Majority of star systems could harbour life?

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BSetting SETI's Sights II: Abodes for Life?

With the latest discovery of a "Super-Earth" around a dim, red star 15 light years from Earth, SETI scientists have been pondering the implications for their search for intelligence on other worlds. "This planet answers an ancient question," said Geoffrey Marcy, professor of astronomy at the University of California, Berkeley, and leader of the team that discovered the planet, which is seven to eight times the mass of Earth. "Over 2,000 years ago, the Greek philosophers Aristotle and Epicurus argued about whether there were other Earth-like planets. Now, for the first time, we have evidence for a rocky planet around a normal star." Team member Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institution of Washington emphasized the similarity between this most recently detected planet, located around an M star called Gliese 876, and our own world. "This is the smallest extrasolar planet yet detected and the first of a new class of rocky terrestrial planets," he explained. "It's like Earth's bigger cousin."

A Second Chance

For astronomers pondering the possibility of life outside our solar system, the discovery is especially promising due to the sheer number of M stars in our galaxy. "The overwhelming majority of stars are M dwarfs--hundreds of billions in our galaxy alone. This suggests that there could be enormous numbers of planetary habitats capable of sustaining life," said Seth Shostak, Senior Astronomer at the SETI Institute.

But the mere existence of rocky planets isn't enough to ensure the evolution of life. One critical requirement, according to Shostak, is having enough time for life to get underway and then develop into something interesting. "Unlike Sun-like stars, which burn for 10 billion years and then die, M dwarfs live much longer -- as long as 100 billion years," he noted. "So if such stellar runts can occasionally spawn life, the majority of that life will be far older than the biology of our own planet. The most ancient, and potentially most interesting life might be found in the neighborhoods of M stars."

Long-lived planets may be especially important for the evolution of life, given the devastating effects of periodic asteroid and meteor impacts. For example, many scientists believe that the massive asteroid that hit Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula 65 million years ago was responsible for the wholesale extinction of dinosaurs. That catastrophe opened the way for the proliferation of mammals on Earth, eventually resulting in humankind. But on other worlds, such chance events might have obliterated an even greater variety of complex life, perhaps effectively stopping the evolution of intelligence—at least on planets with only modest lifetimes.

Given the longevity of M stars, however, complex life on worlds circling such stars might get a second chance. "If evolution happens at a very slow pace, or if many times evolution gets started and gets truncated, because of some extinction events," explained Jill Tarter, Director of SETI Research at the SETI Institute, "planets around M stars may get more than one chance, and they may be able to accommodate a slower evolutionary mode and still end up with telescope builders."

The planet's mass could easily hold onto an atmosphere," noted Gregory Laughlin, speaking about the newly discovered planet around Gliese 876. "It would still be considered a rocky planet, probably with an iron core and a silicon mantle. It could even have a dense steamy water layer," said Laughlin, an assistant professor of astronomy at UC Santa Cruz and a member of the discovery team. Along with 40 other scientists, he will be attending a workshop at the SETI Institute from July 18-20, 2005, with the mandate to consider whether M stars might provide suitable conditions to sustain life on circling planets—an idea previously dismissed because of tidal locking and the intense radiation that life on closely orbiting worlds would have to endure. In Butler's view, the latest planet detection is likely to be the first of many similar discoveries. "So far we find almost no Jupiter-mass planets among the M dwarf stars we've been observing," he noted, "which suggests that, instead, there is going to be a large population of smaller mass planets." And depending on the results of next month's meeting at the SETI Institute, this may result in a much long list of target stars for the search for civilizations beyond Earth.

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We're gonna see some cool stuff in our lifetime.

[greyface5555]

With a universe so big, we were bound to find something... even if just relying on random chance. Just another step toward the "anything is possible" philosphy, which I find a startling number of people don't see eye to eye with.

[D9_THC]

Most likely, life is very common throughout the universe. But most likely, 99.999% of all life will be simple, amoebic single celled organisms. Over the past twenty years, we've learned that there is almost nowhere on earth that simple life doesn't exist. From the coldest parts of Antarctica, to the volcanic vents under the oceans which can reach temperatured in excess of 200 degress celcius. These kinds of life forms are called 'extremophiles' because they thrive in what we would think of as extreme conditions.
But the fact of the matter is. that OUR habitat is extreme. Freezing places, and extremely hot places where extremophiles live, are far more common places than the climate we live in.

So perhaps, we are the 'extremophiles'!

I believe that life is probably a normal thing in the universe. But intelligent life, be it as intelligent as a mouse, as intelligent as us, or perhaps even more intelligent.
This, I don't think is common. It takes millions, even billions of years for a lifeform such as humans to evolve, and then that's not even including the time it takes for civilisation, society and technology to develop.

Life, I think, could possibly exist on almost every planet, hot or cold. But intelligent life, I think is 1 in a billion.

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Not necessarily. Your average M star has a much longer life then ours, meaning that most organisms have had billions and billions of years to evolve. In fact close to six times more time then we've had on earth, even if they were hit by numerous catastrophic events.

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Originally Posted by D9_THC

I believe that life is probably a normal thing in the universe. But intelligent life, be it as intelligent as a mouse, as intelligent as us, or perhaps even more intelligent.
This, I don't think is common. It takes millions, even billions of years for a lifeform such as humans to evolve, and then that's not even including the time it takes for civilisation, society and technology to develop.

Life, I think, could possibly exist on almost every planet, hot or cold. But intelligent life, I think is 1 in a billion.

I think that reasoning like that is human nature, the most intelligent humans are realists and only believe in what can be proven, because why believe firmly in what we don't know.

That's why so many people become atheists because they just can't comprehend what they can't know and see for sure. I'm not saying your wrong infact i'm just like you, but within all logical reason there has to be nearly infinite things in our universe and even beyond it that we are not only incapable of proving but also incapable of even understanding.

Although I can't get myself to believe in a life beyond ourselves or after ourselves in the core of my thoughts I still hold on to my agnosticism and believe that anything is possible to the best of my ability.