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stoned_soldier · #1 (**permalink**) 06-29-2005, 10:32 PM

ok, so suppose that God, Heaven, Lucifer, and hell exist (according to the Bible)..

God decides who goes to heaven and who goes to hell (out of Lucifer's power to decide).. evil comes from within and not from the devil (free will) and all Lucifer can do is tempt us (supposedly).. so when people go to hell Lucifer has a blast with them and puts them through hell..

now God sends people there to punish them and what Lucifer does is exactly that, whether he realizes it or not.. he does it purely for kicks, i would think..

so Lucifer, by his own idiocy and vice DOES GOD'S WILL..

now, if he doesn't know he's doing god's will, he is really dumb and tunnel-visioned in his own "fun" of ruining people's time in hell
but, if he does know he's doing god's will, he must be depressed that he can't help but be himself, torturing all those damned souls..

this of course is a hypothetical, i don't believe in any of the above.. but it's interesting to see how trapped Lucifer is in his own predicament.. God pretty much punished Lucifer to an eternity of torturing lost souls in hell.. now does this mean that God is using Lucifer for his own sadist purposes without being the blame for what goes on in hell?

Spasmolytik · #2 (**permalink**) 06-29-2005, 11:17 PM

The fact that God is all-knowing makes him the sadist, because he knows the souls he creates will eventually be damned for eternity.

Peace Pipe · #3 (**permalink**) 06-30-2005, 12:04 AM

Doesn't make God look to good in my eyes, however if there is a god I would think hes above knowledge and would be more like energy or something we can't comprehend.

So I think its hard to compare god intentions and motives with ours because he has to transcend those.

Mr Skinner · #4 (**permalink**) 06-30-2005, 02:35 AM

I'm not too sure, but I think after Lucifer defied god, god banned him from heaven and sent him to reign in hell. I dunno about the torturing, but stuff like purgatory isn't mentioned i the bible. It's a medievil thing.

Do you know how much hell's described i the bible? How much punishment is there?

But yes...Lucifer would be doing god's bidding if it were as you said.

anarkin · #5 (**permalink**) 06-30-2005, 06:21 AM

See its things like this that aren't supposed to be brought up. relegion is based on not asking questions. The second one starts thinking for themselves they can easily see loopholes such as this in the bible and in alot of other relegions.

stoned_soldier · #6 (**permalink**) 06-30-2005, 06:21 PM

these questions aren't supposed to be asked, you say? what species are you man? i'm human, i'm a curious animal that can think, reason, etc.. these questions are asked for the sake of doing it, i'm not serious about this ^ above but it kinda makes one wonder.. the only way God can weasel his way out of this one is if he's not all-good and not all-knowing..

religion and faith closes off one's mind and that's a "sin" to me, to not use one's brain in any useful way.. just believing in something doesn't mean one is right..

IGotTheCottons · #7 (**permalink**) 07-01-2005, 04:15 PM

It's not Lucifer that punishes us in hell... Lucifer dwells on the earth "walking to and fro" (Job), and he also has access to heaven and stands before God...

From scripture you can find that Lucifer fell AFTER the creation of man. Angels were made to serve God and us, and we are held in higher regards to God than the angels are. A lot of people believe that this is where Lucifer fell. His jealousy and pride (as he was the most beautiful of all God's creation) caused his fall, and because of that he hates God's creation (man) and wants to see us destroyed. This is why he wants to bring as many of us to hell with him as possible... To hurt God.

savage_goose · #8 (**permalink**) 07-03-2005, 04:31 AM

ouch

poor god

Rezinn · #9 (**permalink**) 07-03-2005, 05:18 PM

u know how they were saying hell is a "lake of fire"?? Well, now they're saying all hell is, is you're just reliving all your sins as they torment you mentally. So, I don't think anyone really knows whut hell is. Also (I know this cuz I'm an ex-satanist) Lucifer and Satan are 2 different beings. There's 4 crown princes of Hell: Satan, Lucifer, Belial, and Leviathan. So yeah, pretty fucked up. Religion confuses me too much and it's full of hypocrisy, so I'm no longer religious. I went from catholic (before the Priest/Alter Boy scandal), to Satanist, to whutever I'd be classified right now.

WestCoastStoner · #10 (**permalink**) 07-03-2005, 05:31 PM

i think of God and the Devil as metaphors for good and evil...........that simple...........

hotsauc3 · #11 (**permalink**) 07-04-2005, 05:54 AM

Quote:

u know how they were saying hell is a "lake of fire"?? Well, now they're saying all hell is, is you're just reliving all your sins as they torment you mentally. So, I don't think anyone really knows whut hell is. Also (I know this cuz I'm an ex-satanist) Lucifer and Satan are 2 different beings. There's 4 crown princes of Hell: Satan, Lucifer, Belial, and Leviathan. So yeah, pretty fucked up. Religion confuses me too much and it's full of hypocrisy, so I'm no longer religious. I went from catholic (before the Priest/Alter Boy scandal), to Satanist, to whutever I'd be classified right now.

Satanism is reverse christianity. Even Luciferism doesn't share the christian views of the devil. Another reason why the christian religion (along with many others) is topsy turvy.

Just remember there's alot more out there then the good/evil, god/devil, little world. These beliefs are walls thrown up by man and maintained over centuries. Despite being a bit ridiculous.

Mr Skinner · #12 (**permalink**) 07-04-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hotsauc3

Satanism is reverse christianity.

Nope...it's an egocentrical philosophy...with no intention to harm anyone. And they don't believe in god, as you'd have to do if it were reverse christianity. Wanna read up on it, try the satanic bible...

WestCoastStoner · #13 (**permalink**) 07-04-2005, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Skinner

Nope...it's an egocentrical philosophy...with no intention to harm anyone. And they don't believe in god, as you'd have to do if it were reverse christianity. Wanna read up on it, try the satanic bible...

yeah, this guy i work with was tellin me a whole thing on satanic religions......somewhere along the lines of being misunderstood......i dont remember what he said exactly, really i dont remember a word he said.........but i remember him tellin me shit about that............

shagra · #14 (**permalink**) 07-04-2005, 07:17 PM

a modern sense of satanism isn't devil-worship, but self-worship. fuck whatever anyone else wants and deal with life in the way that benefits you most.

Mr Skinner · #15 (**permalink**) 07-04-2005, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shagra

a modern sense of satanism isn't devil-worship, but self-worship. fuck whatever anyone else wants and deal with life in the way that benefits you most.

My point exactly.

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#1 (permalink) 06-29-2005, 10:32 PM
stoned_soldier BOOGA BOOGA!! jaywalker Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: T..O.. Posts: 3,181	Lucifer, damned to his own hell ok, so suppose that God, Heaven, Lucifer, and hell exist (according to the Bible).. God decides who goes to heaven and who goes to hell (out of Lucifer's power to decide).. evil comes from within and not from the devil (free will) and all Lucifer can do is tempt us (supposedly).. so when people go to hell Lucifer has a blast with them and puts them through hell.. now God sends people there to punish them and what Lucifer does is exactly that, whether he realizes it or not.. he does it purely for kicks, i would think.. so Lucifer, by his own idiocy and vice DOES GOD'S WILL.. now, if he doesn't know he's doing god's will, he is really dumb and tunnel-visioned in his own "fun" of ruining people's time in hell but, if he does know he's doing god's will, he must be depressed that he can't help but be himself, torturing all those damned souls.. this of course is a hypothetical, i don't believe in any of the above.. but it's interesting to see how trapped Lucifer is in his own predicament.. God pretty much punished Lucifer to an eternity of torturing lost souls in hell.. now does this mean that God is using Lucifer for his own sadist purposes without being the blame for what goes on in hell? __________________ "And don't criticize what you can't understand." - Bob Dylan "I am what I am." - Popeye http://kristos.150m.com http://www.soundclick.com/preachercreature www.myspace.com/preachercreaturegta www.myspace.com/bonsaiforestry

#2 (permalink) 06-29-2005, 11:17 PM
Spasmolytik The Sweet Pariah Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 678	The fact that God is all-knowing makes him the sadist, because he knows the souls he creates will eventually be damned for eternity.

#3 (permalink) 06-30-2005, 12:04 AM
Peace Pipe Brian Jonestown Massacre! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 932	Doesn't make God look to good in my eyes, however if there is a god I would think hes above knowledge and would be more like energy or something we can't comprehend. So I think its hard to compare god intentions and motives with ours because he has to transcend those.

#4 (permalink) 06-30-2005, 02:35 AM
Mr Skinner High Society Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,959	I'm not too sure, but I think after Lucifer defied god, god banned him from heaven and sent him to reign in hell. I dunno about the torturing, but stuff like purgatory isn't mentioned i the bible. It's a medievil thing. Do you know how much hell's described i the bible? How much punishment is there? But yes...Lucifer would be doing god's bidding if it were as you said. __________________ Marijuana doesn't lead to other drugs - it leads to carpentry! Denis Leary

#5 (permalink) 06-30-2005, 06:21 AM
anarkin I Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 2,044 Blog Entries: 1	See its things like this that aren't supposed to be brought up. relegion is based on not asking questions. The second one starts thinking for themselves they can easily see loopholes such as this in the bible and in alot of other relegions. __________________ Be exactly who you want to be, do what you want to do I am he and she is she but you're the only you No one else has got your eyes, can see the things you see It's up to you to change your life and my life's up to me The problems that you suffer from are problems that you make The shit we have to climb through is the shit we choose to take If you don't like the life you live, change it now it's yours Nothing has effects if you don't recognize the cause

#6 (permalink) 06-30-2005, 06:21 PM
stoned_soldier BOOGA BOOGA!! jaywalker Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: T..O.. Posts: 3,181	these questions aren't supposed to be asked, you say? what species are you man? i'm human, i'm a curious animal that can think, reason, etc.. these questions are asked for the sake of doing it, i'm not serious about this ^ above but it kinda makes one wonder.. the only way God can weasel his way out of this one is if he's not all-good and not all-knowing.. religion and faith closes off one's mind and that's a "sin" to me, to not use one's brain in any useful way.. just believing in something doesn't mean one is right.. __________________ "And don't criticize what you can't understand." - Bob Dylan "I am what I am." - Popeye http://kristos.150m.com http://www.soundclick.com/preachercreature www.myspace.com/preachercreaturegta www.myspace.com/bonsaiforestry

#7 (permalink) 07-01-2005, 04:15 PM
IGotTheCottons I'm a motherfuckin RAVER! Join Date: May 2002 Location: The edge of sanity Posts: 11,484 Blog Entries: 2	It's not Lucifer that punishes us in hell... Lucifer dwells on the earth "walking to and fro" (Job), and he also has access to heaven and stands before God... From scripture you can find that Lucifer fell AFTER the creation of man. Angels were made to serve God and us, and we are held in higher regards to God than the angels are. A lot of people believe that this is where Lucifer fell. His jealousy and pride (as he was the most beautiful of all God's creation) caused his fall, and because of that he hates God's creation (man) and wants to see us destroyed. This is why he wants to bring as many of us to hell with him as possible... To hurt God. __________________ Yesterday is not ours to recover but tomorrow is ours to win or lose. - Lyndon B Johnson Sickboy: And to OP, When it comes to dating the only person you can trust 100% is yourself. holyrollers: Soooo.. you're saying he should date himself? Asexual ftw?

#8 (permalink) 07-03-2005, 04:31 AM
savage_goose unicorn huntress Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Northern Lights Posts: 347	ouch poor god

#9 (permalink) 07-03-2005, 05:18 PM
Rezinn Smokin' Hydro Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southwest, MI - USA Posts: 161	u know how they were saying hell is a "lake of fire"?? Well, now they're saying all hell is, is you're just reliving all your sins as they torment you mentally. So, I don't think anyone really knows whut hell is. Also (I know this cuz I'm an ex-satanist) Lucifer and Satan are 2 different beings. There's 4 crown princes of Hell: Satan, Lucifer, Belial, and Leviathan. So yeah, pretty fucked up. Religion confuses me too much and it's full of hypocrisy, so I'm no longer religious. I went from catholic (before the Priest/Alter Boy scandal), to Satanist, to whutever I'd be classified right now. __________________

#10 (permalink) 07-03-2005, 05:31 PM
WestCoastStoner I Got The Burner Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California Posts: 786	i think of God and the Devil as metaphors for good and evil...........that simple........... __________________ "shit, i prolly been thru more treez than Tarzan"- Lloyd Banks "u know bitches at the mall, get they hoochie on, that why i stick to Mary Jane cus she aint never do me wrong....."-Me muthafucka, do somethin!!!

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#14 (permalink) 07-04-2005, 07:17 PM
shagra flux chuckin' mountain mo Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: TO Posts: 1,527	a modern sense of satanism isn't devil-worship, but self-worship. fuck whatever anyone else wants and deal with life in the way that benefits you most. __________________ -shagra