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12-03-2004, 09:06 PM
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Ranting: Definition in the Dictionary of Digit
Ranting,
to Rant. to passionately ramble. Though as i age i grow increasingly despising of linguistic communication, verbal communication, label based language, words, i still use them through this medium. Powerful and Imperfect. Rendered near meaningless in their imperfection, but left so over-gunned in their power of imposed meaning, of implied meaning too? Dazed and Confused? Lost and Confused? Needy and Confused? Confused?........ ? CONFUSED? .... Confused and Confused? Confused. Without confusion we cannot be aware of our lack of understanding. understanding that we do not understand be the first step. walk this step forever somewhere in the mind so to never become of the thinking that understanding has been achieved, as there is always more to understand on the magical mystery journey of discovery. can't carry more than you can. can carry more than i have. will carry more to come, carrying plenty for now, will be carrying plenty then, was carrying plenty before. Laughter. 
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12-03-2004, 09:55 PM
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We............. WE are fucking the world up.
you either laugh, or go mad. ...... or find a way to affect change. .... or cling to hope. or smoke some dope. or doublethink yourself into blissful ignorance. or drink into oblivion. or live only moment to moment. ....or find someone to loose yourself in love with. or change your ways, in other ways, for yourself? for society? for all? ALL? We've sat past through history just past a generation, of knowing that armageddon can come knocking... yet do we all still not hear the cries of a minority of mindset, of peace and unity... we can break this false destiny of total anihilation, is the message of self determinism, of reccognition of the balance between self and society not enough? it is not. we've been contacted, so many times contacted, so connected, yet our thoughts so constricted, constricted, constricted. konztrikted. comon enemy unites the clans. an enemy of ALL is needed to unite ALL the clans. that is, asuming we wish to continue to forever doom ourselves into warriordom, only to see in the dominator mindset. Dominators fail to realise, there's ALWAYS a bigger fish. a comon CAUSE unites the clans if the cause is as great as to grant survival (ie, defeat of a foe). here's a foe: self anihilation. and imagine if the only sure way to defeat it was to destroy all the precursors, all the causes of self anihilation. how big is "self", and balanced against society? ... if only einstien had been told "psst, hey buddy, i'm from the future, i've got really important news, dont spend your last years searching for any grand unified theory of everything, you won't get it, just go into politics so you can inspire others to follow in your footsteps once the technology is advanced enough, and the society so well adjusted and advanced as to be responsable enough to yeild the powers revealed by future discoveries. C'mon abbie, dude, buddy, i'm yer mate, dont worry about the whole im from the future thing, you'll never have the means to discover the answers for 50 years if you chase the end goal now. all the pieces of the jigsaw aren't apparent for what you're trying to suss out abbie, good stab though, you really cracked them open.... now do as i say or i'll zapp you with my ray gun.... go in for politics. you're smart enough, wacky enough, free thinking enough to help push the areas humanity are lagging in forward. i'm yer mate! ... [strsky&hutchesque]Do it." to which i have no idea what his responce would be.... cross fingers eh. gah, if only eh? captain kirk style time travel. yeeehaw! if only it was ok to do that. but its not. nor will it ever be, "ok", to run riot without a care for the disturbance you create. or that others create in your name. |
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12-06-2004, 05:14 AM
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12-06-2004, 07:34 AM
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imo: society is indeed on a falling path to self destruction and i believe capitolism to be the mear cause. everything done today by people revolves around capitolism. the american dream? not the american dream..the capitolist dream. everyone striving to be rich..working mindlessly, endlessly, pointlessly producing goods to fuel our want to consume. for happyness? i dont think so call me crazy but every dollar on this planet would NOT make me happy. beauty is not found in fucking ipods or anything else manmade for that matter...beauty is life, nature, love. with these 3 factors not a single cent may cross my path for the rest of my existance and i would be completely and utterly content and not want my life any other way. of course this may be easy for me to say having already found whom truely is the love of my life. knowing i need nothing but her is the most comforting feeling anyone could ever achieve. funny thing is she feels the exact same way i feel..she even told me before i ever told her.. fate has pointed me in her direction too many times to deny fate AT ALL. i refuse to fall into societies little schematic plan they have for everyone to fall into. as should the rest of you as it would make for the best life you could ever imagine. true life.
the simple fact is- capitolism controls us controls society controls mother earth. yet no one cares because ipod has solitare. |
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12-06-2004, 08:57 PM
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 society doesn't control mother earth imo though. I think natural 'disasters' are a way of mother earth getting back at us for destroying the earth. Anyone ever study diseases? Its like the deeper you cut into the forest, the greater chance your going to unlock another disease. The more we kill the earth.. the more we suffer.
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12-09-2004, 05:38 AM
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my battle is the ideological?
my problem is........ ....i'm super hyper fucking sensitive. after a session one day a few years back, a healer once put it something like "you have alot of energy". nostradamus, mozart, einstien, brunnel, these exceptional qualities are there for us ALL. there are ways to access. i have discoveries, i have ideas, are they original? are they mine? or are they simply THE ideas, i just happened to "hear" them louder in my brain than other ideas "out there". ever have a brain echo? almost as if you have directed your thoughts toward a wall and had them bounce back only to be experienced again just as if it is your thought again? ever even considered exploring your thoughts in different ways? my battle is the ideological? my battle is to encourage thought, idea, creativity, and hopefully bring out that natural practical application. this is in accordance with greater reccognition of my heightened sensitivity to appreciate the symbiosis of "animal" & "plant", and of specific to my own form, human, and (most key) cannabis. infinity is everywhere, an absolute infinity cannot exist unless it is itself and we are part of it. foundationism... all religions, right back to the very beginning. universalism & unitarian universalism. however, since life itself shapes us and changes us, and we don't all experience the same life, we comunicate things differently, and so on and so on. subtlety can be POWERFULL. subtlety can be overlooked. the carrot and the stick. mystery is my carrot for others. my stick? i thought it was obvious... pesimistic yearning/hope. my words, but a whisper. your deafness, a shout. I may make you feel, but i can't make you think. (originally the lyrics from Jethro Tull's album Thick as a Brick) ... and then pangs the echo. are we crap at thinking? are we crap at communicating? comune icating. thinking and comunicating, in many feilds, can be considered the same thing, or if thats too much for you, part of the same thing. are we EDUCATED into stupidity and inability to think? what value does an education have if it simply tells you what to think? should not education be there to let people think for themselves? why don't we teach philosophy or thinking in our schools? because our schools don't, and seemingly CAN'T teach. only mind control of a sort. novelty. c'mon one, c'mon all, get on down with the funky rant. lol. Last edited by Digit; 12-09-2004 at 05:47 AM. |
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12-09-2004, 08:37 PM
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digit what you said about schools is true. they only teach us to find 1 answer.. thats if you study sciences and mathematics branches. If you study english for example.. you write and use your brain to find ideas and you are forced to use your creativity. We need to learn that everything doesn't have 1 answer. Not all "problems" can be solved. If there was ALWAYS right or wrong then everything would be the same, we would be like computers, or turning a switch on and off. We have to know that there is something between or even after the right or wrong. For example, when your in preschool they teach you to draw inside the lines! Why can't we draw outside? Is that where our 'conditioning' started? Everything doesn't have to be in the lines. Think outside the box. Get creative. Have fun 
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12-09-2004, 11:01 PM
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masses of people thinking outisde of the box isnt exactly the best for "society" it may be the best for mankind but not society. if we dont have masses of conformists down with 9-5 jobs 2.43 kids and re-painting their white picket fence monthly...whos gonna put solitare on my ipod? whos gonna buy the new audis? whos gonna vote bush? not that im saying all conservatives are stupid ..but they are generally stupid people ever think of some/most great ideas/art/discoveries as genius thoughts or just VERY random thoughts. everyone born with the same mind just those who get more random become smarter, knowing more, discovering more? it all lies in the imagination. |
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12-10-2004, 12:49 AM
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people thinking outside the box isn't really bad for society. I tend to think outside the box.. but that doesn't mean i won't grow up and get a job, get married and pay taxes. You could still live the 9-5 job lifestyle and still experience life. we just need to make society less corrupt.. if all of humanity wanted to work towards a good goal.. we could. But for most poeple.. life is a power struggle for them. They think money and power make them empowered, it may in the material world... but in the end, money and power fails. If you have a great high paying job, with your huge house, nice car and great family and your happy.. thats great! who am i to tell them their living wrong. But for those people you think that money and power will save them.. it most likely won't.. but if it does.. hey all the better. That may sound contradictory.. but it isn't if you can see my pov. well.. theres a rant and a half.
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12-10-2004, 01:00 AM
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12-10-2004, 01:58 AM
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I can't say i would go back to what i used to know, because now i've learned so much more. And i've also been able to experience life with all its ups and downs. I don't really remember what its like to be in that 'prison' without knowing i was in it.  but one thing i can say is that i can see true beauty in the world.. and even feel beauty although, i do see a lot of the corruption and negativety too
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It won’t take too long when you’re short of time to point out some good left about mankind. You can learn to love what you can destroy. That’s what I call sacrificing what you’ve got for freedom -Over It Try not. Do or do not, there is no try... -Yoda What is the _Matrix?_ Don't worry, be happy. If you want to be productive, be creative. We love the all the all of you. Our lands are green and skies are blue |
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12-11-2004, 12:42 AM
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wow, one of the best quotes ive ever read i love it bud
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12-11-2004, 11:36 AM
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true ideological "conservatives" (ie, right wingers) are not stupid from my experience, just a little brash and greedy. not really your "big picture" thinking types generally speaking. however it would seem from my experiences, that the majority of those who vote right wing, or align themselves with the status quo, arent actually right wing in their mindsets at all... they've just been duped by the slick multi million dollar advertising campagins, not to mention the constant conditioning and preaching of the capitalist religion through marketting and adertising.... we're born to it. the word conservative is a bit of a joke really. we're born into this society, never has it been some egalitarian paradise for anyone i know. some fear change because experiences of change somewhere in their lives yeilded negative results for them, and so they cling to the status quo, fearing change. and as ever.... its our old buddy "fear" that has us by the balls. even that saying i just used there typifies how ingrained fear is to us, so much so, that we so often cannot even concieve of how it defines us, how much it defines us. stupidity comes in all shapes and forms. i'm stupid. really stupid. un-stupid enough to realise i'm stupid though. others around me i reccognise as being even less stupid than i in relevant areas are caught in webs, thinking loops that can cause mental problems. where do these loops come from? anchors. there are points in our thoughts that are anchored. beliefs. craving for constance, holding onto the stable, fearing the uncertain.... beliefs seem so certain, and to use the modern equivalent.... the politician's use of the word "fact" is also such an anchor if someone were to really take it in and accept it without question. and many many people do. they don't have an always on firewall to question every input. it doesnt mean their stupid though, not accross the board anyways. what i'm talking about really is conclusions. but i'll stick with the word belief for now. if you have a belief, and you are presented with something that contradicts that belief, depending on how ingraned you have let that belief become, you will have to use some method of thought to "troubleshoot" the contradiction. if the belief is quite "set in stone", you'll first make the assumption (and i like assumptions alot better than beliefs) that it is the new conflicting data that is in error. you may ignore it, dismissing it almost imediately, never to even consider, because it would require to challenge a belief. its fairly safe to ignore it, your beleifs are still intact, no harm done. but to not ignore it, with an ingraned belief, could cause problems... it will mean you will have to wrestle with a contradiction, and you're unlikely to want to even give challenging your beliefs a passing thought. accepting confusion is sometimes even too much for some people who "believe" they know everything. creating a mental construct around the problem is what usually happens i think. without complete ignorance, an ever growing patern of "working things out", bumping into more contradictions and creating more pathways around.... so that as the construct of thoughts grow, the route of the increasing problems in the increasingly messy though constructs is burried deaper and deaper unless deconstruction of your thoughts occurs. If you've created all your thoughts out of belief, then this is going to be a much greater problem than if you left everything a little more "loose". granted, with a mind full of "loose" thoughts, things might fall appart more readily.... but there we go, even through my walkthrough of this, i've presented another asumption... that we even need a construct of thoughts in our mind at all. why can't we just let it all float around like soup. but then ... that really brings us to the argument of the moment. the real battle we are presented with. chaos vs order... and the balancing interplay between the two. if we are to accept (assume is true) the saying that "order creates chaos and chaos creates order", someone who let the soup flow freely around their head would be contributing more to order than those of a ordered mind. or thats one way of interpreting it. Quote:
English was (is) my worst, and Chemistry was my best. i rarely saw much encouragement or scope for use of creativity in school.... even in art. real creativity, the stuff that needs imagination, gets supplimented by industriousness/productivity in very large parts throughout all education institutions i have had the fortune/misfortune of experiencing, same is true of other peoples experiences too it would seem. "practical necessity" thats why we're told. people need money, for that, people need to get jobs, people need to be "trained" (conditioned, manipulated) into being PRODUCTIVE workers, and so thats how our education systems are slanted. wow.... just how many cultural assumptions are in that last sentence!? so little of it gets challenged, because its held as belief. we must do this, we must do that... we must conform!  how long have we been pumping this out to our kids? conform! we don't have to charging off in the diametric opposite extreme, like "be as different to everyone else as possable". pushing anyone down any road isnt really a good idea. presenting as much info as possable is about as best as any of us can do without fucking shit up like its been fucked up before we got here. i think it was some psychiatrist who came up with similar ideas about "must" mentality. it causes problems. we're not smart enough to be able to say what "must" be. didn't anyone consider "what if we're wrong?" of course they did. we just get swept under the carpet. god forbid if anyone were able to think for themselves and challenge what is for what could be. it is the self protectionism, the survival instinct.... it exists in institutions just as much as in living beings. it is almost as if the beliefs in our heads have their own survival instinct. i have no beliefs.... i've tried this approach for years now. language has sometimes lead me down the path of saying "i believe that... yada yada..", and every time i do, i spend a long time dwelling on whether i really do have a belief. anytime i find one, i do my best to uproot it. with beliefs, you cannot be open minded. you cannot be open to ALL possabilities, if you are anchored in your thoughts. that is not freedom. if you | ||
