive a ton of other financial benefits, whether or not you live on a reserve.

Reserve land isn't all bad land either, like a lot of people think. Lots of reserves have tons of material resources that are just undeveloped. For instance the Musqueam band here in BC has a reservation on Point Grey, which is the kind of land you buy if you're a multimillionaire. 255 hectares of great land for just over 1300 people. I'd take that deal.

There are 400,000 (roughly) Native Americans in Canada, and we spend a total of a few billion a year on them (not including land claims negotiations).

So here in Canada, at least, Natives are privileged, not treated like shit. Perhaps in the US it's different but I kind of doubt it.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Natives, it's just some people's attitudes towards the whole thing aren't very mature sometimes. Yeah, Europeans killed some Native Americans, Native Americans killed lots of European settlers too. Lots more died off from disease epidemics that were largely unintentional. And European arrival jumped technology and standard of living forward hundreds of years on this continent.

Look, I'm not denying some ugly things happened during colonization, injustices occured, people killed, etc. but it's pretty ridiculous for Natives to claim they own, or ever owned, or have a right to this entire continent. Even if they were here first, would it be justice for whites to chafe in poverty in Europe instead of taking advantage of this fantastic, largely unused land?

Edited by JuanRing, 13 May 2012 - 07:29 PM.

I believe if your Cherokee in NC 1/16 you get a free scholarship or something. In no way what there compensated with can undo what they've suffered as a people.

I believe if your Cherokee in NC 1/16 you get a free scholarship or something. In no way what there compensated with can undo what they've suffered as a people.

That's kind of my whole point though, was the overall colonization of the Americas by Europeans an injustice? I don't think so. Conditions in Europe were pretty deplorable at the time, lots of people were forced to emigrate because they were starving, and didn't really have much of a choice.

So then there's the fact that Europeans killed lots of Natives. That's true, but lots of tribes were hostile to European settlers. So how are you supposed to treat people who are hostile to you? Like I said Natives killed plenty of Europeans as well, and the overall decline in their population after our arrival is more due to the spread of disease than some kind of mass genocide by the Europeans. They didn't want to kill all Natives, they wanted to settle land.

Then there's all the technological and economic advances they brought. I could write an essay on that alone, but the gist of it is the standard of living for Natives was and is much better because of European colonization. Combine that, along with all the benefits and special status in society that they recieve, and it doesn't really seem like such a bad deal, does it?

"it doesn't really seem like such a bad deal, does it?" sorry to say but you are a ass.


The rape of the land saddens everyone but the greedy

Also with all of the "special treatment" we recieve equals nothing in which was giving up....

You want to make it fair how about me never having to work again.....since Canada and the US was mine "in white mans laws"

when I was younger I tried getting jobs around the area and when people see the place I reside my resume went right to the bottom...its still like that today as well....when we leave the reserve and go into town you get the looks I remember girls telling me that they could no longer date me because I was Native

So how are you supposed to treat people who are hostile to you? you back off and respect the people who inhaibit that land......not come and steal it

yes this pisses me off if you dont know what your talking about make damn sure you know the facts not just the dribble the gov feeds you...

just like how the gov tell lies about weed they dont say what they have done to my people

"it doesn't really seem like such a bad deal, does it?" sorry to say but you are a ass.


The rape of the land saddens everyone but the greedy

Dude it's fucking ridiculous how entitled you are. What gives Native Americans the right to an entire fucking continent on Earth? You didn't even settle half of it, Europeans did. So we should just give it back after we've put blood sweat and tears into making it a great place? You act like this place was better before European arrival.

We brought advanced science and medicine, superior agricultural practices, economic reform, built roads and bridges, technology like steam power, etc. I could go on. Native American culture has benefited so much from European emigration.

No, I'm not denying that BOTH peoples committed injustices and that the melding of cultures was not a seamless one, but please don't tell me we "raped the land and took everything and it was so much better before we came", cause that's just crap man. I live here too this is just as much my home as it is yours.

So how are you supposed to treat people who are hostile to you? you back off and respect the people who inhaibit that land......not come and steal it

So Native Americans inhabited all of North America then? They settled all of it, built infrastructure, and never fought among themselves over it? That's crap man. Like I said lots of people came over here because they were starving in their home countries, should they just lay down and die? There were more Natives before we came, but not enough to inhabit all of North America.

Like I said, so you guys came over here a few thousand years before we did, in the grand scheme of things Native Americans were colonists of America. If you're Native American you most likely have ancestors from somewhere in Asia. So you're entitled to a sizable portion of the arable land in the world just because you got there, in the grand scheme of things, a little sooner?

You dont understand.....why settle it it is not yours or mine the land is the land and thats all it should be....we including you belong to it the land does not belong to us......we came from the earth and we will go back to it.....respect it live within it respect it.

Heres something my dad always said "White man build big fire sit far away....Indian make small fire sit real close" GET IT!

"We brought advanced science and medicine" didnt need it in fact many doctors are now starting to realize that natral healing is the way to go....science, why? whats the point how did that make life better I do agree I love my plasma and xbox but if I didnt know it was there I wouldnt care

"We brought advanced science and medicine, superior agricultural practices, economic reform, built roads and bridges, technology like steam power, etc. I could go on. Native American culture has benefited so much from European emigration.".........all these things raped the land didnt need them at all Thee Native peeps got along fine without them.....all things they needed were right there at there finger tips.....what else did thte white man bring....bullshit laws and religion........we had freedom and spirituality. the ultmate gift....then dont even get me starting on residental schools.....do you even know what that was about ....do you NO! The gov came and said that the children were living in unfit houses so thay came and toook the kids without consent gov. enforced took them away and striippped them of culture and language they were beat and molested for what NOT HANING A WHITE PICKET FENCE INFRONT OF THERE HOUSES..

You're really saying you don't need modern medicine? Did you know the infant mortality rate for Native Americans was like 50% before we came? Without the advanced medicine we brought, there's a 50/50 shot you wouldn't be here. What natural healing are you talking about? Yeah herbal remedies can be quite powerful, but it doesn't replace the knowledge of anatomy and biology that was so much more advanced.

How did it make life better? Well just the fact that you even have a computer is due to industrialization. The fact that you have power, running water, a car, even the Bic you light your bowl with is all a product of industrialization. Yeah it has it's drawbacks but there are ways around that that don't include setting technology back 1000 years.

We didn't steal this land, we settled it, brought tons of good with the bad, and now hundreds of years later it's time for Native Americans to accept it, and get over it.