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Old 11-04-2009, 03:14 AM
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What use are our thoughts?
What causes me to project my energy into the matter of words?

Why do we think? ALL THE TIME?

Thoughts are impermanent.
Thoughts are not who or what we are.
Try to not think for a long time, can you do it?
Experience this universe without the abstraction of thought. Thoughts are only concept-based, they can never truly grasp this reality. You will never understand no matter how much you think, only if you step away from the compulsive, spontaneous workings of your mind. If you truly focus your attention, maybe you will be able to see reality as it stands rather than how you create or perceive it to stand. Focus your mind inward and see what you can find. The Universe within us is much larger than the universe outside of us. Start exploring!!

Begin to realize and see the illusion and meaningless of thought. Words are empty, they cannot show you the truth, only point towards it. Our minds are quite the powerful tool, but only when used correctly. Rest in its potential energy, rather than slowly and surely wearing it out. Use your minds ONLY WHEN YOU GOTTA! They are running our lives rather than us running them running our lives. LOOK WITHIN and you may begin to truly see what is of you and what is of me.

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Old 11-04-2009, 05:51 AM
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Re: Thoughts

What do you mean by
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They are running our lives rather than us running them running our lives.

are you saying that we shouldnt run our lives with our mind? but rather let The Truth run our minds which run our lives? does this not already happen?
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:39 PM
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What use are our thoughts?
What causes me to project my energy into the matter of words?

Why do we think? ALL THE TIME?

Thoughts are impermanent.
Thoughts are not who or what we are.
Try to not think for a long time, can you do it?
Experience this universe without the abstraction of thought. Thoughts are only concept-based, they can never truly grasp this reality. You will never understand no matter how much you think, only if you step away from the compulsive, spontaneous workings of your mind. If you truly focus your attention, maybe you will be able to see reality as it stands rather than how you create or perceive it to stand. Focus your mind inward and see what you can find. The Universe within us is much larger than the universe outside of us. Start exploring!!

Begin to realize and see the illusion and meaningless of thought. Words are empty, they cannot show you the truth, only point towards it. Our minds are quite the powerful tool, but only when used correctly. Rest in its potential energy, rather than slowly and surely wearing it out. Use your minds ONLY WHEN YOU GOTTA! They are running our lives rather than us running them running our lives. LOOK WITHIN and you may begin to truly see what is of you and what is of me.

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Our thoughts shape our reality.
Thoughts are the mind's impulses. Thoughts , simply put is you talking to yourself. The mind talking to the 'I'. Thoughts cannot be totally terminated , but only stilled. When one manages to clear one's mind , totally blank , it still actually isn't. It can't be , since you have to be observing your blank mind to be conscious. There are many levels of observation , whether conscious or subconsciously initiated. You could just be observing. Or you could be observing your observations , or observing the way in which you observe the observation of observations , or simply just observing something with no analysis of observation within itself. All of this affects us subconsciously , as we are constantly observing ourselves , whether consciously or subconsciously done and it reflects onto us.
All thoughts could only be terminated in complete "Ego Death". This is when one is completely separated from the mind , the mind is still running but consciousness is elsewhere. And since consciousness is what perceives thoughts , your thoughts are cut off from you. It could be explained as auto pilot , I've heard of stories where it has happened in people for days. They don't even know that they're not controlling themselves , they just "do".
I disagree with only using your mind when you need to. Constantly use your mind. The more you use your mind , in the *right* way , the more adept you'll be at stilling your mind.
I tend to take a knowledge over ignorance standing on most subjects.
Ignorance may be bliss , but knowing how to induce an ignorant , blissful state rather than relying on that state constantly is true bliss.
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Re: Thoughts

when I was high one day I felt I was near to the possibility of stopping thinking
I felt similar to my idea of a character out of a story - because I am ignorant of their thought
seemed other than very stable though
perhaps we think for control
 
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Old 11-05-2009, 12:54 PM
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Re: Thoughts

All is one, one is all.

You seem like a fan of Marcus Arrelius (sp?) he didn't say what youmsaid persay but he expanded int this thought.

But I agree the power of thought and reason is pretty powerful(Logos). The idea of internal salvation always interested me but I don't think it's that easy. But anyway, this is what I often wonder to myself when I'm in class not paying attion because I'm busy thinking about: why? Ware? And what are thoughts?

"know yourself and you will be known" now if only I lived by those words.
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Re: Thoughts

The Calypsos of Bokonon remind us...

"Fish needs to swim,
Birds needs to fly,
Man's got to sit and wonder,
Why? Why? Why?

Fish need to rest,
Bird need to land,
Man's got to tell himself,
He understands."
 
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Re: Thoughts

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are you saying that we shouldnt run our lives with our mind? but rather let The Truth run our minds which run our lives? does this not already happen?

YEM are you talking about people who are a part of the 85 percent. if so there is no escaping that because you cannot undo something that happened 400 years ago

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Re: Thoughts

"The mind is everything, what you think, you become"

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Re: Thoughts

interesting post. but...

I think the problem here is that you used your mind to say that thoughts can never grasp reality, which contradicts itself. your judgement would be flawed by your own definition thus not reality based.

though i agree with your main points

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No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head. The trouble with most people, is that they think with their hopes or fears or wishes rather than with their minds.
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YEM are you talking about people who are a part of the 85 percent. if so there is no escaping that because you cannot undo something that happened 400 years ago

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85% of what? Uhhh.. what?


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are you saying that we shouldnt run our lives with our mind? but rather let The Truth run our minds which run our lives? does this not already happen?
What I was trying to say is that we let our minds control us, abuse us even. We are their control rather than their ours. We let our minds wander wander wander, getting completely absorbed and lost within the chaos going inside of them. We draw too much attention to what our thoughts are trying to say that we totally forget that we are alive even. We lose our awareness of everything outside of our thoughts. Try living beyond your mind for once, and you will see what has been hidden and rejected for so long. The beauty of being.

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"The mind is everything, what you think, you become"

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So if I think really freaking hard about becoming a rock star, I will inevitably become a rock star? Or if I want to become buddha, I would just think like him? That philosophy does not make much sense to me..

You have to apply and work hard at what you want to become, just merely thinking about it won't do diddly. And in the end, who is doing the thinking and who is doing the doing?

I just feel bad for people who have to bear witness to their minds that have grown power-hungry. Their minds are constantly talking to themselves, never truly letting go. Never glimpsing reality, never glimpsing the truth. Always clinging, always hanging on. When it comes down to it, there is never anything that requires clinging. It is only our preconception that we must cling on to something in order to be happy that makes us cling. It's a sad thing.
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