"Phoenix Tears" uses

I came to rso in a roundabout sort of way. I had just had major back reconstruction and was in a lot of pain and had just started experimenting with medical marijuana even though I had been a heavy pot user for 42 years by that time. I was making a lot of different things trying to find relief for my pain. I made some rso but didn't really know what to use it for other than getting really high. That is what prompted this thread. As you saw, I got no responses for a long time. I was just trying to find out if anyone knew of anything other than cancer that it could be used medically for.


I went on to use it to manage my pain and discovered that it worked wonderfully on the inflammation from the back issues and even allowed me to stop taking opiates. I also have had 2 of the 3 forms of skin cancer and have a increased chance of getting melanoma, too. I use the rso on it, as well as the coconut oil version which I much prefer, topically and it heals up the outbreaks when they appear. I use it internally to fight the constant inflammation when it gets unbearable instead of taking the pain meds. Fortunately, I don't need it for a major obstacle like your mom has and only use it as needed because it raises the tolerance level quickly. I normally use tinctures and edibles and toking to maintain my stability but I keep some on hand for special needs.


I know about the unscratchable itch from my back surgery and two arm surgeries. All three areas have had that experience when they have healed, not the scar but deep in the tissue. Scratching doesn't do any good because the surface is numb and I can't even feel my hand, especially on my back. The itch always seems to be about 3 inches below the surface. 2 of the 3 are still present at times and drives me crazy.


If those lumps are lymph nodes then they may be drawn out or just dissolve and I believe that depends on the type of carcinoma they are. There is a friend of a friend that had breast cancer and was using the rso internally for it. I was told by my friend that a large, hard nodule had exited the skin of her breast and left a large hole and it was very painful. The hole filled in with topical application of rso. I have read other accounts of that happening with others and with some skin cancers but don't know if that is really the case. I do know that treating basal cell skin cancer with a bloodroot salve does cause a lot of pain as it draws out the tumor, so it may be the same with cannabis. I doubt that is the type your mom is experiencing, though.


One thing I want to caution you about is waiting too long to inform the oncologist that the lymph nodes have been compromised. If you don't see a visible positive result soon, you should alert them. You don't have to take the chemo or radiation or other objectionable treatment if you don't want but knowing what the cause of it is could be a big help. There are specific cannabinoids that work best on lymphoma if it happened to be that or other types.


So your mom is about 3 weeks into the therapy and getting a little appetite back. That is usually the first outside indicator that it is starting to work. From this point on you should start seeing improvements, especially if the coconut oil does it magic. Please keep in mind that she may be experiencing improvement with the ovarian cancer but not the lymph nodes which may be a different animal. The direct application of the rso to them should get a pretty quick response if it works. If they don't get worse, as you've already noted and especially iff there is reduction after a few days, you know you have a winner. Unfortunately it is very much like the blind leading the blind because there has been no research allowed by the guv.


The only supplement I advise is Omega 3 because it helps in the metabolism of cannabinoids. As for others, I'm pretty ignorant and anything else I might suggest would merely be speculation. The only other supplement I take is for "men's health" and I don't expect those would do her much good.


Be sure to keep us updated on her progress.

 

Hi, Vanessa. Both of those are good medical strains and by the sound of the reaction your mom had when she placed the rso on a lump. That pain is the cannabis doing it's work but it won't be pain free, unfortunately. That response may be indicative of the tumor being drawn out and that could be very painful but it's hard to know for sure.Like that friend of a friend I mentioned above.


The cure with cannabis can be bad, too, and if you continue with just the cannabis therapy, she will need narcotics at times to help. If you don't keep up the topical application, I can understand. The coconut oil is still a good choice if you think it helps. I know that to have such change just from the method of cannabis treatment will cause some concern.but it does illustrate the power of rso.


I'm not sure there is any better way to use your cannabis that will be any different if it's working. It sounds like it's really time to alert the doctors so that it doesn't progress beyond hope. Please keep us updated as you go along.

 

Hi, Vanessa. It sounds like you've got a tough mom is she's just taking Advil for pain. I'm glad you're continuing to do the regimen and it sounds like something may be working. It does take time for these to work but if the tumors were growing before you started and now they aren't and no new ones, then it sounds like she may be on her way.


Does your mom toke at all? The reason I ask is because there are some good strains for depression, stress and anxiety that may help her out. Those would be tropical Sativas instead of the Indica dominant rso. Do you have a vaporizer? A few hits occasionally during the day will possibly give her relief from the depression and maybe a bit of energy and appetite stimulation, too. It shouldn't zombie her out since she takes so much rso but it should help lift her spirits.


Like you were noticing, a lot of people don't come back and say "yea or nay". I know a fellow in Puerto Rico who uses the coconut oil version of rso for stage 3 multiple myeloma, a relapse, and he did well but used it in conjunction with chemo. The oil alone kept him out of chemo for a while and his numbers were lowering but not enough to suit his doctor. Some cancers respond better than others. I now have some active skin cancer on my ear and forehead and am using the oil on those and they are receding. It definitely works on some Prostate cancers and lung cancers and I have seen other accounts. Using it as oil is often the treatment method of choice.


Do you know of Granny Storm Crow? She puts out an index that is superb. Check out this thread if you haven't already:
http://forum.grasscity.com/medical-marijuana-usage...

 

Well, of course I'll let you know.


Rick Simpson's original guide was made before so much was known about the effects of the different cannabinoids. You actually have a very good blend of strains although the percentages they gave you and that Rick Simpson uses aren't realistic in the regular scheme of things but does give you an idea of your blend. Knowing those strains you use, those percentages probably are more in line with the strain balance than actual cannabinoid count.


There's been a lot of study done now on which strains and cannabinoids are best and it's pretty clear that a blend like yours is best for cancers that have a good chance to metastasize, such as your mom has. That's what the CBD does but it doesn't cause remission. That's the domain of THC and is why you want a higher content.


So how is she doing? Better, I hope.

 

I'm sorry to hear about your mom, Vanessa. When you say "oil", do you mean the coconut version or the straight rso? If she has gotten worse with the coconut oil, stop using it and go back to what you were doing. High doses of cannabis oil can cause those symptoms. If it started with the coconut oil then it could be the extra bioavailabiity. Cut back on the dosing and see if that helps. If not, then it's probably not the oil. If she can keep it down without the nausea you may want to try soy lecithin supplements at the time of dosing.


There's really no scientific information that tells what ratios that are needed. All we have is anecdotal stuff and it seems to be different for everyone. It doesn't work for everyone and every cancer. I have a friend with 3 different kinds of cancer and she's tried chemo and a lot of rso. The combination has given her quite an extension of quality life, it has not placed anything in remission and she has recently been told to consider hospice care. She seems vigorous and full of life but she's endured a lot.


There are a lot of forum threads that start out on a positive not but that don't end well and unlike the successful ones that get shouted out, they fade away. Another problem with documenting the nitty gritty is that a lot of people don't like to share the rough times even though things end well. Also, I would think that most folks in such distress may not be journal type unless it's someone like me.


However, check this out. I don't like to present negativity but this is a realistic look that reflects your frustration. But don't let it get you down.

 

So if this started with the coconut oil either cut the dose back to see if that helps then you'll know. Or just use the rso I hope you get it working for her. If cancer were easy to heal, no one would have it. Sometime in the future we'll have knowledge of how to use cannabis and it's compounds to the great benefit of mankind but right now our knowledge is in the dark ages.

 

There aren't any side effects to RSO like you describe that I've ever experienced nor heard of. There can be nausea and dizziness as well as the other "green out" or "couchlock" symptoms in large dosages. Fever, thirst, dehydration and other such symptoms are not indicative of cannabis in any form.

As I mentioned in your other thread, suppositories can be a great way to treat rectal, prostate, genital and other issues located in that region of the body. A lot of cancers are helped by getting the cannabinoids to the tissues and most is metabolized before it can get that far through the digestive system. There are more surface capillaries in the rectum that allows for excellent absorption directly into the tissue. Little to no psychoactivity should be encountered but a combination of rectal and oral dosing would probably be best.

 

Welcome to GrassCity Forums, Roselamb74. Sorry to hear about your family memebers. Hopefully cannabis therapy can help with that.

Are you want a small batch using an ounce of weed or a bulk amount? The process would be a little different for each. What is he highest percentage of drinking alcohol that you can get?

 

I wouldn't advise using the whole thing until you've made a smaller batch. Single ounces are easy but doesn't give as good of a yield and can be burnt fairly easily if not careful. I prefer to make oil from about a quarter pound at a time and it doesn't take a lot of special equipment or buckets and you get a yield between 12-16 grams, trim on the low end and flowers on the upper.

You can add your keif if you want or a proportional amount. If your plant material is all the same strain and your kief is another, I recommend using both. A blend of strains seems to work best if available. Even just one other will give a wider range of properties than just one but that's not always an option.

I spent some time looking around the net for a decent large batch video for you but couldn't really find one that covered the two most important steps of the process. I thought that I had a guide around somewhere but my computer crashed a few weeks ago and I lost all my stuff and can't find it in my backup but it's pretty simple to do.

For now I want to emphasize the 2 things that are left out of most guides and that are extremely important to your end product. The first main step is to decarb your buds and your kief. If you want the most effective cancer fighting properties then you need your oil to be as active as possible although not necessarily high THC and that is done by decarbing.

Full THC decarb is accomplished @ around 240°F for 40 minutes in an oven although for RSO I might use 5 or 10 minutes less in order to retain more of the CBDA which, in addition to CBD, is an important component of fighting cancer. By decarbing it a little less you will get a more complete cannabinoid profile. You don't want a lot of THCA in a concentrated product but some can be therapeutic in it's own right. I speak with some knowledge of this because of a ton of tests I've had performed and that's what they tell me.

The other very important step is to freeze your material for 24 hours after you decarb it and also place your 190 alcohol in the freezer separately for the same period of time. This is important for 2 reasons. The freezing of your material causes the trichomes on the material to get brittle and fall off which then makes it better for the freezing cold alcohol to crack them open and strip the oils. But the most important reason to use the freezing cold alcohol is that it inhibits the extraction of chlorophyll, not stop it but greatly inhibit it and this is important for your final oil. The more chlorophyll and other compounds like it that you have in your oil, the less potent it will be. It could change your cannabinoid content from 65% to 55% and you don't want that. You'll get a slightly larger yield but have to use more of it.

I had planned on getting this up sooner today but such is life. If you'd like, I can write out the steps for you and I may have some visuals, too, for a bit of guidance. I won't do it here tonight because I'd probably make too many mistakes but let me know if that would help out. Even if you find another guide to your liking just remember freezing and decarbing and decarb is the only step you want to use heat until it's time to evaporate off the alcohol.

I'm happy to help. When do you plan on starting?