Christian Toker and the Mission Field I work in

[with_his_author]

My name is Michael and I am a THC-MINISTER. I use cannabis to reach those who the church has not tried to reach. Pot heads. I am a very active minister reaching out in area's of the internet, movies, church's, family, friends, and strangers. Most of my friends smoke cannabis and a lot of my friends are not followers of Christ yet. I say "yet" because most have made progress with accepting the truth. As I understand it you were looking for scripture proof. These verses I put in order that relate to me a Minister of Jesus Christ using cannabis:

1) GOD GAVE IT TO US

Genesis 1:29

Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

Cannabis can and is eaten everyday, but the world has taught that it's bad even called it Devils weed.

Matthew 15:13

He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots.

God made Cannabis if it was Devils weed then it wouldn't exsist. Look at what people want you to think about a creation from God. Devils weed that really makes me mad when I hear people call it that.

Romans 14:16

Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.

God called it good so we all should stand against the people that call cannabis bad, evil, etc.

2) IT ISN'T UNCLEAN

Matthew 15:17-18

"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.'

The same can be said about smoke. It enters the lungs stays for how ever long you hold your breath then it comes right out. Usally following is a cough but that's just because you held it in to long or you got some really good stuff.

Acts 10:14-15

"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Peter thought that certain animals were unclean because that is what he was taught. But God called cannabis good and it doesn't stay in the body so it is clean.

3) THE BODY DIES

1 Corinthians 15:50

I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

We live in a vessel or a seed how every you view your body. Once it dies the body is put in the ground and like a seed we take our true form.

Romans 12:1

Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual act of worship.

I use cannabis in a religious way. I minister to people that smoke cannabis. Anyone can walk up to a cannabis smoker and say "hey can I get a hit." I have never been told no, so we can use that chance to talk to people about God and Cannabis. By trying to give then two free gifts, one) THC-Ministry info. two) eternal life through Jesus Christ. We are doing a spiritual act of worship.

1 Corinthians 6:19

Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

We Christians are not our own. We were bought by the saving grace of Jesus Christ and the sacrifice he paid for our sins past, present, and future. All one has to do is have faith that Jesus is who he said he is and love everyone. Very simple, but of course very hard at the same time. We are to use the things he gives us like cannabis and use it for the better good. Either helping out someone with MS or any other illness or by talking to the cannabis user and showing him/her that it's ok and the guilt that the world has put on them for useing it is whats wrong. Of course you'd say that everything in moderation (don't abuse) it or it could be taken away by your conscience showing you that your abusing it.

4) WHAT DO YOU PREACH

Philippians 1:18

But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Some preachers in the churchs have false motives but like the verse says at least the word is being taught. The same can be said about a Christian THC-MINISTER we have motives to correct what needs to be corrected but we are always to preach about Salvation through Jesus Christ doing so the Christian world should leave us alone but of course they don't so we cannabis ministers have to make up long documents like this one.

Acts 5:39

But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."

Since I believe we are from God this Ministry we will not be stopped. Thats a fact. I've been on five different Christian web sites and have had five same conclusions no one can stop the christian THC-MINISTRY because we speak the truth straight out of the Bible. Attitudes will be changed and the time is now to change them.

1 John 2:27

As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.

What was in the annointing oil? Thats right CANNABIS. Anyways Christ is our teacher. Abide in him and he will give you all the answers just as he has given me all the scriptures and the way to use them. Faith in Jesus because he can do anything.

5) I'M THE SAME PERSON

1 Corinthians 7:17

Nevertheless, each one should retain the place in life that the Lord assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches.

I was a Christian when I started to smoke cannabis. I was called to the cannabis mission field because that is where God has called me to work in. People go to church and here a sermon, they want to change there whole life but thats not what we should be doing. We have a chance to witness to those not in the church so do the people that want to change and give up everything they use but they don't see that. They think they have to get involved in a church to make a difference.

Luke 15:7

I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

In the church most are saved or in a non growing life style the pastors should help them grow but in most cases they don't. We have a chance to make a party in heaven by witnessing to people we come in contact with. Cannabis and Tattoo's are two of the easiest way to start a conversation about God/Jesus and that persons beliefs. Both are mostly condemned for have one or useing one. The Christian world needs to wake up and use the tools that are around them.

6) TOOLS

Genesis 3:18

It will produce thorns and weeds for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.

It doesn't say what to do with the thorns and weeds. Some in the past have used thorns for sowing needles, weapons, etc so the weeds can be use as a tool as well. Rope, paper, clothing, ministry tool, etc. What better tool to use give life through Jesus Christ, Give info on legal use through religion, and get stoned. Three birds one stoner.

7) MAN MADE RULES

Colossians 2:20-23

Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

If we are alive through Jesus Christ those rules about not useing cannabis do not apply because they are man made. Using cannabis or not using cannabis doesn't stop the evil thought that pop up in your head. So when some one says you shouldn't, ask why? When they say it gives you bad thought like what REEFER MADNESS said about cannabis users tell them how do you know you don't have any faith to try something God made.

Matthew 15:3

Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?

By judging people that use cannabis they are making themselfs the judge and we are not to do that. They want to follow there traditions even if they are out of date.

8) THANKFULNESS

1 Timothy 4:4-5

For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

Not only is cannabis ok because God made it clean and called it good it's ok because most everyone that uses it is thankful for it. So what the church is teaching about cannabis and it's use is wrong.

Romans 14:6

He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

We are thankful to God for making cannabis. We use it for religious purposes. Other don't use it for the same reason. Tell the person that is abstaining from cannabis good job for doing that for the Lord but let them know you are doing the opposite for the same reason.

9) MY OWN ACTIONS

Galatians 6:4

Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else,

Simple enough, look over your life see what your doing and ask God if it's ok. If your doing what God wants you to do be happy and don't let others bring you down because of there own convictions. Most people that don't use cannabis think there better then the user but they are blind and not honest with themselves because they have to attack others to make themselves feel better.

Romans 14:4

Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

If you are a Chrsitian who is our master? We are servants to God. He has given us everything we need to do the work he has planned for us so if someone confronts you about cannabis tell them your a Christian and they shouldn't be judging you because they are not your master Jesus Christ is.

1 Corinthians 2:11

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

People keep telling me that I can't be worshiping God when I smoke so I show them this verse. Then I let them know the my thought about them and ask did you know I felt that way. When they say no, I say but you can tell what I think when I smoke. I also tell them that if God put me in this field why are they trying to take me out of it. God has a plan for yours and my life once we know what it is take that leap of faith and get the job done.

10) THEIR OPINION

1 Corinthians 4:5

Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.

Most people have their minds made up about cannabis. I show them this they still don't change there mind or attitude but at least they know the truth.

Colossians 2:16

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Again people judge cannabis users way to much. That is what I am trying to put a stop to.

John 8:10-11

Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

Jesus didn't condemn a lady caught in the act of sinful nature so if Jesus didn't even condemn someone for doing that why do people think they can condemn those who use cannabis which isn't even part of the sinful nature. It's because they were taught wrong. We have to show people they were taught wrong and the Bible shows the truth all one has to do is look through it.

11) MY PURPOSE

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

God made the Bible to help us not for it to be used against us. I use the Bible to correct those mislead. I ask that everyone go to a Bible believing web site and post these facts out of the Bible and see how screwed up people are when it comes to the cannabis topic. Most will talk all about it as if they were an expert but when you ask if they have ever tried it most will say no. They only preach what they have been taught so we need to correct there mislead minds.

Thank you for taking the time to read my long letter I hope this will help someone. God Bless you and the plant you use.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

[Orion26]

no, thank you

[el-producto]

You Too Author. I Smoke And Im Somewhat Religious

[IGotTheCottons]

Ok... I'm sorry to be so frank about this... But you're an idiot if you think any one of those verses backs up smoking weed for recreational use. Note: I did not say it wasn't acceptable for medicinal purposes... But only if the person is strictly using it for medicine... Not just to get wrecked.

What about Ephesians 5:18 "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;"

That word "filled" in the Greek gives a strong picture of being totally controlled by the Spirit. We're not to be drunk with wine because that diminishes the Spirit's control over us. If God doesn't want us getting drunk, what makes you think it's acceptable in His eyes for us to get stoned?

Also, What about our bodies being the temples of the Holy Spirit? Smoking anything defiles your body due to the damage it causes to your lungs.

I'm not going to take the time to go through all the verses you use that supposedly prove smoking weed is an act of worship because I don't have the time. You really need to check yourself though. The Bible makes it clear that if we're going to teach the Bible, we're going to be held at a higher level of accountability, and be judged more strictly than those who don't.

My point is: Make sure you know what you're talking about before you go around spreading lies like this.

Originally Posted by with_his_author

Acts 5:39

But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."

Since I believe we are from God this Ministry we will not be stopped. Thats a fact.

Yeah... Notice it says "IF it is from God." I highly doubt God would back a ministry that directly contradicts His Word, such as yours does. Your ministry, my friend, is not of God. And if you have a problem with me saying that - to bad. I, myself, am a Christian, and I know my Bible. If you want to argue with me, that's fine... But I'm telling you now, the Bible in no way endorses smoking weed for pleasure/recreation (medicinal would be a different story).

[with_his_author]

Originally Posted by IGotTheCottons

But you're an idiot if you think any one of those verses backs up smoking weed for recreational use.

Well Frankly I'm glad you started this debate because as I wrote before this ministry will not be stopped and this will be the proof. So frankly thanks for helping me prove my point.

Originally Posted by IGotCottons

What about Ephesians 5:18 "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;"

This was not the best verse to try and prove me wrong. It is easily dismissed when I use this verse:

Proverbs 31:6-7

Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish let them drink and for get their misery no more.

The Bible tells people to give wine and beer away. So the Bible says drinking is ok but being a drunkard is not ok. Every pot head knows that they have to smoke a whole lot in order to be truly uncontroled. So just as drinking is ok in moderation smoking is ok in moderation. I personaly have never been not in control while I smoke. In fact all my friends have never been out of their control, I think a person would have to be pretty weak minded if they couldn't control themselves on cannabis.

Originally Posted by IGotCotton

We're not to be drunk with wine because that diminishes the Spirit's control over us.

We are not talking about wine we are talking about cannabis but for some reason people like yourself seem to clump the two together. WHY? Two totaly different experiences but if clumping the two together will help you prove a point I'll let you do it.

Originally Posted by IGotCotton

If God doesn't want us getting drunk, what makes you think it's acceptable in His eyes for us to get stoned?

Simple, I'm not drunk when I smoke. Not to mention just because God doesn't want us to be drunk doesn't mean he doesn't want us to sample. I've proven that difference by posting the Prov. scripture. Drinking doesn't mean drunk, smoking doesn't mean uncontroled.

Originally Posted by IGotCotton

Also, What about our bodies being the temples of the Holy Spirit?

I love when you people try this one. Help prove my point, get up walk out side. By stepping out side you just damaged your body. The air out side is not healthy for humans to breath because why? Car, Factories, Jets, ETC. Do me another favor, walk to your frifge and get a staek out. If you eat that steak it is damaging your body cause why? Red Meat. Thats not healthy for you. Do me another favor go to your microwave and heat something up. Thats not heathly. It's proven to be unheathly because of the radio waves. So no matter what you do your body is being damaged. But those are ok to you, WHY? Of course I already covered that:

Originally Posted by with_his_author

3) THE BODY DIES

1 Corinthians 15:50

I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

We live in a vessel or a seed how every you view your body. Once it dies the body is put in the ground and like a seed we take our true form.

Originally Posted by IGotCotton

Smoking anything defiles your body due to the damage it causes to your lungs.

I've already covered that topic, I just wanted to post that again to reillustrate
my point. Everything hurts the body why be picky and single out cannabis.

Originally Posted by IGotCotton

The Bible makes it clear that if we're going to teach the Bible, we're going to be held at a higher level of accountability, and be judged more strictly than those who don't.

I am fully awar of that. Thats why I never stray from preaching Jesus Christ. Notice I already talked about that aswell:

Originally Posted by with_his_author

4) WHAT DO YOU PREACH

Philippians 1:18

But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Some preachers in the churchs have false motives but like the verse says at least the word is being taught. The same can be said about a Christian THC-MINISTER we have motives to correct what needs to be corrected but we are always to preach about Salvation through Jesus Christ doing so the Christian world should leave us alone but of course they don't so we cannabis ministers have to make up long documents like this one.

Acts 5:39

But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."

Since I believe we are from God this Ministry we will not be stopped. Thats a fact. I've been on five different Christian web sites and have had five same conclusions no one can stop the christian THC-MINISTRY because we speak the truth straight out of the Bible. Attitudes will be changed and the time is now to change them.

1 John 2:27

As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.

What was in the annointing oil? Thats right CANNABIS. Anyways Christ is our teacher. Abide in him and he will give you all the answers just as he has given me all the scriptures and the way to use them. Faith in Jesus because he can do anything.

I guess you didn't have enough time to read my post since you didn't have the time to post about all my scripture. Oh well your loss, of the debate that is.

Originally Posted by IGotCotton

My point is: Make sure you know what you're talking about before you go around spreading lies like this.

So what lies, I haven't been stopped by you. I guess that just proves my point, huh.

Originally Posted by IGotCotton

Your ministry, my friend, is not of God.

I beg to differ, I spread the good news, I encourage people, I help people, I teach people, etc. Just because I use cannabis as a tool for my ministry you feel it's not from God. Who do you think made cannabis? If God made it why wouldn't he want us to enjoy it. Here let me bring up a Bible quote to prove that point:

1 Timothy 6:17

....but put your hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment.

Originally Posted by IGotCotton

And if you have a problem with me saying that - to bad. I, myself, am a Christian, and I know my Bible.

Not well enough I guess. Study up, look into it yourself, God will show you the answer.

Originally Posted by IGotCotton

If you want to argue with me, that's fine...

SWEET!!!

Originally Posted by IGotCotton

But I'm telling you now, the Bible in no way endorses smoking weed for pleasure/recreation

I believe I've proven you wrong on that topic. Just one last thing:

Originally Posted by with_his_author

Colossians 2:20-23

Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

Read that very carefully it proves everything you said to be wrong.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

[IGotTheCottons]

I had most of my response to your "argument" typed and my computer wigged out and I lost it... I'm not exactly having a good day today, so due to this I'll post a reply when my temper is a little less fuming (having some issues with one of my parental units, and it's getting quite annoying)... Anywayz, Nothing you have posted proves that weed is condoned in scripture. I'm sorry man, but you don't know what you're talking about - and I'll prove it when I cool off a little.

[with_his_author]

I will start off by saying "Everyone is convicted differently" some may feel no guilt for smoking cannabis as I do. Some may feel guilty for smoking. It's not my place to say it's ok in your life. It is my place to stand up and help those that don't feel the guilt.

Gen 1:12

The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

So God made all plants including cannabis and called them all good.

That being said:

Rom 14:16

Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.

I have already proven by scripture that God called all plants including cannabis good. The verse above should stop you dead in your tracks because God considers cannabis good. But we aren't just talking about the plant you wanted proof of using it. Since most smoke it and that seems to be your concern (health issues) I'll then deal with the health issues.

1 Cor. 15:50

I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

What does that mean. It means at least to me the body dies and will not be with us in heaven. We know that our body dies and we know that pretty much everything we eat and drink kills or hurts the body. So my question is do you have the same feeling about sugar that you do about cannabis? It's the same thing isn't it, a plant going in the body causing harm. So why aren't you trying to fight the obviouse problem with america's sugar addiction. If you feel using cannabis is wrong and want to fight over it being wrong maybe you shouldn't use it. In fact:

Rom 14:14

....But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.

To me it sound like you feel cannabis is unclean or wrong. So maybe you should stop cause if you truly feel it's wrong then it's wrong. Those like myself don't feel it's wrong and we shouldn't be called thing like "False Prpohet" cause we don't see them, feel them as wrong.

Enough with my ranting. I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to say.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ and Cannabis

[IGotTheCottons]

Originally Posted by with_his_author

Well Frankly I'm glad you started this debate because as I wrote before this ministry will not be stopped and this will be the proof. So frankly thanks for helping me prove my point.

I didn't help prove anything but that you're taking scripture out of context. Firstly when it's talking about no one being able to stop the apostles, that was their ministry. No one would be able to stop the ministry of the apostles if it was truly from God. And so far, no one has. The Gospel is still being spread around the world, so this passage remains true. Even after the apostles are long gone, their ministry still lives on. If something (and God forbid) were to happen to you and you ended up dead... Your ministry would not still be going 2,000 years from now. It'd end with you (maybe go on a few years, but it'd stop eventually).

God would never back a ministry that contradicts His Word, which yours does. I'll give examples a little later.

Originally Posted by with_his_author

This was not the best verse to try and prove me wrong. It is easily dismissed when I use this verse:

Proverbs 31:6-7

Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish let them drink and for get their misery no more.

The Bible tells people to give wine and beer away. So the Bible says drinking is ok but being a drunkard is not ok. Every pot head knows that they have to smoke a whole lot in order to be truly uncontroled. So just as drinking is ok in moderation smoking is ok in moderation. I personaly have never been not in control while I smoke. In fact all my friends have never been out of their control, I think a person would have to be pretty weak minded if they couldn't control themselves on cannabis.

Wow. Guess what dude... You have just proven the Bible to contradict - thus making the entire Christian religion a hoax. If God says it's ok to drink (in moderation - so long as you're not getting drunk) in that passage, and He says: "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." in Proverbs 20:1, then we are now without a foundation for our beliefs, because a perfect God can't create an imperfect book. The problem must be that you misinterpreted Proverbs 31:6, 7.

When the Bible says: "Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish let them drink and for get their misery no more." it's talking about giving it to people for MEDICINAL purposes. Why do you think they are perishing and in anguish? You see, back in those times the water was very unclean - often causing gastro-intestinal diseases, and they'd add concentrated grape syrup to the water to ease the pain of these diseases. They'd also (sometimes) put alcohol into the water to clean the water of the things that were making them sick. This "alcoholic" water was so diluted it'd be nearly impossible to get drunk from it. So, you see, you're very wrong on this point.

Originally Posted by with_his_author

We are not talking about wine we are talking about cannabis but for some reason people like yourself seem to clump the two together. WHY? Two totaly different experiences but if clumping the two together will help you prove a point I'll let you do it.

Simple, I'm not drunk when I smoke. Not to mention just because God doesn't want us to be drunk doesn't mean he doesn't want us to sample. I've proven that difference by posting the Prov. scripture. Drinking doesn't mean drunk, smoking doesn't mean uncontroled.

Anything that takes away from the Spirit's control is a sin. You don't have to lose control of your high in order to take away from the Spirit's control over you. While you're under the influence of any drug (whether it be weed, alcohol, or heroin), that drug has a limited amount of control over your body (some more than others). Due to this, you are taking away from the control the Holy Spirit has over you (because we're to be totally yielded to Him and His will)... This is sin. You've proven nothing by posting that Proverbs verse as I have shown how that Proverbs verse is totally irrelavant, and if it was meant like you said it was, then the Bible now contradicts itself.

Originally Posted by with_his_author

I love when you people try this one. Help prove my point, get up walk out side. By stepping out side you just damaged your body. The air out side is not healthy for humans to breath because why? Car, Factories, Jets, ETC. Do me another favor, walk to your frifge and get a staek out. If you eat that steak it is damaging your body cause why? Red Meat. Thats not healthy for you. Do me another favor go to your microwave and heat something up. Thats not heathly. It's proven to be unheathly because of the radio waves. So no matter what you do your body is being damaged. But those are ok to you, WHY? Of course I already covered that:

I've already covered that topic, I just wanted to post that again to reillustrate my point. Everything hurts the body why be picky and single out cannabis.

Yes, but again... You're ducking and doging. You have to breathe in the air to survive - you have no choice about this. Red meat is not that bad for you unless you're don't take care of yourself. Again, meat was given by God for us to eat (you even posted a verse backing this up). It provides nutrition that we need to live (ever hear of protein?). The only way it's bad for you is if you have certain medical conditions - or you don't take care of yourself and let it kill you from a heart-attack.

Smoking weed, on the other hand, is optional. You are intentionally putting an unnecessary substance into your body that is causing significant harm. Can you tell me how weed is necessary to survive?

Originally Posted by with_his_author

I guess you didn't have enough time to read my post since you didn't have the time to post about all my scripture. Oh well your loss, of the debate that is.

Actually, I did read your post. I just don't have time to go and respond to every single thing you posted that was wrong (I'd be here all day).

Originally Posted by with_his_author

So what lies, I haven't been stopped by you. I guess that just proves my point, huh.

I think I showed how you were wrong on quite a few instances... You're just blind.

Originally Posted by with_his_author

I beg to differ, I spread the good news, I encourage people, I help people, I teach people, etc. Just because I use cannabis as a tool for my ministry you feel it's not from God. Who do you think made cannabis? If God made it why wouldn't he want us to enjoy it. Here let me bring up a Bible quote to prove that point:

1 Timothy 6:17

....but put your hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment.

You encourage people to do things that the Bible clearly show are sin, you help people how? By encouraging them to go against God's word? You teach people lies by taking scripture out of context and using it to fit your lifestyle. I'm not perfect, but I admit when I do something that's wrong. I don't take scripture and twist it to make me feel better about my sin. I recognize my short-comings for what they are and try to make improvements where I can...

Now... On too part 2...

Originally Posted by with_his_author

I will start off by saying "Everyone is convicted differently" some may feel no guilt for smoking cannabis as I do. Some may feel guilty for smoking. It's not my place to say it's ok in your life. It is my place to stand up and help those that don't feel the guilt.

Yes, everyone is convicted differently. This argument can't be used on something the Bible makes clear is wrong though. Like drinking for example... you can't just throw out an excuse like "I don't feel convicted about drinking" when the Bible says "Wine is a mocker, and strong drink is raging."

Originally Posted by with_his_author

Gen 1:12

The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

So God made all plants including cannabis and called them all good.

Yes, everything was good BEFORE the fall. AFTER the fall, some things have changed, and some things have become not good. God created poisonous mushrooms too... Should we go and enjoy them as well? Even though our end result will most likely be death? God created poison nightshade too (all plants, right?), does that mean we should go throw a bunch of their berries in our pie? Not exactly. Just because God creates something, doesn't mean He intended for us to eat/smoke it.

Originally Posted by with_his_author

That being said:

Rom 14:16

Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.

I have already proven by scripture that God called all plants including cannabis good. The verse above should stop you dead in your tracks because God considers cannabis good.

Again, taking a verse out of context. Why don't you go ahead to verse 21 and use that in your argument? It says: "It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak." Oh wait... You can't use that, because your life puts a stumbling stone in front of other Christians.

Say you lead someone to Christ. You then go and tell them that smoking weed isn't that bad because God created weed. This person may now end up getting into heavier drugs because like you said, God created ALL things for our enjoyement, right? So I guess that includes heroin, crack, meth, and so on? So if weed's not that bad to this new Christian, the others must not be either. So what if this new Christian becomes a heroin addict because you told him all things are there for his enjoyement? What if he ends up on the streets because he ended up becoming an alcoholic and blew all his money on the bottle? Stuff like this happens all the time... This isn't a hypothetical situation. Your ministry causes other brethren to stumble, and therefore is not of God.

Originally Posted by with_his_author

But we aren't just talking about the plant you wanted proof of using it. Since most smoke it and that seems to be your concern (health issues) I'll then deal with the health issues.

1 Cor. 15:50

I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

1 Cor. 15:50??? There is no such verse. I've heard that verse before but I don't know the reference off the top of my head. When you give the correct reference, I'll respond to this.

Originally Posted by with_his_author

What does that mean. It means at least to me the body dies and will not be with us in heaven. We know that our body dies and we know that pretty much everything we eat and drink kills or hurts the body. So my question is do you have the same feeling about sugar that you do about cannabis? It's the same thing isn't it, a plant going in the body causing harm. So why aren't you trying to fight the obviouse problem with america's sugar addiction.

First off I want to say the only reason I got into this debate was to show to others that you are giving out wrong information. Is sugar bad for you? Depends on the type of sugar. Processed sugar = bad. Natural sugar = necessary for you to live.

Unfortunately we can't control what the food industries put in our food, but you can eat foods that are healthy for you (which I try my best to do), but for the most part - super-market food has a lot of bad stuff in it. My point is this: We still have to eat to survive. Remember... Moderation is the key.

Originally Posted by with_his_author

If you feel using cannabis is wrong and want to fight over it being wrong maybe you shouldn't use it. In fact:

Rom 14:14

....But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.

I've never had a problem admitting that what I do is wrong... I sin when I smoke pot. I admit it's sin though. I don't try to cover that by twisting scripture around. I'm not perfect, and neither are you. I don't plan on smoking weed forever, and have drastically cut down from what I used to smoke. I'm making forward progress, and that's what's important.

Also, your verse is and isn't referring to what you're saying. I get the indication that you're trying to use it in the sense of "I don't regard it as unclean, so it's not." I posted my comments on that earlier. This is mainly for personal standards (ie, some people don't watch TV because it brings them down spiritually, some people don't do this or that...). In every case it's something that's not bad Biblically, but to the person finds that it helps them spiritually to keep a higher standard. Remember... Christians are supposed to be a peculiar people, a people who are ABOVE reproach. We're to not be comformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of our minds that we may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God. We're to have no appearance of evil. Obviously we're going to fall short of this, but this should be our aim.

I say again. You, my friend, are a false teacher - as was prophesied nearly 2,000 years ago. It seems to me that you need to study your Bible a little more, and take it in context instead of just picking individual verses to twist around, and make fit your views.

By the way... I have studied at a very renowned Bible college - and I do know what I'm talking about. You said: "Not well enough I guess. Study up, look into it yourself, God will show you the answer." Well, I have... and my answer fits the scriptures. The easiest way to tell if something is from God is to compare it to the scriptures. You do no such thing as all the scripture you've given has been taken out of context.

I don't know who ordained you as a Reverend, but it was a mistake if your ministry teaches these outright lies.

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Originally Posted by IGotTheCottons

I didn't help prove anything but that you're taking scripture out of context. Firstly when it's talking about no one being able to stop the apostles, that was their ministry. No one would be able to stop the ministry of the apostles if it was truly from God. And so far, no one has. The Gospel is still being spread around the world, so this passage remains true. Even after the apostles are long gone, their ministry still lives on. If something (and God forbid) were to happen to you and you ended up dead... Your ministry would not still be going 2,000 years from now. It'd end with you (maybe go on a few years, but it'd stop eventually).

God would never back a ministry that contradicts His Word, which yours does. I'll give examples a little later.



Wow. Guess what dude... You have just proven the Bible to contradict - thus making the entire Christian religion a hoax. If God says it's ok to drink (in moderation - so long as you're not getting drunk) in that passage, and He says: "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." in Proverbs 20:1, then we are now without a foundation for our beliefs, because a perfect God can't create an imperfect book. The problem must be that you misinterpreted Proverbs 31:6, 7.

When the Bible says: "Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish let them drink and for get their misery no more." it's talking about giving it to people for MEDICINAL purposes. Why do you think they are perishing and in anguish? You see, back in those times the water was very unclean - often causing gastro-intestinal diseases, and they'd add concentrated grape syrup to the water to ease the pain of these diseases. They'd also (sometimes) put alcohol into the water to clean the water of the things that were making them sick. This "alcoholic" water was so diluted it'd be nearly impossible to get drunk from it. So, you see, you're very wrong on this point.



Anything that takes away from the Spirit's control is a sin. You don't have to lose control of your high in order to take away from the Spirit's control over you. While you're under the influence of any drug (whether it be weed, alcohol, or heroin), that drug has a limited amount of control over your body (some more than others). Due to this, you are taking away from the control the Holy Spirit has over you (because we're to be totally yielded to Him and His will)... This is sin. You've proven nothing by posting that Proverbs verse as I have shown how that Proverbs verse is totally irrelavant, and if it was meant like you said it was, then the Bible now contradicts itself.



Yes, but again... You're ducking and doging. You have to breathe in the air to survive - you have no choice about this. Red meat is not that bad for you unless you're don't take care of yourself. Again, meat was given by God for us to eat (you even posted a verse backing this up). It provides nutrition that we need to live (ever hear of protein?). The only way it's bad for you is if you have certain medical conditions - or you don't take care of yourself and let it kill you from a heart-attack.

Smoking weed, on the other hand, is optional. You are intentionally putting an unnecessary substance into your body that is causing significant harm. Can you tell me how weed is necessary to survive?



Actually, I did read your post. I just don't have time to go and respond to every single thing you posted that was wrong (I'd be here all day).



I think I showed how you were wrong on quite a few instances... You're just blind.



You encourage people to do things that the Bible clearly show are sin, you help people how? By encouraging them to go against God's word? You teach people lies by taking scripture out of context and using it to fit your lifestyle. I'm not perfect, but I admit when I do something that's wrong. I don't take scripture and twist it to make me feel better about my sin. I recognize my short-comings for what they are and try to make improvements where I can...

Now... On too part 2...



Yes, everyone is convicted differently. This argument can't be used on something the Bible makes clear is wrong though. Like drinking for example... you can't just throw out an excuse like "I don't feel convicted about drinking" when the Bible says "Wine is a mocker, and strong drink is raging."



Yes, everything was good BEFORE the fall. AFTER the fall, some things have changed, and some things have become not good. God created poisonous mushrooms too... Should we go and enjoy them as well? Even though our end result will most likely be death? God created poison nightshade too (all plants, right?), does that mean we should go throw a bunch of their berries in our pie? Not exactly. Just because God creates something, doesn't mean He intended for us to eat/smoke it.



Again, taking a verse out of context. Why don't you go ahead to verse 21 and use that in your argument? It says: "It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak." Oh wait... You can't use that, because your life puts a stumbling stone in front of other Christians.

Say you lead someone to Christ. You then go and tell them that smoking weed isn't that bad because God created weed. This person may now end up getting into heavier drugs because like you said, God created ALL things for our enjoyement, right? So I guess that includes heroin, crack, meth, and so on? So if weed's not that bad to this new Christian, the others must not be either. So what if this new Christian becomes a heroin addict because you told him all things are there for his enjoyement? What if he ends up on the streets because he ended up becoming an alcoholic and blew all his money on the bottle? Stuff like this happens all the time... This isn't a hypothetical situation. Your ministry causes other brethren to stumble, and therefore is not of God.



1 Cor. 15:50??? There is no such verse. I've heard that verse before but I don't know the reference off the top of my head. When you give the correct reference, I'll respond to this.



First off I want to say the only reason I got into this debate was to show to others that you are giving out wrong information. Is sugar bad for you? Depends on the type of sugar. Processed sugar = bad. Natural sugar = necessary for you to live.

Unfortunately we can't control what the food industries put in our food, but you can eat foods that are healthy for you (which I try my best to do), but for the most part - super-market food has a lot of bad stuff in it. My point is this: We still have to eat to survive. Remember... Moderation is the key.



I've never had a problem admitting that what I do is wrong... I sin when I smoke pot. I admit it's sin though. I don't try to cover that by twisting scripture around. I'm not perfect, and neither are you. I don't plan on smoking weed forever, and have drastically cut down from what I used to smoke. I'm making forward progress, and that's what's important.

Also, your verse is and isn't referring to what you're saying. I get the indication that you're trying to use it in the sense of "I don't regard it as unclean, so it's not." I posted my comments on that earlier. This is mainly for personal standards (ie, some people don't watch TV because it brings them down spiritually, some people don't do this or that...). In every case it's something that's not bad Biblically, but to the person finds that it helps them spiritually to keep a higher standard. Remember... Christians are supposed to be a peculiar people, a people who are ABOVE reproach. We're to not be comformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of our minds that we may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God. We're to have no appearance of evil. Obviously we're going to fall short of this, but this should be our aim.

I say again. You, my friend, are a false teacher - as was prophesied nearly 2,000 years ago. It seems to me that you need to study your Bible a little more, and take it in context instead of just picking individual verses to twist around, and make fit your views.

By the way... I have studied at a very renowned Bible college - and I do know what I'm talking about. You said: "Not well enough I guess. Study up, look into it yourself, God will show you the answer." Well, I have... and my answer fits the scriptures. The easiest way to tell if something is from God is to compare it to the scriptures. You do no such thing as all the scripture you've given has been taken out of context.

I don't know who ordained you as a Reverend, but it was a mistake if your ministry teaches these outright lies.

whats ur response with the aurthor???whose rite in this situation?? so i am a bad person cuz i smoke mj cuz its a sin??