does fate exist?

[Icarus]

Hi.
Well I'm from the netherlands and not the best in writing english so please don't mind the spelling and just try to make sense of the story.
One day I was thinking: Nothing can't exist, what I mean by nothing is something that is not, I mean: there can't be nothing.
Also: nothing can be created out of nothing.
think about it; how can you create something out of nothing.
We know but little of how this universe ( and everything else if there is more ) works, and so these statements are only 'ifs' if nothing can be created out of nothing.
Then there must be fate.
Why?
Because this means that everything that happens anywhere in the universe is the reaction to all the other things happening in this universe.
If you knip your fingers that will affect all the other things in this universe ( some things it will affect but EXTREMELY little, but everything will be effected by it )
Everything that exists affects every other thing that exists and so forming a chainreaction.
You can't do something for no reason at all ( altough it seems like that to you sometimes, but every tiny bit of the universe is affecting you, and you just follow the chain reaction )
for doing something without any reason, known or unknown is the same as creating something out of nothing which is impossible.

So if you calculate everything that all things that exist do then you could predict what will happen next.
( well, you can't calculate everything, but if you could....)
there: you have Fate!

My bad english doesn't allow me to better make myself clear, but just try to understand what I'm saying with this.

Well this is just a theory with a lot of holes and flaws, based on things that we know nothing about and so not really valid, but it came to my mind suddenly and I thought It was nice

well that's all folks!

[Mr Skinner]

Originally Posted by Icarus

if nothing can be created out of nothing.
Then there must be fate.

I think that one's a bit thin...

Originally Posted by Icarus

If you knip your fingers that will affect all the other things in this universe
Everything that exists affects every other thing that exists and so forming a chainreaction.
You can't do something for no reason at all ( altough it seems like that to you sometimes, but every tiny bit of the universe is affecting you, and you just follow the chain reaction )

That one's even thinner.

You take away free will. You reduce everyting to mechanical movement. A mechanical chain reaction. That's not what moves my muscles right now.

Originally Posted by Icarus

So if you calculate everything that all things that exist do then you could predict what will happen next.

Read up on Quantum-mechanics and you will see that this is impossible. There will be instability.

[Peace Pipe]

I dont believe in fate, I dont know why but it doesn;t seem real to me.

[Natural Mystic]

I answer the question of fate with a line from a poem I wrote; don't know if y'all will understand it though..

"self create sounds of fate"

[Peace Pipe]

Originally Posted by Natural Mystic

"self create sounds of fate"

Does this mean we make our own fate?

[Natural Mystic]

Yea... maybe it isn't so deep after all

But also that our lives are sorta like a song, and we create our song every day, so yea you got it.

[aH1GH3Rpower]

I kinda see what your getting at. But i was thinking that maybe we can do what we want like decide to steal cereal out of the back of a semi-truck (personal example). But maybe that pisses off the truck driver who then gets mad and distracted and because of this gets into a car accident. So what im saying is that what your saying in general could be true, but i dont think that chewing on your fingure effects everything in the univers.

There is a flaw in what i just said though cause maybe there was a chain of events through childhood or even just something that could of influenced me that day which made me decide to jack some cereal. So maybe some things we decide and some are decided for us but i dont think that its possible to ever find this out so you just gotta go with it and hope for the best.

I thought of a good example too, its from a movie i saw called 'pie' the math sign not the word. And in the movie he pours some cream into a cup of coffee and it spirals all over and makes a trippy looking swirls of random-ness. In those swirls there was the initial pour into the cup that gets it going and from there on defects in the coffee or cream pushing other cream and so on just keeps it going in defferent directions till it gets to the point where it stops moving. Maybe life is just a big version of this and there was the initial BANG (big bang) and it was so huge that were still twirling around and going out of control.

Just my thoughts on the matter

[IGotTheCottons]

I believe in fate to an extent.

[metal_head46]

I don't believe in fate at all. God gave man free will, which sets as apart from any other living creature. Because of this, he placed our lives in our own hands, allowing us to set our own path in life. To me, free will is more like a "test". With free will, we make our own decisions in life and as a result, we live with the consequences, whether they be good or bad. I believe that fate is just an idea which comforts some people because they like to beleive that god has already planned out their lives for them. Maybe this doesn't make sense but I guess I just can't comprehend that our life has already been preprogrammed even before birth...

[hahamoha]

Originally Posted by metal_head46

I don't believe in fate at all. God gave man free will, which sets as apart from any other living creature. Because of this, he placed our lives in our own hands, allowing us to set our own path in life. To me, free will is more like a "test". With free will, we make our own decisions in life and as a result, we live with the consequences, whether they be good or bad. I believe that fate is just an idea which comforts some people because they like to beleive that god has already planned out their lives for them. Maybe this doesn't make sense but I guess I just can't comprehend that our life has already been preprogrammed even before birth...

Yes, but isn't it fate that we even have free will to begin with? What IS free will? Free will could be our interpretation of fate itself.

[hotsauc3]

The argument seems a tad flimsy. The amount of variables makes it all but impossible to calculate the future.
One action may cause a reaction but that's just the transference of energy. I have the ability to decide on the original action. Still with me..?

As human beings we are capable of achieving the infinite. Remember, "No composites are solid, strive earnestly."

[Peace Pipe]

Originally Posted by metal_head46

I don't believe in fate at all. God gave man free will, which sets as apart from any other living creature. Because of this, he placed our lives in our own hands, allowing us to set our own path in life. To me, free will is more like a "test". With free will, we make our own decisions in life and as a result, we live with the consequences, whether they be good or bad. I believe that fate is just an idea which comforts some people because they like to beleive that god has already planned out their lives for them. Maybe this doesn't make sense but I guess I just can't comprehend that our life has already been preprogrammed even before birth...

I don't mean to hate but...

Was it god who told you what power we have over free-will?

Do other living beings not have free-will according to your beliefs? I feel it is ignorant to say that animals do not have the same spiritual importance and meaningfullness as us just because they are not as intelligent, for all we know there is a being in existance that is 100 times more intelligent than us, is it right for him to say we do not have free-will because our i.q. cannot compete with his. Spirituality and inteligence are completely relative even within our own race. And because god is not human if he is real why would he discrminate against all other beings besides humans?

With all decisions come consequences, this does not mean that fate doesn't exist. If fate were real than due to human relationships fates would have to be a infinitely huge web of interactions and consequences from one being to another.

Although I too do not believe in fate it is completely impossible to say it isn't real.

peace-

[SilenceStrikes]

I believe in fate. I didn't used to. But:

Last year, in the beginning of June, I went camping with my boyfriend and his people. He ditched me to go fishing with his moron friends. I ended up around the campfire, talking to a girl in the group... She says "Hey, you live close to Latham" and I'm like "yeah." So, she goes on to say "When I was little, I had a boyfriend who moved away to Latham, and I never saw him again. His name was Brian."

The boyfriend and I broke up a week later. I ended up going to Latham to drink beer with some of my friends. Brian was there. I told him I knew his girlfriend from the first grade. We've been together ever since, and I think if it weren't for Megan, he wouldn't have been interested in me.

Maybe it's cheesy, but I do think that's fate.

[fighters2]

i think that fate is tied into free-will. say if i where to get cought smoking there was something that lead me up to that desision "fate" if i use what i think of is as free will i can try to be more steath like and down the road that would most likey pay off with a less chance of getting cought again, more than if i wanst as steath. so i think the desisions you make will with effect you later at a point.

[Mr Skinner]

Originally Posted by fighters2

i think that fate is tied into free-will.

Rotflmao...