Using LSD to Imprint the Tibetan-Buddhist Experience: A Guide

[castaneda]

We should do things because we get something out of it and make the choice ourselves. That's a good reason to reference Krishnamurti, because his story can remind us of that.

I also like the Zen idea of sitting, just sitting and not being obligated to "do" something about pressures in life. Krishnamurti seems to be disciplined in life that way.

Every now and then you hear of these people that live their whole life as a meditation. Nobody is always centered though. Life is changing and there's no such thing as a perfect being. But, these people inspire us and that's ok.

So, yeah, investigate and read things for yourself, but make sure you make the choices in your life and don't be run by what so called authorities have told you to do. Good point not to take it too serious. So if you're following your bliss and not just what so called authorities like Tim Leary, Alan Watts, Ram Dass, jesus, krishnamurti or anybody else have to say, that's a good thing.

I'm going to subscribe to this thread to see if it lives and just incase anybody wants to pick my brain.

[MelT]

Originally Posted by castaneda

So if you're following your bliss and not just what so called authorities like Tim Leary, Alan Watts, Ram Dass, jesus, krishnamurti or anybody else have to say, that's a good thing.

My feelings exactly (sorry for the repost):

"Rely not on the teacher/person, but on the teaching.
Rely not on the words of the teaching,
but on the spirit of the words.
Rely not on theory, but on experience.
Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in traditions
because they have been handed down
for many generations by many.
Do not believe in anything because it is
written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything
merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
But after observation and analysis,
when you find that anything agrees with reason
and is conducive to the good
and the benefit of one and all,
then accept it and live up to it."

- the Buddha

MelT

[castaneda]

had forgotten that I'd left the nice poem without a follow up post, even though I'm subscribed to this thread.

just wanted to bump it incase anyone is interested

[smokingjoe68]

Originally Posted by castaneda

had forgotten that I'd left the nice poem without a follow up post, even though I'm subscribed to this thread.

just wanted to bump it incase anyone is interested

I've done way too much acid at a time for my own good once. Buddha sounds like he was a smart guy. I owe you rep. ty. peace

[MelT]

I hate to be the voice of reason. Leary knows much about psychedelics and bugger all about the Tibetan tradition or its experiences. He only touches on a little of it in the initial post here, but a lot of what he says is wrong if its supposedly based on a general buddhist (or even much of Hindu) practice or thought. That isn't to say that whatever experiences he's talking about aren't real and something else, but as someone who follows one of the Tibetan traditions, what he's talking about aren't real experiences of transcendence in the esoteric sense. We can certainly hold up some Tibetan writings and say that there are comparisons, as he used our ideas as source material here and there - but as an outsider he's missed the point of much of it and has misinterpreted much more.

I don't want to nitpick and take the posting apart, it would have to be a very long and involved posting to describe fully what he's saying that's wrong. Long story short: Some LSD experiences have, without doubt, apects of transcendence, but only some. There may well be an 'inner' and 'outer' experience with LSD and others, but if it is either outer or innner, then that experience is not transcendence and it's not anything to do with Tibetan Buddhism.

I know it must seem an arrogant thing to claim more knowledge than Leary on anything, but this is my pet subject and I've given over much of my life to the study and practice of it. I've got nothing to gain from shooting him down, I only hope to warm people not to assume he knows everything on the subject. Tibetan anything it ain't...


MelT

[castaneda]

Originally Posted by MelT

I hate to be the voice of reason. Leary knows much about psychedelics and bugger all about the Tibetan tradition or its experiences. He only touches on a little of it in the initial post here, but a lot of what he says is wrong if its supposedly based on a general buddhist (or even much of Hindu) practice or thought. That isn't to say that whatever experiences he's talking about aren't real and something else, but as someone who follows one of the Tibetan traditions, what he's talking about aren't real experiences of transcendence in the esoteric sense. We can certainly hold up some Tibetan writings and say that there are comparisons, as he used our ideas as source material here and there - but as an outsider he's missed the point of much of it and has misinterpreted much more.

I don't want to nitpick and take the posting apart, it would have to be a very long and involved posting to describe fully what he's saying that's wrong. Long story short: Some LSD experiences have, without doubt, apects of transcendence, but only some. There may well be an 'inner' and 'outer' experience with LSD and others, but if it is either outer or innner, then that experience is not transcendence and it's not anything to do with Tibetan Buddhism.

I know it must seem an arrogant thing to claim more knowledge than Leary on anything, but this is my pet subject and I've given over much of my life to the study and practice of it. I've got nothing to gain from shooting him down, I only hope to warm people not to assume he knows everything on the subject. Tibetan anything it ain't...


MelT

My feelings on the Leary crowd, from what little I know about them - is that they were generally very wacked out, far out people that amazingly affected positive social change.

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