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KronosX · #16 (**permalink**) 06-20-2002, 06:29 PM

I think that large organized religions like Christianity give religion in general a bad name. There are religions out there that don't think that theirs is better than anyone elses or that theirs is right and others are wrong, but you have to find them with an open mind. My father is a Buddhist and he has told me quite a bit about his religion. Instead of praying to a god that has never proven his existance to you, you meditate and look within yourself to find answers. However, this religion also teaches you to accept all others regardless of what they beleive in or how they live their lives. I don't follow any religion at this point in my life, but I feel that one day when I am older I will turn to some kind of belief system and the first one on my list will definitely be Buddhism.

cradleofganja · #17 (**permalink**) 06-20-2002, 06:31 PM

"In the bullshit department, a business man cannot hold a candle to a clergy man. When it comes to bullshit, big time, major league bullshit you have to stand in awe, in awe of the all time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion, no contest. Religion has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Religion has actually convinced people that there is an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, and has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do, and if you do any of these things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and anguish, where he will send you to burn and suffer and burn and scream and choke for ever and ever until the end of time ... but he loves you. To those of you who look to the Bible for its literary qualities and moral lessons, I have a couple of other stories that I'd like to recommend to you. You might enjoy the Three Little Pigs -- that's a nice one with a happy ending --Little Red Riding Hood. And I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best "and all the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no god"

Mayor_LaLa · #18 (**permalink**) 06-20-2002, 11:48 PM

Religion, in the modern sense of the word, is in MHO the evil that men perpetuate (sic) on one another to keep control.

I do believe in GOD, and it pretty much ends there for me.

I don't trust what is written in the BIBLE because it has gone through numerous translations, from ancient languages, and I am expected to believe that it has been translated and preserved in its original context? Balderdash!

I do believe that GOD expects me to live by certian rules of conduct, but I believe that those rules are an individual aspect. What I might consider bad, might not be such a bad thing in your books. I have no right to cram my belief down your throat.

I was raised in a religious home. We went to church on Sunday, prayed over every meal, and were taught the "evils" of the world, one just so happened to be pot, go figure!
I have a had a hard time seperating my families teachings, from what I now believe.

My feelings are simply.... there is a GOD, he is a GOD that loves me, and only wants the best for me, beyond that I am neither ready nor able to comprehend more.

ZeRoCooL · #19 (**permalink**) 06-21-2002, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cradleofganja
"In the bullshit department, a business man cannot hold a candle to a clergy man. When it comes to bullshit, big time, major league bullshit you have to stand in awe, in awe of the all time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion, no contest. Religion has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Religion has actually convinced people that there is an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, and has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do, and if you do any of these things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and anguish, where he will send you to burn and suffer and burn and scream and choke for ever and ever until the end of time ... but he loves you. To those of you who look to the Bible for its literary qualities and moral lessons, I have a couple of other stories that I'd like to recommend to you. You might enjoy the Three Little Pigs -- that's a nice one with a happy ending --Little Red Riding Hood. And I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best "and all the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no god"

*stands up and claps*

Merlin420 · #20 (**permalink**) 06-21-2002, 03:19 AM

I think that there is a god,in other religons,for catholic for example,haha,what a croock. I think that god should be realize threw your own self, god is in side you. as far a other religons in the east, lets say, hinduism, the belive god is light and sound,in differernt realms. thats my opinion and facts later~

CaptCannabis420 · #21 (**permalink**) 06-21-2002, 05:42 PM

After alot of thinking and getting high, I've come to a belief that there is a god, and he wanted to feel something. So he drew together imense erergy which created the big bang, created the universe, and he created intelegent life so that he could live inside of us and feel things, experience eveything. He lives inside of all of us, inside of every living thing ever since life was born from micro-organisms, he lives in bactaria, viruses, frogs, humans, apes, every living thing. I not think that there is a heaven or a hell, I believe that when you die only your spirit lives on, the god inside you. I don't think I can say what happens from there, perhaps that spiritual-god part of you moves on to a new human or anamil that has been born. And you are in a sense 'reincarnated' however, you can't remember your previous life because the memories of that life are simply a decaying brain in another body under the ground.

Or perhaps you become everything.. like energy? fuck i wish i knew, it bugs me not to know what the truth really is... cuz im sure im probably wrong.

Mayor_LaLa · #22 (**permalink**) 06-21-2002, 08:15 PM

Hey Cappy! Have a question for you in relation to your very last post. Why must you know everything? Maybe the reason there is so much religious BS is because the human mind is not capable of truely understanding GOD.

Here is something from a book I have been reading:

1: Be impeciable (sic) with your word.
**meaning, don't use your words against other people, and don't let their words affect you in such a way, that you begin to hide your true self.

2: Don't take anything personal.
** meaning, stop thinking that everything is about you. If someone acts like an ASS to you, don't automatically assume that it has something to do with YOU.
(this is a hard one for me to abide by, but I am working on it

)

3: Don't make assumptions.
**and not for the reason many people quote, lol. It means, don't assume the worse, or at least that is the way I think of it, in order to help me with the second.

4: Always do your best.
** and know that your best will change depending on "how" you are doing. When you are sick, you best will not be the same as when you are well, so don't beat yourself up over it.

These four little, common sense statements have helped in every aspect of my life. You should check out Don Miguel Ruiz's book "The Four Agreements" if you are interested in learning more, or you can ask me, although I only just began reading the book a week ago.

ZeRoCooL · #23 (**permalink**) 06-22-2002, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CaptCannabis420
After alot of thinking and getting high, I've come to a belief that there is a god, and he wanted to feel something. So he drew together imense erergy which created the big bang, created the universe, and he created intelegent life so that he could live inside of us and feel things, experience eveything. He lives inside of all of us, inside of every living thing ever since life was born from micro-organisms, he lives in bactaria, viruses, frogs, humans, apes, every living thing. I not think that there is a heaven or a hell, I believe that when you die only your spirit lives on, the god inside you. I don't think I can say what happens from there, perhaps that spiritual-god part of you moves on to a new human or anamil that has been born. And you are in a sense 'reincarnated' however, you can't remember your previous life because the memories of that life are simply a decaying brain in another body under the ground.

Or perhaps you become everything.. like energy? fuck i wish i knew, it bugs me not to know what the truth really is... cuz im sure im probably wrong.

You basically described Taoism, sort of. Where God representing Tao.

Sandra · #24 (**permalink**) 06-28-2002, 02:12 AM

Is there a God? No. Just replace God with Hope and we'll talk. Isn't what some people call God just a projection of all our fears and hopes? To be left alone with all those questions... no explanation for so many things surrounding us day by day... Those who are desperate for answers might turn to a religion for relief, but those who can simply accept that they can't explain everything don't need a religion at all, no God, nothing. Stay curious, but don't make up something like a surperior force, I'd say.
Just accept, that we only remotely understand where we come from and how the universe is put together. It's just beyond our capabilities to even detect the necessary information simply because we don't know what we're looking for due to our restricted senses. Being a natural scientist myself (physical chemistry), I know that we can widen those detection limits a little by various methods, but that's it, it's really just a little. And almost everything else is based on models some guys came up with in the past. Schrödinger came up with THE fundamental equation which formed the base for quantum mechanics in the mid 20s (I think). It's not much more than E(Phi) = H (Phi). In it's simplicity as beautiful as Einstein's. But... totally theoretical. Noone has yet proved it wrong, cause you can't. It's based on theoretical assumptions and if you start questioning these assumptions you have to come up with a new model.

BTW, anybody interested in Quantum Mechanics should start with the popular 'Schrödinger's cat'-situation. And/or read Douglas Addams.

Digit · #25 (**permalink**) 06-28-2002, 05:24 AM

k, I'm gonna jump back a huge section here

When Captain cannabis wrote:
This reminds me of a show called 'beyond human limits' on the discovery channel. There was one incident where a woman had to have surgery on her brain and they surgeons had to surgicaly stop the beating of her heart for 10 hours.. This made her medically 'dead' unable to create dreams, brainwaves, or hallucinations. The surgeons would then medically start the beat of the heart again, to bring her back to life. She reported during the 10 hours that she came out of her body and could see the surgeons working on her, and was able to describe the tools they had used, and actions that went on. She reported other psychodelic experienced, as if she was simply energy, she was everything and nothing. People ask well why didn't she go to heaven, or be reincarnated, or watever.. why was she not going anywhere, just sort of 'hanging around'. My theory is very simple, because that was not destined to happen. The universe new her fate, doctors would ellectically re-start the heart. So she stayed there, hovering above her body, as she awaited her 'shell' to be brought back to life. Anyways, thats my theory on the whole post-death experience. Did anyone else see this show? I hope this stuff didn't sound to deep and twisted, I thought this all up when i was stoned.

---that hypothosys really got me a bit itchy fingered... so get ready for a keyboard bashing! despite the question like tone, this was writen by someone who asumes the existance of god, or at the very least an afterlife. my hypothosys is differant. if there is no possable way of there being any brain activity in the patient, we can look around for other sources of power to transport this information about. And asuming the brainfunctions of the patient we'rent just floating about above the opperation, we could asume that the energy provided by all those present in the room (doctors & nurses) was enough to somehow acheive this. stranger things have been accomplished both in meditation and out. why did the "spirit" not float away, check out whats going on in the other rooms? because the doctors & nurses whom the patients energies were tied to didn't move. My second hypothosis is somewhat similar to that of a "god beleiver's" the patient was capable of sharing energies outside his/her body. This is somethign every human can do. some of us learn to do this at lower levels during meditation and other practices, but as the patient nedded absolutely no energy to run either brain or body, it seemed like the whole consiousness trancended from the body, either into the air and other non living matter or into the surrounding people (back to something like my first hypothosis). from this i have drawn a third theory... trans dimensional mind travel (if you have ever studied Dr Hofmans -(and various other specialists in this area)- work or experienced an LSD trip in an isolation tank you may have some knowledge on this and similar theories). If we conclude (from various scientific theorys, of which chaos being the major) that there are an infinate number of dimensions, then within that infinity there has to be (by the very nature of true infinity) a dimension where the patient was floating in that position in air and perhaps also being opperated upon on the opperating table!

Sorry if it sounds like i'm putting a scientific theory to things other people simply like to label as spiritual... but... that's what i'm doing. to simply call it spiritual is but ony ONE step beyond saying it's either god's work or the devil!

Digit
ps, i shal now continue to read the rest of this very interesting thread.
pps Phunkyphil seems to have a good grasp of logic and (from what i've read so far) seems right on the money!

Digit · #26 (**permalink**) 06-28-2002, 06:29 AM

i think one day i'll turn into some kinda taoist hybrid.

37flthd · #27 (**permalink**) 06-28-2002, 01:40 PM

Hey, digit! I think we're onto something here. When I was a kid, I used to have frequent 'dreams' where I would leave my body and buzz around the neighborhood, city, region and then start heading straight up as things below got smaller and smaller, when I would wake up gasping for breath and soaked with sweat. I cruised through a new kid's house one night, noting some details as I went. The next day, I pulled the kid aside and gave him a replay as I remembered it, and we were both amazed at the accuracy of my description of things I saw that I never actually had any right to know, since I'd never been in his house before. Considering that we only use a minute portion of our brains anyway, and from what I've read most involuntary travel occurs in the early years, while minds are still fresh and not subjected to the 'noise' of whatever our environment brings to the table. When we are dying, it seems that things are back to the more simplistic, or receptive state that we enjoyed as children. Even as we meditate as adults, we have the ability to create in our minds a stillness and rest like nothing we can achieve through conventional sleep. We can literally create a world to our liking, with sounds, smells and sights all in our minds. Doesn't that make us god-like? Just a thought. Personally, I feel that we're all misplaced royalty, holding court daily in our minds.

Digit · #28 (**permalink**) 07-01-2002, 02:10 AM

why do we have the socket (but obviously no hole in our skulls) and all the brain connectors for a third eye? and why doesn't it connect to an eye? its cause this is the tool in which we impliment our only TWO WAY sence. yup u all heard me. our "sixth sence" is directly related to that part of our brain and works both ways. we can take information in and we can put information out. but it isn't so much like that. if what i have just described could be called a DC power source (that can be reversed), it really functions as an AC power... not really flowing in any dirrection but just being there.

popi420 · #29 (**permalink**) 07-01-2002, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by CaptCannabis420
eh.. actually many religions are totaly different from each other.. Some, like mormans do not believe in birthday partys, dancing, celebrating of any kind.. there like damn hermits.. and then take a look at the rastafarians, they believe that there god is black, and that god made blacks the supreme race (hah) and there religion is to sit on there ass and smoke pot.. (a new law now gives rastafarians the freedom to legally sit on there ass and smoke pot in federall parks in america).

So many religions, its not possible for 1 to be right.

they believe that there god is black, and that god made blacks the supreme race (hah) -Why would that be funny,I'm not a rasta but who's to say their wrong? I believe that God has no race because he is not in human form but i spirit in all of us.

mulli_melli · #30 (**permalink**) 07-02-2002, 07:50 AM

I worked with this lady who had mastered the art of astral travel. She used to live in Germany and attend parties etc in Australia.

I met another lady when I was grape picking downsouth, and she used also travel outta her body and talk to her 'guide' who would explain all sorts of things to her. She was a very strange lady. She did spiritual healing on me once, cause I was going through a emotional rough patch. She told me about all my past lives and how I'd been emotionally hurt alot of times and I was carrying it around with me from life to life. As I said she was a out there sort of person!

I also have a close friend who taught herself to leave her body. Once she was out, she met a Indian 'guide' who taught her how to move about. She said it was really hard to steer herself. She went down to the local primary school a few blocks from her house and came across this group of people who seemed to be having some kind of meeting. She said they looked kinda pissed that she was running a muck all over the joint.

Lots of werid stories out there, just have to come across such people. But one thing they all mentioned was that it wasn't to be messed with, that there are bad things out there, evil things.

For example the lady who used to live in Germany, said she normally went straight out the window and across. BUT one time she went straight up and hit this huge spider web, she got tangled, the more she moved the more tangled she became. She said it scared the hell out of her.

The stange grape picking lady said a spirit jumped into her body while she was out, but when she returned her spirit pushed the other out as it was her body and she had more rights to it. Fuck that....

My friend with the Indian guide said she saw this old lady pushing a shopping trolly full of junk along the side walk, when she got closer, the old lady turned her head and it wasn't human but a monster looking thing, ugly as hell. It scared her and she never travelled again.

So my conclusion is to give the whole astral travel, outta body experiences a BIG miss. It is obviuosly possible, but a world or dimension we don't know alot about. Whose to say these 'guides' people meet are as evil as the old women. Bad spirits out to delude you. You never know...I guess.

I noticed at the site www.Beliefnet.com that Amanita told us about, was full of stories where people had met there guides or trying to contact them etc. Some people had up to 5 spirits with them everyday, everywhere they went. I have no doubt the spiritual realm exsists.....my doubts are in the spirits people talk too, as it is possible they are not what they seem or portray themselves as. The bible says we should test the spirits and from their fruits we will know them.

OK I will shutup now.....sorry to dribble so much crap, but this subject always fascinates me.

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#16 (permalink) 06-20-2002, 06:29 PM
KronosX Old School Stoner Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 558	I think that large organized religions like Christianity give religion in general a bad name. There are religions out there that don't think that theirs is better than anyone elses or that theirs is right and others are wrong, but you have to find them with an open mind. My father is a Buddhist and he has told me quite a bit about his religion. Instead of praying to a god that has never proven his existance to you, you meditate and look within yourself to find answers. However, this religion also teaches you to accept all others regardless of what they beleive in or how they live their lives. I don't follow any religion at this point in my life, but I feel that one day when I am older I will turn to some kind of belief system and the first one on my list will definitely be Buddhism. __________________ "You can turn your back on a person, but, never turn your back on a drug. Especially when it's waving a razor-sharp hunting knife in your eye." <a href="http://xkronosx.tripod.com"></a>

#17 (permalink) 06-20-2002, 06:31 PM
cradleofganja Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 214	"In the bullshit department, a business man cannot hold a candle to a clergy man. When it comes to bullshit, big time, major league bullshit you have to stand in awe, in awe of the all time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion, no contest. Religion has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Religion has actually convinced people that there is an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, and has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do, and if you do any of these things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and anguish, where he will send you to burn and suffer and burn and scream and choke for ever and ever until the end of time ... but he loves you. To those of you who look to the Bible for its literary qualities and moral lessons, I have a couple of other stories that I'd like to recommend to you. You might enjoy the Three Little Pigs -- that's a nice one with a happy ending --Little Red Riding Hood. And I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best "and all the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no god" __________________ So many caged caged and disgraced Too many inside need to be out So many caged caged and disgraced For doing nothing but pleasing themselves Freedom is strength They want to take it too I need a place where I can do What I want to Sent away for being myself Sent away for being me I just wanted to live my own life I just wanted to live free How can you judge how another one lives? It's victimless.

#18 (permalink) 06-20-2002, 11:48 PM
Mayor_LaLa The First Lady Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 114	Religion, in the modern sense of the word, is in MHO the evil that men perpetuate (sic) on one another to keep control. I do believe in GOD, and it pretty much ends there for me. I don't trust what is written in the BIBLE because it has gone through numerous translations, from ancient languages, and I am expected to believe that it has been translated and preserved in its original context? Balderdash! I do believe that GOD expects me to live by certian rules of conduct, but I believe that those rules are an individual aspect. What I might consider bad, might not be such a bad thing in your books. I have no right to cram my belief down your throat. I was raised in a religious home. We went to church on Sunday, prayed over every meal, and were taught the "evils" of the world, one just so happened to be pot, go figure! I have a had a hard time seperating my families teachings, from what I now believe. My feelings are simply.... there is a GOD, he is a GOD that loves me, and only wants the best for me, beyond that I am neither ready nor able to comprehend more.

#20 (permalink) 06-21-2002, 03:19 AM
Merlin420 Elite "Oldschool" Smoker! Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 105	I think that there is a god,in other religons,for catholic for example,haha,what a croock. I think that god should be realize threw your own self, god is in side you. as far a other religons in the east, lets say, hinduism, the belive god is light and sound,in differernt realms. thats my opinion and facts later~ __________________ "If I got it, you got it, we got it." Members of the B.T.B <a href="http://www.1percent.com/?switch"><img src="http://img.1percent.com/picts/bann/bann100-30.gif" width="100" height="30" alt="1Percent.com Pipes and Free Music"></a>

#21 (permalink) 06-21-2002, 05:42 PM
CaptCannabis420 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 7	After alot of thinking and getting high, I've come to a belief that there is a god, and he wanted to feel something. So he drew together imense erergy which created the big bang, created the universe, and he created intelegent life so that he could live inside of us and feel things, experience eveything. He lives inside of all of us, inside of every living thing ever since life was born from micro-organisms, he lives in bactaria, viruses, frogs, humans, apes, every living thing. I not think that there is a heaven or a hell, I believe that when you die only your spirit lives on, the god inside you. I don't think I can say what happens from there, perhaps that spiritual-god part of you moves on to a new human or anamil that has been born. And you are in a sense 'reincarnated' however, you can't remember your previous life because the memories of that life are simply a decaying brain in another body under the ground. Or perhaps you become everything.. like energy? fuck i wish i knew, it bugs me not to know what the truth really is... cuz im sure im probably wrong.

#22 (permalink) 06-21-2002, 08:15 PM
Mayor_LaLa The First Lady Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 114	WHY must you know? Hey Cappy! Have a question for you in relation to your very last post. Why must you know everything? Maybe the reason there is so much religious BS is because the human mind is not capable of truely understanding GOD. Here is something from a book I have been reading: 1: Be impeciable (sic) with your word. meaning, don't use your words against other people, and don't let their words affect you in such a way, that you begin to hide your true self. 2: Don't take anything personal. meaning, stop thinking that everything is about you. If someone acts like an ASS to you, don't automatically assume that it has something to do with YOU. (this is a hard one for me to abide by, but I am working on it ) 3: Don't make assumptions. and not for the reason many people quote, lol. It means, don't assume the worse, or at least that is the way I think of it, in order to help me with the second. 4: Always do your best. and know that your best will change depending on "how" you are doing. When you are sick, you best will not be the same as when you are well, so don't beat yourself up over it. These four little, common sense statements have helped in every aspect of my life. You should check out Don Miguel Ruiz's book "The Four Agreements" if you are interested in learning more, or you can ask me, although I only just began reading the book a week ago.

#24 (permalink) 06-28-2002, 02:12 AM
Sandra Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1	Is there a God? No. Just replace God with Hope and we'll talk. Isn't what some people call God just a projection of all our fears and hopes? To be left alone with all those questions... no explanation for so many things surrounding us day by day... Those who are desperate for answers might turn to a religion for relief, but those who can simply accept that they can't explain everything don't need a religion at all, no God, nothing. Stay curious, but don't make up something like a surperior force, I'd say. Just accept, that we only remotely understand where we come from and how the universe is put together. It's just beyond our capabilities to even detect the necessary information simply because we don't know what we're looking for due to our restricted senses. Being a natural scientist myself (physical chemistry), I know that we can widen those detection limits a little by various methods, but that's it, it's really just a little. And almost everything else is based on models some guys came up with in the past. Schrödinger came up with THE fundamental equation which formed the base for quantum mechanics in the mid 20s (I think). It's not much more than E(Phi) = H (Phi). In it's simplicity as beautiful as Einstein's. But... totally theoretical. Noone has yet proved it wrong, cause you can't. It's based on theoretical assumptions and if you start questioning these assumptions you have to come up with a new model. BTW, anybody interested in Quantum Mechanics should start with the popular 'Schrödinger's cat'-situation. And/or read Douglas Addams.

#25 (permalink) 06-28-2002, 05:24 AM
Digit Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,999	k, I'm gonna jump back a huge section here When Captain cannabis wrote: This reminds me of a show called 'beyond human limits' on the discovery channel. There was one incident where a woman had to have surgery on her brain and they surgeons had to surgicaly stop the beating of her heart for 10 hours.. This made her medically 'dead' unable to create dreams, brainwaves, or hallucinations. The surgeons would then medically start the beat of the heart again, to bring her back to life. She reported during the 10 hours that she came out of her body and could see the surgeons working on her, and was able to describe the tools they had used, and actions that went on. She reported other psychodelic experienced, as if she was simply energy, she was everything and nothing. People ask well why didn't she go to heaven, or be reincarnated, or watever.. why was she not going anywhere, just sort of 'hanging around'. My theory is very simple, because that was not destined to happen. The universe new her fate, doctors would ellectically re-start the heart. So she stayed there, hovering above her body, as she awaited her 'shell' to be brought back to life. Anyways, thats my theory on the whole post-death experience. Did anyone else see this show? I hope this stuff didn't sound to deep and twisted, I thought this all up when i was stoned. ---that hypothosys really got me a bit itchy fingered... so get ready for a keyboard bashing! despite the question like tone, this was writen by someone who asumes the existance of god, or at the very least an afterlife. my hypothosys is differant. if there is no possable way of there being any brain activity in the patient, we can look around for other sources of power to transport this information about. And asuming the brainfunctions of the patient we'rent just floating about above the opperation, we could asume that the energy provided by all those present in the room (doctors & nurses) was enough to somehow acheive this. stranger things have been accomplished both in meditation and out. why did the "spirit" not float away, check out whats going on in the other rooms? because the doctors & nurses whom the patients energies were tied to didn't move. My second hypothosis is somewhat similar to that of a "god beleiver's" the patient was capable of sharing energies outside his/her body. This is somethign every human can do. some of us learn to do this at lower levels during meditation and other practices, but as the patient nedded absolutely no energy to run either brain or body, it seemed like the whole consiousness trancended from the body, either into the air and other non living matter or into the surrounding people (back to something like my first hypothosis). from this i have drawn a third theory... trans dimensional mind travel (if you have ever studied Dr Hofmans -(and various other specialists in this area)- work or experienced an LSD trip in an isolation tank you may have some knowledge on this and similar theories). If we conclude (from various scientific theorys, of which chaos being the major) that there are an infinate number of dimensions, then within that infinity there has to be (by the very nature of true infinity) a dimension where the patient was floating in that position in air and perhaps also being opperated upon on the opperating table! Sorry if it sounds like i'm putting a scientific theory to things other people simply like to label as spiritual... but... that's what i'm doing. to simply call it spiritual is but ony ONE step beyond saying it's either god's work or the devil! Digit ps, i shal now continue to read the rest of this very interesting thread. pps Phunkyphil seems to have a good grasp of logic and (from what i've read so far) seems right on the money!

#26 (permalink) 06-28-2002, 06:29 AM
Digit Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,999	i think one day i'll turn into some kinda taoist hybrid.

#28 (permalink) 07-01-2002, 02:10 AM
Digit Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,999	yeah man. why do we have the socket (but obviously no hole in our skulls) and all the brain connectors for a third eye? and why doesn't it connect to an eye? its cause this is the tool in which we impliment our only TWO WAY sence. yup u all heard me. our "sixth sence" is directly related to that part of our brain and works both ways. we can take information in and we can put information out. but it isn't so much like that. if what i have just described could be called a DC power source (that can be reversed), it really functions as an AC power... not really flowing in any dirrection but just being there.

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#30 (permalink) 07-02-2002, 07:50 AM
mulli_melli Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 180	Outta body experiences I worked with this lady who had mastered the art of astral travel. She used to live in Germany and attend parties etc in Australia. I met another lady when I was grape picking downsouth, and she used also travel outta her body and talk to her 'guide' who would explain all sorts of things to her. She was a very strange lady. She did spiritual healing on me once, cause I was going through a emotional rough patch. She told me about all my past lives and how I'd been emotionally hurt alot of times and I was carrying it around with me from life to life. As I said she was a out there sort of person! I also have a close friend who taught herself to leave her body. Once she was out, she met a Indian 'guide' who taught her how to move about. She said it was really hard to steer herself. She went down to the local primary school a few blocks from her house and came across this group of people who seemed to be having some kind of meeting. She said they looked kinda pissed that she was running a muck all over the joint. Lots of werid stories out there, just have to come across such people. But one thing they all mentioned was that it wasn't to be messed with, that there are bad things out there, evil things. For example the lady who used to live in Germany, said she normally went straight out the window and across. BUT one time she went straight up and hit this huge spider web, she got tangled, the more she moved the more tangled she became. She said it scared the hell out of her. The stange grape picking lady said a spirit jumped into her body while she was out, but when she returned her spirit pushed the other out as it was her body and she had more rights to it. Fuck that.... My friend with the Indian guide said she saw this old lady pushing a shopping trolly full of junk along the side walk, when she got closer, the old lady turned her head and it wasn't human but a monster looking thing, ugly as hell. It scared her and she never travelled again. So my conclusion is to give the whole astral travel, outta body experiences a BIG miss. It is obviuosly possible, but a world or dimension we don't know alot about. Whose to say these 'guides' people meet are as evil as the old women. Bad spirits out to delude you. You never know...I guess. I noticed at the site www.Beliefnet.com that Amanita told us about, was full of stories where people had met there guides or trying to contact them etc. Some people had up to 5 spirits with them everyday, everywhere they went. I have no doubt the spiritual realm exsists.....my doubts are in the spirits people talk too, as it is possible they are not what they seem or portray themselves as. The bible says we should test the spirits and from their fruits we will know them. OK I will shutup now.....sorry to dribble so much crap, but this subject always fascinates me.